Re: Problems registering with SUSEConnect

2017-02-16 Thread Christer Solskogen
Both "read_vaule -s" and "read_value -c" gives return_code=-2. This is
running on zVM 6.2 on a zEC12.
return_value -V gives
Version 1.0 2015-10-12 13:31.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Mark Post  wrote:

> >>> On 2/16/2017 at 08:17 AM, Christer Solskogen <
> christer.solsko...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Any by node name, you mean hostname?
> > I still get it with a hostname that is only six characters long :/
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Waite, Dick (External) <
> > dick.wa...@softwareag.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Grand Day,
> >> It's a known issue. I expect your node name is 8 chars long. There is a
> >> fix, sorry I'm in the wilds at the moment. As a work-a-round us a 7
> byte or
> >> less node name.
> >> __R
>
> Dick didn't have it quite right.  The trigger he's remembering is anything
> less than 8 characters (not 7) in the z/VM guest name (not Linux host name)
> will trigger a bug.  I'm not convinced that's the same bug as you're
> seeing.  The bug he's referring to was getting a "-3" return code from
> "read_values -s", and you're getting a "-2" from "read_values -c".  What
> type of processor is this running on?  A z13, or z13s?  Also, what does
> "read_values -V" return?
>
>
> Mark Post
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Re: Oracle under z/VM without Linux?

2017-02-16 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 02/16/2017 at 07:58 GMT, Douglas Wooster  
wrote:
> And for extra credit, you could run the z/VM on Hercules on an x86 box 
:)

Only if the x86 were Mantissa on CMS or BOCHS on Linux on your z machine. 
Darn those annoying license agreements! :-)

Alan Altmark

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IBM Systems & Technology Group
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Re: kimche on s390x

2017-02-16 Thread Neale Ferguson
Kimchi is a noarch package now part of ClefOS EPEL7. It is also available
for Fedora 24/25.

On 2/16/17, 4:36 PM, "Linux on 390 Port on behalf of David Boyes"
 wrote:

>> I do not know if Kimchi can be deployed onto Ubuntu for s390x
>
>> http://kimchi-project.github.io/kimchi/ it looks kind of cool.
>
>If you build from source, it seems to work (they don't know what s390x
>is, so no packages). I'd probably agree with Rick, though -- you end up
>ignoring most of the good stuff in the hardware if you only run
>Linux-based virtualization management tools. Learning z/VM isn't that
>hard, even for the millennials, once you get past the "why?" stage.

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kimche on s390x

2017-02-16 Thread David Boyes
> I do not know if Kimchi can be deployed onto Ubuntu for s390x

> http://kimchi-project.github.io/kimchi/ it looks kind of cool.

If you build from source, it seems to work (they don't know what s390x is, so 
no packages). I'd probably agree with Rick, though -- you end up ignoring most 
of the good stuff in the hardware if you only run Linux-based virtualization 
management tools. Learning z/VM isn't that hard, even for the millennials, once 
you get past the "why?" stage.

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Re: Problems registering with SUSEConnect

2017-02-16 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 2/16/2017 at 08:17 AM, Christer Solskogen 
wrote: 
> Any by node name, you mean hostname?
> I still get it with a hostname that is only six characters long :/
> 
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Waite, Dick (External) <
> dick.wa...@softwareag.com> wrote:
> 
>> Grand Day,
>> It's a known issue. I expect your node name is 8 chars long. There is a
>> fix, sorry I'm in the wilds at the moment. As a work-a-round us a 7 byte or
>> less node name.
>> __R

Dick didn't have it quite right.  The trigger he's remembering is anything less 
than 8 characters (not 7) in the z/VM guest name (not Linux host name) will 
trigger a bug.  I'm not convinced that's the same bug as you're seeing.  The 
bug he's referring to was getting a "-3" return code from "read_values -s", and 
you're getting a "-2" from "read_values -c".  What type of processor is this 
running on?  A z13, or z13s?  Also, what does "read_values -V" return?


Mark Post

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Re: Oracle under z/VM without Linux?

2017-02-16 Thread Paul Flint

Dear Doug,

But not on VM370...

https://hub.docker.com/r/flintiii/vm370/

Regards,

Flint

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017, Douglas Wooster wrote:


Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 14:58:07 -0500
From: Douglas Wooster 
Reply-To: Linux on 390 Port 
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Oracle under z/VM without Linux?

And for extra credit, you could run the z/VM on Hercules on an x86 box :)

Douglas

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Troth
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:11 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Oracle under z/VM without Linux?

On 02/16/2017 07:46 AM, Paul Flint wrote:

I am going out on a limb here and suggesting that Mantissa somehow
compiled something like ReactOS?


Mantissa figured out a way to run X86 (32-bit and 64-bit) binaries and
operating systems on top of z/VM. (ReactOS, Windows, Linux, *BSD, anything)

Looks pretty slick. Based on what they've leaked on this and other email
lists, they leverage CP services and functions to optimize the
capabilities of the underlying z hardware. They've been wowing people at
SHARE and other conferences for at least the past 5 years. I have not
heard if they actually released a salable product or if anyone has
purchased, trialed, or beta tested.

A somewhat slower performer would be to port BOCHS to CMS and run your
Windoze systems on that.

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Re: Oracle on VM

2017-02-16 Thread Paul Flint

Dear David,

Still, you gotta love Tim Sipples proposing to run Oracle under 
Windows on a Mantissa Corporation z86VM X86 emulator on a current VM.


WoW.

Do I want to go out drinking with Tim? .. E... Imagine what might 
happen?


Regards,

Flint

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017, David Boyes wrote:


Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 19:54:44 +
From: David Boyes 
Reply-To: Linux on 390 Port 
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Oracle on VM


I gotta say that the option Tim Sipples, proposed of running Oracle in a=20



zOS guest under VM is a bit more practical than running Oracle 7, I just=20



find it fascinating that Oracle appears to have abandoned VM, but not MVS.




Oracle had (and I suppose, still have) some large customers on z/OS, and that's DB/2's 
sweet spot. Being able to stick it to their biggest competitor is always a plus, and the 
enterprise agreements that were in place at the time with a lot of those customers for 
all platforms made Oracle much more attractive back then. If the OpenSolaris thing had 
worked out, we'd be in a very different place today. DB/2 VM's "poor stepchild" 
status really made it viable only as a VSAM replacement when IBM took CMS VSAM support 
out behind the barn, at least for the CMS compilers that still existed at the time.



Tim's idea would be useful if z/OSe was still actively marketed by IBM -- this was really 
exactly the kind of thing it was meant to do. I don't think IBM ever really got that 
message across to the z/OS customer base, though -- that was back in the "LPAR uber 
Alles" for z/OS virtualization days, and IBM (with some help) has bought a clue on 
VM and running production guest operating systems since then.



A full z/OS license at current prices just for creating appliances would be difficult to 
make work in a cost-effective manner, even if you stuck to IBM-only software. There's a 
lot of moving parts, and Oracle prices on z/OS reflect the "normal" z/OS 
marketplace pricing levels. It wouldn't be hard to do (would probably take us a couple 
weeks to do it), but it would be tough to make it worth someone's while to create and 
support it with no contractual backing from Oracle or IBM.

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Re: Oracle under z/VM without Linux?

2017-02-16 Thread Douglas Wooster
And for extra credit, you could run the z/VM on Hercules on an x86 box :)

Douglas

-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Rick
Troth
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:11 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Oracle under z/VM without Linux?

On 02/16/2017 07:46 AM, Paul Flint wrote:
> I am going out on a limb here and suggesting that Mantissa somehow
> compiled something like ReactOS?

Mantissa figured out a way to run X86 (32-bit and 64-bit) binaries and
operating systems on top of z/VM. (ReactOS, Windows, Linux, *BSD, anything)

Looks pretty slick. Based on what they've leaked on this and other email
lists, they leverage CP services and functions to optimize the
capabilities of the underlying z hardware. They've been wowing people at
SHARE and other conferences for at least the past 5 years. I have not
heard if they actually released a salable product or if anyone has
purchased, trialed, or beta tested.

A somewhat slower performer would be to port BOCHS to CMS and run your
Windoze systems on that.

-- R; <><




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Oracle on VM

2017-02-16 Thread David Boyes
> I gotta say that the option Tim Sipples, proposed of running Oracle in a=20

> zOS guest under VM is a bit more practical than running Oracle 7, I just=20

> find it fascinating that Oracle appears to have abandoned VM, but not MVS.



Oracle had (and I suppose, still have) some large customers on z/OS, and that's 
DB/2's sweet spot. Being able to stick it to their biggest competitor is always 
a plus, and the enterprise agreements that were in place at the time with a lot 
of those customers for all platforms made Oracle much more attractive back 
then. If the OpenSolaris thing had worked out, we'd be in a very different 
place today. DB/2 VM's "poor stepchild" status really made it viable only as a 
VSAM replacement when IBM took CMS VSAM support out behind the barn, at least 
for the CMS compilers that still existed at the time.



Tim's idea would be useful if z/OSe was still actively marketed by IBM -- this 
was really exactly the kind of thing it was meant to do. I don't think IBM ever 
really got that message across to the z/OS customer base, though -- that was 
back in the "LPAR uber Alles" for z/OS virtualization days, and IBM (with some 
help) has bought a clue on VM and running production guest operating systems 
since then.



A full z/OS license at current prices just for creating appliances would be 
difficult to make work in a cost-effective manner, even if you stuck to 
IBM-only software. There's a lot of moving parts, and Oracle prices on z/OS 
reflect the "normal" z/OS marketplace pricing levels. It wouldn't be hard to do 
(would probably take us a couple weeks to do it), but it would be tough to make 
it worth someone's while to create and support it with no contractual backing 
from Oracle or IBM.

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Re: Oracle under z/VM without Linux?

2017-02-16 Thread Rick Troth
On 02/16/2017 07:46 AM, Paul Flint wrote:
> I am going out on a limb here and suggesting that Mantissa somehow
> compiled something like ReactOS?

Mantissa figured out a way to run X86 (32-bit and 64-bit) binaries and
operating systems on top of z/VM. (ReactOS, Windows, Linux, *BSD, anything)

Looks pretty slick. Based on what they've leaked on this and other email
lists, they leverage CP services and functions to optimize the
capabilities of the underlying z hardware. They've been wowing people at
SHARE and other conferences for at least the past 5 years. I have not
heard if they actually released a salable product or if anyone has
purchased, trialed, or beta tested.

A somewhat slower performer would be to port BOCHS to CMS and run your
Windoze systems on that.

-- R; <><




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SHARE San Jose - Request for Session Chairs

2017-02-16 Thread John Crossno
We are getting close to SHARE, and still have 32 sessions for you to pick
from, if you are going, and would like to help your peers, who are sharing
useful information with you. Please take a look at the list below, and
don't wait to let me know if you are able to chair one or more of the
available sessions!

Thanks!
John

Session ID Session Title Day Date and Time Speaker(s)
20294 Lead With Linux: Deploy New Enterprise Workloads to Linux on z
Systems Using Flexible Application Devevelopment Solutions Mon 2017-03-06,
11:15:00 Ed Airey (Speaker)
20151 Introduction to RACF on z/VM Mon 2017-03-06, 13:45:00 Bruce Hayden
(Speaker)
20293 Something Broke, How Do I Fix It? Lessons Learned from a Linux
Performance Specialist Mon 2017-03-06, 13:45:00 Tanya Buchanan (Speaker)
20184 What's New with SUSE Linux Enterprise Server on IBM z Systems
Mon 2017-03-06,
15:15:00 Mark Post (Speaker)
20181 Introduction and Positioning of KVM for IBM z Systems Tue 2017-03-07,
10:00:00 Steffen Thoss (Speaker)
20164 Tips and Tricks of Installing and Updating the CA VM:Manager Suite
for Linux on z Systems Tue 2017-03-07, 11:15:00 Brian Jagos (Speaker)
20699 User Experience with IBM Spectrum Scale (GPFS) Tue 2017-03-07,
11:15:00 Marcy D. Cortes (Speaker)
20155 Advanced Systems Management of LinuxONE and Linux on z Systems using
IBM Wave for z/VM Tue 2017-03-07, 15:15:00 Eduardo C. Oliveira, IBM, Wave,
for, z/VM, Tiger, Team, Lead (Speaker)
20180 Penguins Behind the Affordable Care Act Tue 2017-03-07, 16:30:00 Mike
Giglio, z/VM, Engineer (Speaker)
20179 Linux Performance Tools in 60 Minutes Wed 2017-03-08, 11:15:00 Eberhard
Pasch (Speaker)
20158 Top Ten Most Listed z/VM Issues from the VM Listserv Since the Last
Meeting Wed 2017-03-08, 13:45:00 Brian Jagos (Speaker)
20160 z/VM Virtual Switch (Part 1): The Basics Wed 2017-03-08, 13:45:00 Alan
Altmark (Speaker)
20150 Backup Strategies for z/VM, LinuxONE, and Linux on z Systems Wed
2017-03-08,
15:15:00 Tracy Dean (Speaker)
20168 z/VM System Configuration - Let's Talk About All the Choices Wed
2017-03-08,
15:15:00 Bruce Hayden (Speaker)
20365 The New Linux Ecosystem on z Systems and Solution Implications
Wed 2017-03-08,
16:30:00 Wilhelm Mild (Speaker)
19971 Linux & VM Program Dinner Wed 2017-03-08, 18:30:00 Brian Jagos
(Speaker), Rick Barlow (Speaker)
20162 Cloud Manager Appliance for z/VM: Implementation and Integration
Options Thu 2017-03-09, 08:30:00 Mike Bonett (Speaker)
20178 Linux Distribution Performance Update Thu 2017-03-09, 08:30:00 Eberhard
Pasch (Speaker)
20161 Are There Free Tools Available to Use On My z/VM System? Thu 2017-03-09,
10:00:00 Bruce Hayden (Speaker)
20174 Cloning versus Provisioning – What is the Difference? Thu 2017-03-09,
10:00:00 Mike Bonett (Speaker)
20194 Docker and z Systems Thu 2017-03-09, 10:00:00 Martin Schwidefsky
(Speaker)
20007 Docker - The Tutorial Thu 2017-03-09, 11:15:00 Alejandro Bonilla
(Speaker)
20175 User Experiences with Linux and z Systems - Customer Panel Thu
2017-03-09,
11:15:00 Neale Ferguson (Speaker)
20165 z/VM Virtual Switch (Part 2): Advanced Topics Thu 2017-03-09,
13:45:00 Alan
Altmark (Speaker)
20172 Building and Running Your Docker Containers on z Systems Thu 2017-03-09,
15:15:00 Neale Ferguson (Speaker)
20701 GDPS Virtual Appliance to Provide High Availability and Disaster
Recovery for z/VM & Linux Environments Thu 2017-03-09, 15:15:00 Anthony
Morales (Speaker)
20009 Migrate Linux Workloads to the Mainframe Using Open Source Tools
Thu 2017-03-09,
16:30:00 Niel M. Bornstein (Speaker)
20196 Dialogue and Requirements Discussion for IBM z Systems Virtualization
and Linux Thu 2017-03-09, 16:30:00 Steffen Thoss (Speaker), George Madl
(Speaker)
20040 LIVE: LinuxONE and Linux on z Systems Capacity and Solution Planning
Fri 2017-03-10, 08:30:00 Jim Elliott (Speaker)
20191 Docker Demystified for Mainframers Fri 2017-03-10, 08:30:00 Wilhelm
Mild (Speaker)
20570 Ensure Proper Utilization of Resources Within KVM Instances Using
Hypervisor Performance Manager Before You Scale Up Fri 2017-03-10,
10:00:00 Deepti
Naphade (Speaker)
20197 IBM Wave for z/VM Setup, Use Cases, and Field Experiences Fri 2017-03-10,
11:15:00 Richard G. Young (Speaker)

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Re: Problems registering with SUSEConnect

2017-02-16 Thread Christer Solskogen
Any by node name, you mean hostname?
I still get it with a hostname that is only six characters long :/

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Waite, Dick (External) <
dick.wa...@softwareag.com> wrote:

> Grand Day,
> It's a known issue. I expect your node name is 8 chars long. There is a
> fix, sorry I'm in the wilds at the moment. As a work-a-round us a 7 byte or
> less node name.
> __R
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>   Original Message
> From: Christer Solskogen
> Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2017 11:53
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Reply To: Linux on 390 Port
> Subject: Problems registering with SUSEConnect
>
>
> OS: SLES12 SP2
>
> It seems like the command "read_values" is having problems.
> Output of "read_values -c" gives:
> Error: Unable to open configuration, return_code= -2
>
> anyone else seen this?
>
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Re: Oracle under z/VM without Linux?

2017-02-16 Thread Paul Flint

Greetings Timothy Sipples,

Excellent...exemplairily weird.

I had never heard of z86VM or Mantissa (http://www.mantissa.com/).

I am going out on a limb here and suggesting that Mantissa somehow 
compiled something like ReactOS?


Holy lisense fees!  I see lawyers reserving tickets...

Thanks again Timothy and...

Kindest Regards,

Paul

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017, Timothy Sipples wrote:


Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:40:02 +0800
From: Timothy Sipples 
Reply-To: Linux on 390 Port 
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Oracle under z/VM without Linux?

For another "bizarre" answer, this path might work:

1. Obtain z86VM (beta) from Mantissa Corporation;
2. Obtain Microsoft Windows from Microsoft;
3. Install and run Microsoft Windows on z86VM on z/VM;
4. Obtain Oracle Database for Windows from Oracle;
5. Install and run Oracle Database for Windows on Microsoft Windows on
z86VM on z/VM.

Oracle Database 11g Express Edition is available here, at no charge, if
you'd like to experiment with this particular recipe:

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/database/database-technologies/express-edition/overview/index.html

To my knowledge, Mantissa's z86VM product is still in beta. Some
information is available here:

http://www.mantissa.com/mantissa-product-families/virtualization/

Mantissa has not certified Microsoft Windows yet, as far as I know. For
now, at least, you'll need to stick to 32-bit Windows and 32-bit Oracle
Database since z86VM does not include X86-64 support.

I'm not sure why there's a desire (or curiosity?) to run Oracle under z/VM
without Linux, but I'm answering the question as asked.


Timothy Sipples
IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA
E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com

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Re: Problems registering with SUSEConnect

2017-02-16 Thread Waite, Dick (External)
Grand Day,
It's a known issue. I expect your node name is 8 chars long. There is a fix, 
sorry I'm in the wilds at the moment. As a work-a-round us a 7 byte or less 
node name.
__R

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From: Christer Solskogen
Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2017 11:53
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Reply To: Linux on 390 Port
Subject: Problems registering with SUSEConnect


OS: SLES12 SP2

It seems like the command "read_values" is having problems.
Output of "read_values -c" gives:
Error: Unable to open configuration, return_code= -2

anyone else seen this?

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Problems registering with SUSEConnect

2017-02-16 Thread Christer Solskogen
OS: SLES12 SP2

It seems like the command "read_values" is having problems.
Output of "read_values -c" gives:
Error: Unable to open configuration, return_code= -2

anyone else seen this?

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