Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
bruce.light...@its.ms.gov wrote: I am aiming for 1+1=10 all your logic gates are mine !! I'll take these: 1 OR 1 = 1 1 OR 0 = 1 0 OR 1 = 1 0 OR 0 = 0 -- Cheers John -- spambait 1...@coco.merseine.nu z1...@coco.merseine.nu -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
Privilege escalation? M$oft must finally have decided to copy what viruses do on Windows. Windows attracts malware like trailer parks attract tornadoes... On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:28 AM, Shane wrote: > Anyone else picked up on this ? > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009094923390 > > No wonder everyone cheered when the lawyer got eaten in the original > Jurassic Park. > > Shane ... -- John R. Campbell Speaker to Machines souperb at gmail dot com MacOS X proved it was easier to make Unix user-friendly than to fix Windows -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
I'm going for the patent on the space character -- a small pittance every time someone puts a space between words would make me very happy ! sooni'llbekingoftheworldbwahhahaha -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
However 10 + 10 = 32. I've got that one cornered!
Edward Long
From: William D Carroll
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I can see 1+1=11 because we all know since Scott holds the patent on 2+2=4
New Math was created and now 2+2=22
William 'Doug' Carroll
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I am aiming for 1+1=10 all your logic gates are mine !!
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I've got 2+2=4 locked in myself :-)
Scott
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Chase, John wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Leslie Turriff
> >
> > On Thursday 12 November 2009 07:00:33 Chase, John wrote:
> > >
> > > My "cynical" take on software in general:
> > >
> > > 1. All software ultimately is a set of mathematical expressions.
> > > 2. Mathematical expressions are "facts".
> > > 3. "Facts" are not patentable.
> > >
> > > -jc-
> > Or, conversely, taking the pessimistic case:
> >
> > 1.All software ultimately is a set of mathematical expressions.
> > 2.All software is patentable (per present thinking).
> > 3.Therefore, all mathematical expressions are patentable.
>
> Guess I should hurry up and apply for patents on E=MC^2. :-)
>
>-jc-
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Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
I can see 1+1=11 because we all know since Scott holds the patent on 2+2=4
New Math was created and now 2+2=22
William 'Doug' Carroll
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I am aiming for 1+1=10 all your logic gates are mine !!
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I've got 2+2=4 locked in myself :-)
Scott
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Chase, John wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Leslie Turriff
> >
> > On Thursday 12 November 2009 07:00:33 Chase, John wrote:
> > >
> > > My "cynical" take on software in general:
> > >
> > > 1. All software ultimately is a set of mathematical expressions.
> > > 2. Mathematical expressions are "facts".
> > > 3. "Facts" are not patentable.
> > >
> > > -jc-
> > Or, conversely, taking the pessimistic case:
> >
> > 1.All software ultimately is a set of mathematical expressions.
> > 2.All software is patentable (per present thinking).
> > 3.Therefore, all mathematical expressions are patentable.
>
> Guess I should hurry up and apply for patents on E=MC^2. :-)
>
>-jc-
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Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shane wrote: > Anyone else picked up on this ? > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009094923390 > For whatever it's worth, attached is Todd Miller's (primary sudo developer) response to the MS patent news. - -- Pat -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkr8TagACgkQNObCqA8uBsw6YgCffajpIL0J3aYGvUkXllwrCAtt /H0AnArIXmU48gZP6PzW6UUCfPYnlb/T =MBIM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 --- Begin Message --- I've already received a number of questions about US patent 7,617,530 that some people seem to believe might cover sudo. I don't think that is the case. My reading of the patent indicates that it is geared towards GUI-based environments where the user may need to perform some action (such as setting the clock in a control panel) that requires increased privileges. The actual "invention" appears to be that the user is able to perform an action as a different user without having to type in the name of that other user when authenticating. One example given in that patent is the ability to click on a name in a list of privileged users as opposed to having to type in a user name. Sudo simply doesn't work this way. When a command is run via sudo the user is actively running the command as a different user. What is described in the patent is a mechanism whereby an application or the operating system detects that an action needs to be run with increased privileges and automatically prompts the user with a list of potential users that have the appropriate privilege level to perform the task. - todd sudo-users mailing list For list information, options, or to unsubscribe, visit: http://www.sudo.ws/mailman/listinfo/sudo-users -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 --- End Message ---
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
I am aiming for 1+1=10 all your logic gates are mine !! Scott Rohling To Sent by: Linux on LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 390 Port cc Subject Re: M$oft patents "sudo" 11/12/2009 08:47 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port I've got 2+2=4 locked in myself :-) Scott On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Chase, John wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Leslie Turriff > > > > On Thursday 12 November 2009 07:00:33 Chase, John wrote: > > > > > > My "cynical" take on software in general: > > > > > > 1. All software ultimately is a set of mathematical expressions. > > > 2. Mathematical expressions are "facts". > > > 3. "Facts" are not patentable. > > > > > > -jc- > > Or, conversely, taking the pessimistic case: > > > > 1.All software ultimately is a set of mathematical expressions. > > 2.All software is patentable (per present thinking). > > 3.Therefore, all mathematical expressions are patentable. > > Guess I should hurry up and apply for patents on E=MC^2. :-) > >-jc- > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
He was not speaking literately, but AlGorecally! --- allan.stal...@kbm1.com wrote: From: "Staller, Allan" To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: M$oft patents "sudo" Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:13:31 -0600 Groan! Would you quit PUNishing us! No, Al invented all music software. What? You never heard of AlGoreRythm? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
On 11/12/09 9:32 AM, "Leslie Turriff" wrote: -jc- > Or, conversely, taking the pessimistic case: > > 1. All software ultimately is a set of mathematical expressions. > 2. All software is patentable (per present thinking). > 3. Therefore, all mathematical expressions are patentable. Although by Goedel's Law, for any logical expression set T there is a item not(T) which is not part of the set, thus for the set of all mathematical expressions, there exists some expression which is not patentable. God. I'm going to have topological nightmares again. Is it Friday yet? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
Groan! Would you quit PUNishing us! No, Al invented all music software. What? You never heard of AlGoreRythm? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
> -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On > Behalf Of Bill Reed > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:00 AM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: M$oft patents "sudo" > > Sheesh > > I thought everyone knew that Al Gore invented "sudo". > > Bill Reed No, Al invented all music software. What? You never heard of AlGoreRythm? -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Bill Reed wrote: > I thought everyone knew that Al Gore invented "sudo". No, he invented Global Warming (to help those who must smoke outside) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
Scott writes: > I've got 2+2=4 locked in myself :-) Isn't that this a specific case, and your patent really is of "+" ? --henry schaffer -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
Sheesh I thought everyone knew that Al Gore invented "sudo". Bill Reed CSC ITS-EPA Team (Excel Management Systems) Supporting the Environmental Protection Agency Research Triangle Park, North Carolina Phone: 919-767-7257 Fax: 919-406-2602 Email: reed.b...@epa.gov -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
I've got 2+2=4 locked in myself :-) Scott On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Chase, John wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Leslie Turriff > > > > On Thursday 12 November 2009 07:00:33 Chase, John wrote: > > > > > > My "cynical" take on software in general: > > > > > > 1. All software ultimately is a set of mathematical expressions. > > > 2. Mathematical expressions are "facts". > > > 3. "Facts" are not patentable. > > > > > > -jc- > > Or, conversely, taking the pessimistic case: > > > > 1.All software ultimately is a set of mathematical expressions. > > 2.All software is patentable (per present thinking). > > 3.Therefore, all mathematical expressions are patentable. > > Guess I should hurry up and apply for patents on E=MC^2. :-) > >-jc- > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
> -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Leslie Turriff > > On Thursday 12 November 2009 07:00:33 Chase, John wrote: > > > > My "cynical" take on software in general: > > > > 1. All software ultimately is a set of mathematical expressions. > > 2. Mathematical expressions are "facts". > > 3. "Facts" are not patentable. > > > > -jc- > Or, conversely, taking the pessimistic case: > > 1.All software ultimately is a set of mathematical expressions. > 2.All software is patentable (per present thinking). > 3.Therefore, all mathematical expressions are patentable. Guess I should hurry up and apply for patents on E=MC^2. :-) -jc- -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
On Thursday 12 November 2009 07:00:33 Chase, John wrote: > > My "cynical" take on software in general: > > 1. All software ultimately is a set of mathematical expressions. > 2. Mathematical expressions are "facts". > 3. "Facts" are not patentable. > > -jc- Or, conversely, taking the pessimistic case: 1. All software ultimately is a set of mathematical expressions. 2. All software is patentable (per present thinking). 3. Therefore, all mathematical expressions are patentable. Leslie Turriff -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
> -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Shane > > Anyone else picked up on this ? > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009094923390 > > No wonder everyone cheered when the lawyer got eaten in the original > Jurassic Park. My "cynical" take on software in general: 1. All software ultimately is a set of mathematical expressions. 2. Mathematical expressions are "facts". 3. "Facts" are not patentable. -jc- -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: M$oft patents "sudo"
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Shane wrote: > Anyone else picked up on this ? > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009094923390 Now I understand. Once they have the right to "sudo" they will not require every windoze user to have administrator privileges for their daily work (like switch between two wifi networks). Sigh. And I thought I could stop following groklaw :-( -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
M$oft patents "sudo"
Anyone else picked up on this ? http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009094923390 No wonder everyone cheered when the lawyer got eaten in the original Jurassic Park. Shane ... -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
