Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
On Thu, 17 May 2007 07:47:03 +0800 John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Cox wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007 09:18:42 -0400 Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand it only too well, but it isn't Microsoft's business model. How much did you pay for your copy of Internet Explorer when it was released as a download,or MS Word viewer, or ... Like webexplorer on OS/2 some years ago, IE is paid for in the Windows charge. It's also the maintenance tool for Windows. No - when IE was first introduced it was a free(price) download and it was not a planned part of that particular windows release. As to gigs - Bill doesn't do gigs that is true, but Ballmer seems to do quite a show ;) Alan -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
I remember I read the EULA the first time I started to installed it ('96?). It
had a clause that
read something along the lines This is price free now. But if we ever
introduce a charge-for
version of IE, the price free status of this will cease - you'll have to pay us
to continue using
it. I pressed Decline.
Of course after the Netscape case it was unlikely that they would ever invoke
that clause.
James Campbell
On 17 May 2007 at 10:30, Alan Cox wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2007 07:47:03 +0800
John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alan Cox wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2007 09:18:42 -0400
Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I understand it only too well, but it isn't Microsoft's business model.
How much did you pay for your copy of Internet Explorer when it was
released as a download,or MS Word viewer, or ...
Like webexplorer on OS/2 some years ago, IE is paid for in the Windows
charge. It's also the maintenance tool for Windows.
No - when IE was first introduced it was a free(price) download and it was
not a planned part of that particular windows release.
As to gigs - Bill doesn't do gigs that is true, but Ballmer seems to do
quite a show ;)
Alan
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Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
On May 17, 2007, at 4:30 AM, Alan Cox wrote: As to gigs - Bill doesn't do gigs that is true, but Ballmer seems to do quite a show ;) It's a handy way to dispose of office furniture you don't want any more, anyway. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
On 5/16/2007 at 5:47 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Cox wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007 09:18:42 -0400 Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand it only too well, but it isn't Microsoft's business model. How much did you pay for your copy of Internet Explorer when it was released as a download,or MS Word viewer, or ... Like webexplorer on OS/2 some years ago, IE is paid for in the Windows charge. It's also the maintenance tool for Windows. Did you try USB on Windows 95? Or Windows NT? MS does give some stuff away, probably in an attempt to keep people on Windows. IMV the most useful freebie is Virtual PC which allows me to run Linux (or OS/2) under Windows on my laptop which doesn't have the hardware capability to run Windows under Linux using Xen. Another free VM option for Intel is VMWare Server. http://www.vmware.com/products/server/ Frank -- Frank Swarbrick Senior Developer/Analyst - Mainframe Applications Development FirstBank Data Corporation - Lakewood, CO (303) 235-1403 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
Well, it really shouldn't surprise anyone that a company that is in business to make money doesn't want to discuss giving their software away g. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gregg C Levine Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:41 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. Hello! They do not. I suspect it goes against their mentality. I once facetiously suggested to a representative of theirs that they should simply give away the OEM versions to licensed or appropriately and duly recognized individuals, and simply make arrangements that licenses and their associated cost be passed on to the buy of the hardware. However it got laughed out of the forum because he, (or was it she?) refused to believe that I was indeed serious and using that form of phrasing. However here's where it gets screwy, my local LUG is reacting very strangely to this issue. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Cox Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 6:33 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. On Tue, 15 May 2007 12:28:19 -0500 McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. Even Linus has got a job today. Controversial statements from the head of Microsoft's Linux Labs, Bill Hilf. /quote A fine demonstration that Microsoft still don't understand even the basic concepts of Free Software. Alan -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
On Wed, 16 May 2007 05:40:44 -0400 Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it really shouldn't surprise anyone that a company that is in business to make money doesn't want to discuss giving their software away g. Ah.. someone else who doesn't understand it 8) If you make more money indirectly by giving it away than by selling it which does the rational business do ? It isn't really any different to the growing number of musicians who give their music away to get people to profitable gigs rather than go via the established music industry. Alan -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
I understand it only too well, but it isn't Microsoft's business model. It is, in their opinion, not a valid business model to give away their software. Their choice, no? K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Cox Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:12 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. On Wed, 16 May 2007 05:40:44 -0400 Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it really shouldn't surprise anyone that a company that is in business to make money doesn't want to discuss giving their software away g. Ah.. someone else who doesn't understand it 8) If you make more money indirectly by giving it away than by selling it which does the rational business do ? It isn't really any different to the growing number of musicians who give their music away to get people to profitable gigs rather than go via the established music industry. Alan -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
On Wed, 16 May 2007 09:18:42 -0400 Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand it only too well, but it isn't Microsoft's business model. How much did you pay for your copy of Internet Explorer when it was released as a download,or MS Word viewer, or ... -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
Alan Cox wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007 05:40:44 -0400 Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it really shouldn't surprise anyone that a company that is in business to make money doesn't want to discuss giving their software away g. Ah.. someone else who doesn't understand it 8) If you make more money indirectly by giving it away than by selling it which does the rational business do ? It isn't really any different to the growing number of musicians who give their music away to get people to profitable gigs rather than go via the established music industry. Alan But Bill doesn't do the gigs. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
Alan Cox wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007 09:18:42 -0400 Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand it only too well, but it isn't Microsoft's business model. How much did you pay for your copy of Internet Explorer when it was released as a download,or MS Word viewer, or ... Like webexplorer on OS/2 some years ago, IE is paid for in the Windows charge. It's also the maintenance tool for Windows. Did you try USB on Windows 95? Or Windows NT? MS does give some stuff away, probably in an attempt to keep people on Windows. IMV the most useful freebie is Virtual PC which allows me to run Linux (or OS/2) under Windows on my laptop which doesn't have the hardware capability to run Windows under Linux using Xen. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
quote The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. Even Linus has got a job today. Controversial statements from the head of Microsoft's Linux Labs, Bill Hilf. /quote http://www.bangkokpost.com/090507_Database/09May2007_data05.php -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
On Tue, 15 May 2007 12:28:19 -0500 McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. Even Linus has got a job today. Controversial statements from the head of Microsoft's Linux Labs, Bill Hilf. /quote A fine demonstration that Microsoft still don't understand even the basic concepts of Free Software. Alan -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
Hello! They do not. I suspect it goes against their mentality. I once facetiously suggested to a representative of theirs that they should simply give away the OEM versions to licensed or appropriately and duly recognized individuals, and simply make arrangements that licenses and their associated cost be passed on to the buy of the hardware. However it got laughed out of the forum because he, (or was it she?) refused to believe that I was indeed serious and using that form of phrasing. However heres where it gets screwy, my local LUG is reacting very strangely to this issue. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Cox Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 6:33 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. On Tue, 15 May 2007 12:28:19 -0500 McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. Even Linus has got a job today. Controversial statements from the head of Microsoft's Linux Labs, Bill Hilf. /quote A fine demonstration that Microsoft still don't understand even the basic concepts of Free Software. Alan -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
