Re: Linux install from z/OS.
If by in house you mean installed then no. We do have the DVD for z/VM. I don't see how having z/VM helps. The problem is getting the files from CD to z/VM (actually to the Linux installer). Believe it or not the only DVD reader we have here is the one on the HMC. All of our Intel systems have CD readers, and not DVD readers. We only have one CD writer in the entire department. As far a I know we have no DVD writers. This seems to be due to some miss-guided security constraint. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:22 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux install from z/OS. On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 12:13 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone tried to use z/OS to serve the install CDs for Linux? Yes, someone did, and reported their results here. I think they used FTP, though. Search the archives for more, but they did have some issues they needed to correct. I'm assuming you're asking this because you don't have z/VM in house? -snip- The problem I have is that we don't have an Intel Linux system that I can put the install CDs on. We also don't have a Windows box with enough disk space. All we have are laptops with little RAM and small disks. Are you really talking about CDs, or one DVD? If the latter, then you don't need any space on a hard drive. Also, what version of what distribution is this? If it's SLES10, you can actually insert the DVD (or CD1) into an Intel box and boot from it. It won't touch your hard drive. After you get some network setup done (unfortunately manual at this point in time), you have an install server on your desk. I should also note that our operations group says it is too dangerous to use the HMC as a file server. Uhh, yeah. Right. Meaning they're afraid of the unknown. Oh well. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email from the State of California is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this email. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux install from z/OS.
On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 12:56 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If by in house you mean installed then no. We do have the DVD for z/VM. I don't see how having z/VM helps. Having z/VM helps if you're trying to install SLES10, due to the downloadable starter system. If you're installing RHEL or anything else, then z/VM just makes the rest of your life easier, not necessarily the installation piece. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux install from z/OS.
I don't care how much CPU it uses. I can start it up and go do something else. I will look into getting the starter system. I don't make these decisions, so I don't know if we will be able to get it. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:27 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux install from z/OS. Has anyone tried to use z/OS to serve the install CDs for Linux? Yes. Don't do it. You won't like the CPU utilization on z/OS at all. The SMB support chews up a lot of CPU doing the SMB translation. The problem I have is that we don't have an Intel Linux system that I can put the install CDs on. We also don't have a Windows box with enough disk space. All we have are laptops with little RAM and small disks. If you're doing a install for VM and you're using SLES, then get the starter system image for SLES 10 from Novell and use that as your install source. If you're doing LPAR, well... hmm. See above re SMB. It'll work, but it's kind of anti-social. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email from the State of California is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this email. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux install from z/OS.
I don't care how much CPU it uses. I can start it up and go do something else. Lucky you. It's *really* a pig, though, so do it at night if you can. I will look into getting the starter system. I don't make these decisions, so I don't know if we will be able to get it. No cost (other than the download time). -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux install from z/OS.
In most government installations, you need to get approval to get other stuff. We get it here all the time. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:01 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux install from z/OS. On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 1:53 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't cost. I need to get approval for anything like this. Hmm. Sorry to hear that. Still, if you got approval to install Linux in the first place, it's hard to see them refusing to allow a no-cost tool to make it easier. Good luck, in any case. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux install from z/OS.
If by in house you mean installed then no. We do have the DVD for z/VM. Do that install first. I don't see how having z/VM helps. Once you have VM installed you can use the starter system download from Novell. It contains the entire DVD distribution of SLES 10 SP1. No files bigger than about 2G are involved, so even the small-disks should be able to do it if you do them one at a time. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux install from z/OS.
It isn't cost. I need to get approval for anything like this. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:45 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux install from z/OS. On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 1:39 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- I will look into getting the starter system. I don't make these decisions, so I don't know if we will be able to get it. There's no cost associated with the starter system. Makes it kinda nice for proof of concept work. :) Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email from the State of California is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this email. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux install from z/OS.
On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 1:53 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't cost. I need to get approval for anything like this. Hmm. Sorry to hear that. Still, if you got approval to install Linux in the first place, it's hard to see them refusing to allow a no-cost tool to make it easier. Good luck, in any case. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Linux install from z/OS.
Has anyone tried to use z/OS to serve the install CDs for Linux? I know that there isn't a CD reader on the mainframe, but it seems that it would be just as easy to copy the CDs from a PC to z/OS as it is to copy them to a disk on the PC, if you have DFS/SMB configured (which I do). The problem I have is that we don't have an Intel Linux system that I can put the install CDs on. We also don't have a Windows box with enough disk space. All we have are laptops with little RAM and small disks. I should also note that our operations group says it is too dangerous to use the HMC as a file server. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email from the State of California is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this email. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux install from z/OS.
On Friday, 11/16/2007 at 12:14 EST, Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should also note that our operations group says it is too dangerous to use the HMC as a file server. Dangerous? In what way? IMO, the HMC has excellent security characteristics, including a built-in configurable firewall. Usually, dangerous means We've never done that before and we're afraid we might break something. I suppose they're correct, in that sense. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
