Re: Open Office 3.2 on SLES 11 for s390x

2010-06-08 Thread Edmund R. MacKenty
On Tuesday 08 June 2010 10:22, Florian Bilek wrote:
>Furthermore I would be very thankful if somebody could point me to a good MS
>Office / PDF converter that would run on SLES 11 as alternative as I cannot
>manage to make OpenOffice available.

Some links to check out:

http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/52385
http://www.schnarff.com/blog/?p=17
http://commandline.org.uk/command-line/dealing-with-word-documents-at-the-command-line/

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Re: Open Office 3.2 on SLES 11 for s390x

2010-06-08 Thread Florian Bilek
Dear all,

After analyzing the requirements more deeply, Open Office would only be
needed to convert Microsoft Office documents to PDF. So a sort of "headless"
installation would be sufficient.

I downloaded the OpenOffice RPMs suggested by Bruce available from
OpenOffice.org but I could not manage to install them on SLES 11 as
rpmlib(Filedigest) and another component of RPM are at a higher version than
expected by the RPM package.

Currently I am installing SLES 10 SP2 to see if the RPMS could be installed
in that environment.

Furthermore I would be very thankful if somebody could point me to a good MS
Office / PDF converter that would run on SLES 11 as alternative as I cannot
manage to make OpenOffice available.

Kind regards,
Florian





On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Florian Bilek wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Thank you all for your contributions.
>
> I will study that deeper. I think also that the GUI of OO will not be
> needed. But the software comes from a third party and up to now I didn't had
> the opportunity to speak with them. I saw their prereq list and there was
> either Open Office, which seems to me as "maybe possible" and MS Office on
> Wine which I understood will never work on z/Series since Wine only
> intercepts Windows API calls but runs still the Intel code of the
> application.
>
> Let's see what can be done.
>
> Kind regards,
> Florian
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:48 PM, David Boyes  wrote:
>
>> On 6/7/10 2:40 PM, "Gentry, Stephen" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I'll add my 2 cents.  Since Open Office is heavy on the Java part and
>> > therefore cpu intensive, I wouldn't think it would be a good candidate
>> > to run on the z platform.  I suppose if you had enough ponies, i.e.,
>> > mips then it could be usable.
>> > I use it here but it's more to show that it will run.
>>
>> If you're just using it for document conversion, you can run it in batch
>> mode, which is dramatically less CPU-intensive, as it doesn't have to
>> initialize all the GUI overhead stuff. It's still not as light as a plain
>> C
>> app would be, but it's acceptable.
>>
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Re: Open Office 3.2 on SLES 11 for s390x

2010-06-07 Thread Florian Bilek
Dear all,

Thank you all for your contributions.

I will study that deeper. I think also that the GUI of OO will not be
needed. But the software comes from a third party and up to now I didn't had
the opportunity to speak with them. I saw their prereq list and there was
either Open Office, which seems to me as "maybe possible" and MS Office on
Wine which I understood will never work on z/Series since Wine only
intercepts Windows API calls but runs still the Intel code of the
application.

Let's see what can be done.

Kind regards,
Florian

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:48 PM, David Boyes  wrote:

> On 6/7/10 2:40 PM, "Gentry, Stephen" 
> wrote:
>
> > I'll add my 2 cents.  Since Open Office is heavy on the Java part and
> > therefore cpu intensive, I wouldn't think it would be a good candidate
> > to run on the z platform.  I suppose if you had enough ponies, i.e.,
> > mips then it could be usable.
> > I use it here but it's more to show that it will run.
>
> If you're just using it for document conversion, you can run it in batch
> mode, which is dramatically less CPU-intensive, as it doesn't have to
> initialize all the GUI overhead stuff. It's still not as light as a plain C
> app would be, but it's acceptable.
>
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Re: Open Office 3.2 on SLES 11 for s390x

2010-06-07 Thread David Boyes
On 6/7/10 2:40 PM, "Gentry, Stephen" 
wrote:

> I'll add my 2 cents.  Since Open Office is heavy on the Java part and
> therefore cpu intensive, I wouldn't think it would be a good candidate
> to run on the z platform.  I suppose if you had enough ponies, i.e.,
> mips then it could be usable.
> I use it here but it's more to show that it will run.

If you're just using it for document conversion, you can run it in batch
mode, which is dramatically less CPU-intensive, as it doesn't have to
initialize all the GUI overhead stuff. It's still not as light as a plain C
app would be, but it's acceptable.

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Re: Open Office 3.2 on SLES 11 for s390x

2010-06-07 Thread Gentry, Stephen
I'll add my 2 cents.  Since Open Office is heavy on the Java part and
therefore cpu intensive, I wouldn't think it would be a good candidate
to run on the z platform.  I suppose if you had enough ponies, i.e.,
mips then it could be usable.
I use it here but it's more to show that it will run.
Steve

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making a scene'."



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Subject: Open Office 3.2 on SLES 11 for s390x

Dear all,

I would like to know if there exists an OpenOffice 3.2 port for s390x.

I got a request from my management to convert documents in a sort of
batch
mode on SLES 11. One of the prerequisites is OpenOffice.
 Does somebody have already experience with this? Even a beta version
would
be sufficient since it is only a proof of concept.

Thank you very much in advance.

Kind regards,

Florian

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Re: Open Office 3.2 on SLES 11 for s390x

2010-06-07 Thread Bruce Furber
Yes I was surprised to find it 



http://download.openoffice.org/other.html 


- "Florian Bilek"  wrote: 
> Dear all, 
> I would like to know if there exists an OpenOffice 3.2 port for s390x. 
> I got a request from my management to convert documents in a sort of batch 
> mode on SLES 11. One of the prerequisites is OpenOffice. 
>  Does somebody have already experience with this? Even a beta version would 
> be sufficient since it is only a proof of concept. 
> Thank you very much in advance. 
> Kind regards, 
> Florian 
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Re: Open Office 3.2 on SLES 11 for s390x

2010-06-07 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On 
> Behalf Of Florian Bilek
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 12:00 PM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Open Office 3.2 on SLES 11 for s390x
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I would like to know if there exists an OpenOffice 3.2 port for s390x.
> 
> I got a request from my management to convert documents in a 
> sort of batch
> mode on SLES 11. One of the prerequisites is OpenOffice.
>  Does somebody have already experience with this? Even a beta 
> version would
> be sufficient since it is only a proof of concept.
> 
> Thank you very much in advance.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Florian

OpenOffice stores all its output in ODF. Depending on what you really want to 
do, it might be possible to find a more suitable program to convert your 
documents from  to ODF format that scripting up OpenOffice.

So, I guess the first question is: What format(s) is/are the source documents 
in? A Google search on that and ODF might find something which is specifically 
designed to do the conversion. Which might be easier to port that OOo.

Personal opinion in the above, of course. 

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Open Office 3.2 on SLES 11 for s390x

2010-06-07 Thread Florian Bilek
Dear all,

I would like to know if there exists an OpenOffice 3.2 port for s390x.

I got a request from my management to convert documents in a sort of batch
mode on SLES 11. One of the prerequisites is OpenOffice.
 Does somebody have already experience with this? Even a beta version would
be sufficient since it is only a proof of concept.

Thank you very much in advance.

Kind regards,

Florian

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Re: Open Office

2009-11-20 Thread Shockley, Gerard C
I will take a look. 

We have been running Openoffice and performing simulations for over a
week.  Seems to actually behave quite well (light CP, IO,MEM).

The process reads multiple document types (.doc, .docx, etc) and creates
a .pdf for business units.

Gerard


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>>> On 11/13/2009 at  3:35 PM, "Shockley, Gerard C" 
wrote: 
-snip-
> Send me an account for linuxvm.org and I will post the "work in 
> progress".

I don't have the ability to create accounts on the z/VM system that
hosts the web site.  If you meant the Wiki, you can just create your own
account there.


Mark

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Re: Open Office

2009-11-19 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 11/13/2009 at  3:35 PM, "Shockley, Gerard C"  wrote: 
-snip-
> Send me an account for linuxvm.org and I will post the "work in
> progress".

I don't have the ability to create accounts on the z/VM system that hosts the 
web site.  If you meant the Wiki, you can just create your own account there.


Mark

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Re: Open Office

2009-11-15 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Rich Smrcina  wrote:

> The outcome of Bernie's experiment will certainly be interesting.  The
> cost-efficiency will be a huge factor; essentially how may 'office
> suites' can be displaced on an IFL.  If 300 people (for instance) can
> use OO.o on s390x, some (possibly small) fraction of them may be in use
> at any one time.

You would also need something to bring the GUI from your Linux guest
to the end user. You certainly don't want the end-user to have a pure
X-server on this desk. Even for something like VNC you need to be
pretty stubborn to enjoy it. I'd expect a web-based office suite (like
Google Docs) with the back-end on s390 would be more competitive.

No idea how useful Citrix is these days with modern connectivity. Must
be reasonable since many people use that. I used it back then on
dial-up connections and found it just workable because you could not
get there otherwise (like running Windows office applications on the
Linux desktop). Are the Linux solutions comparable with that?

Obviously for headless operation like Gerard mentions, these issues don't count.

Rob

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Re: Open Office

2009-11-15 Thread Rich Smrcina

Rodger Donaldson wrote:

As I mentioned in our Bisbane presentation, we found that for our WAS
apps, we were seeing that an IFL ran roughly the same performance as a
single core on a 3GHz Core2 Intel chip, so it's not especially surprising.

Of course, whether this represents a cost-efficient use of Z hardware is
another question entirely.




The outcome of Bernie's experiment will certainly be interesting.  The
cost-efficiency will be a huge factor; essentially how may 'office
suites' can be displaced on an IFL.  If 300 people (for instance) can
use OO.o on s390x, some (possibly small) fraction of them may be in use
at any one time.

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Re: Open Office

2009-11-15 Thread Rodger Donaldson
On Mon, November 16, 2009 05:44, Rich Smrcina wrote:
> That's interesting.  But thinking about it, and if you take raw clock
> speed (Rob will be rolling his eyes right about now) the z9 is slightly
> faster than your T60.
>
> I sit corrected.

As I mentioned in our Bisbane presentation, we found that for our WAS
apps, we were seeing that an IFL ran roughly the same performance as a
single core on a 3GHz Core2 Intel chip, so it's not especially surprising.

Of course, whether this represents a cost-efficient use of Z hardware is
another question entirely.

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Re: Open Office

2009-11-15 Thread Rich Smrcina

That's interesting.  But thinking about it, and if you take raw clock
speed (Rob will be rolling his eyes right about now) the z9 is slightly
faster than your T60.

I sit corrected.

Andrew Avramenko wrote:

BTW, on my z9 machine it works much faster than on IBM T60 with 2Gb of mem ;-)

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Re: Open Office

2009-11-13 Thread Shockley, Gerard C
Try this :

OOo311/OOO310_m19 #./configure --with-stlport --with-jdk-home=$JDK_HOME
--disable-mozilla 
--disable-gconf --disable-gnome-vfs --disable-gtk  

Gerard 


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2009/11/13 Bernie VK2KAD
> Has anyone had any luck installing OpenOffice on SUSE10 SP2
>
> I have managed to get the ./configure past a number of hurdles but now

> I'm stuck with a GTK2 dependency - am I embarking on an exercise in 
> futility or is there light to be had in this tunnel ???


It is difficult to build it but possible, I've done that one year ago.
Just use the latest version (3.*).

BTW, on my z9 machine it works much faster than on IBM T60 with 2Gb of
mem ;-)

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Re: Open Office

2009-11-13 Thread Shockley, Gerard C
The build works > but is a work in progress. 
Was only a small migraine to get it to configure and build.  No Mozilla
support only using .doc to .pdf creation via jdoc in headless mode.

I will make my notes available on that also.   
Built rpms. Part of the build process. 

Actually not extremely large...
usLinux en-US/RPMS# du -hs
146M.

RPMs unwind into /opt

>
Did not build the desktop-integration piece (sles) as I'm running JDOC
and soffice in headless mode.
>>
Nov10   0:00 /bin/sh /opt/openoffice.org3/program/soffice -headless
-accept=socket,host=0,port=8100;urp; -nofirststartwizard
>>


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openoffice.org3-dict-es-3.1.1-9420.s390x.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2145266 Nov  1 13:58
openoffice.org3-dict-fr-3.1.1-9420.s390x.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2076 Nov  1 13:58
openoffice.org3-draw-3.1.1-9420.s390x.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root38831 Nov  1 13:58
openoffice.org3-en-US-3.1.1-9420.s390x.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2102 Nov  1 13:58
openoffice.org3-impress-3.1.1-9420.s390x.rpm
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openoffice.org3-math-3.1.1-9420.s390x.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2089 Nov  1 13:58
openoffice.org3-writer-3.1.1-9420.s390x.rpm

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Send me an account for linuxvm.org and I will post the "work in
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-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of
Mark Post
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:49 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Open Office

>>> On 11/13/2009 at  9:48 AM, "Shockley, Gerard C" 
wrote: 
> I have it running in headless mode.
> 
> Build from sources with OOo311.
>

Re: Open Office

2009-11-13 Thread Andrew Avramenko
2009/11/13 Bernie VK2KAD
> Has anyone had any luck installing OpenOffice on SUSE10 SP2
>
> I have managed to get the ./configure past a number of hurdles but now I'm
> stuck with a GTK2 dependency - am I embarking on an exercise in futility or
> is there light to be had in this tunnel ???


It is difficult to build it but possible, I've done that one year ago.
Just use the latest version (3.*).

BTW, on my z9 machine it works much faster than on IBM T60 with 2Gb of mem ;-)

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Re: Open Office

2009-11-13 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 11/13/2009 at  9:48 AM, "Shockley, Gerard C"  wrote: 
> I have it running in headless mode.
> 
> Build from sources with OOo311.
> 
> Sles10.

If you want to generate an RPM and SRPM, I'll put that up on linuxvm.org, huge 
as it will be.


Mark Post

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Re: Open Office

2009-11-13 Thread Shockley, Gerard C
I have it running in headless mode.

Build from sources with OOo311.

Sles10.


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-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of
Rich Smrcina
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:09 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Open Office

If you mean SLES10 on z... why?  It will run much better on your laptop,
netbook or desktop.

Bernie VK2KAD wrote:
> Has anyone had any luck installing OpenOffice on SUSE10 SP2
>
> I have managed to get the ./configure past a number of hurdles but now

> I'm stuck with a GTK2 dependency - am I embarking on an exercise in 
> futility or is there light to be had in this tunnel ???
>
> Bern
>
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Re: Open Office

2009-11-12 Thread Rich Smrcina

If you mean SLES10 on z... why?  It will run much better on your laptop,
netbook or desktop.

Bernie VK2KAD wrote:

Has anyone had any luck installing OpenOffice on SUSE10 SP2

I have managed to get the ./configure past a number of hurdles but now I'm
stuck with a GTK2 dependency - am I embarking on an exercise in futility or
is there light to be had in this tunnel ???

Bern

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Open Office

2009-11-12 Thread Bernie VK2KAD
Has anyone had any luck installing OpenOffice on SUSE10 SP2

I have managed to get the ./configure past a number of hurdles but now I'm
stuck with a GTK2 dependency - am I embarking on an exercise in futility or
is there light to be had in this tunnel ???

Bern

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