Re: NEW TOPIC -- Workload move from z/OS to z/Series Linux
Hi Alan. We have moved about 3 small and 2 large Oracle applications over from z/OS. Mary Anne On Jan 31, 2008 8:56 PM, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My original topic was completely hijacked by disucssion of ZIIPS and ZAAP so I am going to try again. Please no more ZIIPs and ZAAPs. (Frankly, my dear, ...) Has anyone actually moved workload from z/OS to z/Linux? So far I got only one response, someone who moved TSM from z/OS to z/Linux. I got some good suggestions. Thank you! Someone asked what we run on z/OS. I don't know. It seems a bit strange that a VM system programmer is being asked to do this. I will no doubt find out one of these days. But so far I have to report that no one is doing this except one shop. Alan Ackerman Alan (dot) Ackerman (at) Bank of America (dot) com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: NEW TOPIC -- Workload move from z/OS to z/Series Linux
RPN01 wrote: We've moved IBI's I-Way and WebFocus from z/OS to Linux on zSeries, and actually got an improvement in performance. I was just beginning to wonder about performance. I think a brief performance assessment from those who've done it would be beneficial. Improved performance is nice, but its lack doesn't mean that the exercise failed, and I'd not expect that Linux is better at everything. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: NEW TOPIC -- Workload move from z/OS to z/Series Linux
We've moved IBI's I-Way and WebFocus from z/OS to Linux on zSeries, and actually got an improvement in performance. (We also moved I-Way and WebFocus from a Solaris box to Linux on zSeries and got better than 60% performance improvement. Not germane to your question, but possibly interesting...) We've moved a couple of applications from Intel Linux to Linux on zSeries. We're rejected a few projects because of the lack of vendor support (i.e. Sybase). The rest of our load are made up of new projects as opposed to relocating any workload. -- .~.Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation /V\RO-OE-5-55200 First Street SW /( )\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 ^^-^^ - In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 1/31/08 7:56 PM, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My original topic was completely hijacked by disucssion of ZIIPS and ZAAP so I am going to try again. Please no more ZIIPs and ZAAPs. (Frankly, my dear, ...) Has anyone actually moved workload from z/OS to z/Linux? So far I got only one response, someone who moved TSM from z/OS to z/Linux. I got some good suggestions. Thank you! Someone asked what we run on z/OS. I don't know. It seems a bit strange that a VM system programmer is being asked to do this. I will no doubt find out one of these days. But so far I have to report that no one is doing this except one shop. Alan Ackerman Alan (dot) Ackerman (at) Bank of America (dot) com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: NEW TOPIC -- Workload move from z/OS to z/Series Linux
Alan, we moved our entire WebSphere (JAVA applications) environment from z/OS to z/Linux. Saved a bunch on liscensing, we already possed the distributed WAS liscenses. Nearly all of our our current java apps do little more than replace 3270 screens,(no heavy cpu intensive work) most of the data and computation is still preformed on z/OS. The data is passed via HiperSockets. It has worked wonderfully for us. Response times improved dramatically for our apps, primarily in avoiding WLM configuration 'stuff' . As such, new java application developement has largely been targeted to be deployed on zLinux. Steve Mitchell Sr Systems Software Specialist Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas (785) 291-8885 'There are no degrees of Honesty-you're either Honest or you're not! CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential, trade secret or privileged information. Any unauthorized review use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited and may be a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering this message to an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: NEW TOPIC -- Workload move from z/OS to z/Series Linux
Has anyone actually moved workload from z/OS to z/Linux? Yes. Application development and testing, some DB/2 work, Oracle as several people have mentioned, document conversion (PSF to ), dataset compression and encryption, archive conversion, Websphere work. How much more do you want? 8-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
NEW TOPIC -- Workload move from z/OS to z/Series Linux
My original topic was completely hijacked by disucssion of ZIIPS and ZAAP so I am going to try again. Please no more ZIIPs and ZAAPs. (Frankly, my dear, ...) Has anyone actually moved workload from z/OS to z/Linux? So far I got only one response, someone who moved TSM from z/OS to z/Linux. I got some good suggestions. Thank you! Someone asked what we run on z/OS. I don't know. It seems a bit strange that a VM system programmer is being asked to do this. I will no doubt find out one of these days. But so far I have to report that no one is doing this except one shop. Alan Ackerman Alan (dot) Ackerman (at) Bank of America (dot) com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: NEW TOPIC -- Workload move from z/OS to z/Series Linux
We are currently working on moving our home grown 3270 application from z/OS to a MFL environment using WAS 6.1, DB2 and a workflow engine from Fujitsu (Interstage iBPM). It will be a J2EE enabled application. We are also moving some of our 3270 traffic for mainframe connections to Linux using HATS in the short term. Still working on getting things into production, but we will be getting there over the next few months as workflow rolls out a few applications and our initial Java framework (admin portal) is deployed. Daryl On Jan 31, 2008 8:56 PM, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My original topic was completely hijacked by disucssion of ZIIPS and ZAAP so I am going to try again. Please no more ZIIPs and ZAAPs. (Frankly, my dear, ...) Has anyone actually moved workload from z/OS to z/Linux? So far I got only one response, someone who moved TSM from z/OS to z/Linux. I got some good suggestions. Thank you! Someone asked what we run on z/OS. I don't know. It seems a bit strange that a VM system programmer is being asked to do this. I will no doubt find out one of these days. But so far I have to report that no one is doing this except one shop. Alan Ackerman Alan (dot) Ackerman (at) Bank of America (dot) com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Daryl R. Hoffman System Administrator Administrative Information Systems The Pennsylvania State University Cell/Home: 814-441-9448 Work: 814-863-3829 Website: http://www.personal.psu.edu/drh4 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: NEW TOPIC -- Workload move from z/OS to z/Series Linux
On Jan 31, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Alan Ackerman wrote: Has anyone actually moved workload from z/OS to z/Linux? Yes. Yes, people have. It usually happens for licensing reasons. Either because IFLs are cheaper than CPs or because Linux licensing, even on Z, follows the vendor's Open Systems licensing structures rather than their mainframe licensing structures, and is thus a lot cheaper. But so far I have to report that no one is doing this except one shop. I have seen more than one shop do this, and helped more than one shop retool to be able to do this. No, I can't tell you who. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: NEW TOPIC -- Workload move from z/OS to z/Series Linux
There was a guy I talked to a z/Expo. Small customer but they had moved about all their DB2 over to Linux. I haven't seen him ever post here though. There's some quiet folks (unlike us :) out there. They are usually govt places or employers that don't let their folks say what they are doing. MQ Series and WebSphere Message Broker would be some other things to look for. But I think you'll need to inventory the z/OS stuff first! Good luck! Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Ackerman Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:56 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] NEW TOPIC -- Workload move from z/OS to z/Series Linux My original topic was completely hijacked by disucssion of ZIIPS and ZAAP so I am going to try again. Please no more ZIIPs and ZAAPs. (Frankly, my dear, ...) Has anyone actually moved workload from z/OS to z/Linux? So far I got only one response, someone who moved TSM from z/OS to z/Linux. I got some good suggestions. Thank you! Someone asked what we run on z/OS. I don't know. It seems a bit strange that a VM system programmer is being asked to do this. I will no doubt find out one of these days. But so far I have to report that no one is doing this except one shop. Alan Ackerman Alan (dot) Ackerman (at) Bank of America (dot) com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: NEW TOPIC -- Workload move from z/OS to z/Series Linux
Hi Alan, my actual customer runs Domino-, TSM- and WebSphere Application Servers as well as DB2 on Linux for System z. Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 01.02.08 03:08:50 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: NEW TOPIC -- Workload move from z/OS to z/Series Linux My original topic was completely hijacked by disucssion of ZIIPS and ZAAP so I am going to try again. Please no more ZIIPs and ZAAPs. (Frankly, my dear, ...) Has anyone actually moved workload from z/OS to z/Linux? So far I got only one response, someone who moved TSM from z/OS to z/Linux. I got some good suggestions. Thank you! Someone asked what we run on z/OS. I don't know. It seems a bit strange that a VM system programmer is being asked to do this. I will no doubt find out one of these days. But so far I have to report that no one is doing this except one shop. Alan Ackerman Alan (dot) Ackerman (at) Bank of America (dot) com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Hubert Kleinmanns Beratung / Schulung / Projektleitung Chairman des Arbeitskreises MQ-Series in der GSE, deutsche Region. Tel.: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 21 Fax: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 25 Mobil: +49 (0) 178 / 6 97 22 54 Web: www.kleinmanns.eu GSE: www.gsenet.de -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
