Re: Anyone has experience on selling zLinux at fixed price?
It might be a good idea to have a burst out option. I.e., that once in a while the cap can be exceeded without triggering an extra charge. (My cell phone plan has this arrangement for one month after 6 months of staying within the limit.) This can enhance customer satisfaction while still restraining resource abusers. --henry schaffer On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:42 AM, Agblad Tore tore.agb...@volvo.com wrote: Thank's, that sounds like a good idea. Yes we have such tools, that is no problem. BR /Tore Tore Agblad zOpen Teamleader IT Services Volvo Group Headquarters Corporate Process IT Assar Gabrielssons väg 9 SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden E-mail: tore.agb...@volvo.com http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: den 25 februari 2015 5:45 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Anyone has experience on selling zLinux at fixed price? I've looked at the amazon and google chargeback models. One of their options is a fixed price until some number of CPU hours is exceeded. This allows the 'easy' fixed fee, but also controls the resource abuser. You would have to have tools in place to alert the abuser that they have gone beyond their allotted resource consumption. On 2/23/2015 5:02 AM, James Vincent wrote: Hello! There are going to be a lot of ideas on how to do charging all the way from we don't charge back to we charge by the micro-process. Fixed-price charging is good for very well contained zLinux servers. Using SHARE ABSOLUTE and even CPU POOLING can help with this. CPU POOLING is really good if you are thinking of mixing those fixed-resource servers with high-performance or premium services servers. There are pros and cons to fixed price charging. A pro is it is MUCH easier than any other kind of charging (other than no-cost!). A con is that some folks may think they are being charged too much if they really don't use it that much or that heavy, and some may not be thrilled being capped when they want to run something heavy for a short while. We use a variable rate based on consumption for most of our servers. We also have lab servers that are contained within SHARE ABS. We have processes to cap non-premium production servers when they get out of hand and the entire processor has been running in the high 90's for CPU. We use zVPS to collect all the data for the processor/LPARs and the zLinux servers to evaluate what they are up to every minute. Using that data, we are able to charge-back to the business units based on what they consume by process/application. There is a small base charge for just having a server, then the use of resources adds to it. This was all built over the last 10 years and we are still tuning it! Figuring out what your business will accept for charging is the hard part. Between the knobs in z/VM and performance monitoring/collecting tools available, you can make it work the way you need it. -- *James Vincent* -- President, SHARE Inc. -- Calendar: http://tinyurl.com/JSVCalWeek -- SHARE is an independent volunteer-run information technology association that provides *education*, professional *networking *and industry *influence* On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Agblad Tore tore.agb...@volvo.com wrote: This seems to be the biggest hinder for most people to start using Linux on z. Anyone having done this ? There is a number of options to limit cpu and resources, SHARE and setting max memory for example. Is this helping out here ? BR /Tore Tore Agblad zOpen Teamleader IT Services Volvo Group Headquarters Corporate Process IT Assar Gabrielssons väg 9 SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden E-mail: tore.agb...@volvo.com http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390
Re: Anyone has experience on selling zLinux at fixed price?
Thank's, that sounds like a good idea. Yes we have such tools, that is no problem. BR /Tore Tore Agblad zOpen Teamleader IT Services Volvo Group Headquarters Corporate Process IT Assar Gabrielssons väg 9 SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden E-mail: tore.agb...@volvo.com http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: den 25 februari 2015 5:45 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Anyone has experience on selling zLinux at fixed price? I've looked at the amazon and google chargeback models. One of their options is a fixed price until some number of CPU hours is exceeded. This allows the 'easy' fixed fee, but also controls the resource abuser. You would have to have tools in place to alert the abuser that they have gone beyond their allotted resource consumption. On 2/23/2015 5:02 AM, James Vincent wrote: Hello! There are going to be a lot of ideas on how to do charging all the way from we don't charge back to we charge by the micro-process. Fixed-price charging is good for very well contained zLinux servers. Using SHARE ABSOLUTE and even CPU POOLING can help with this. CPU POOLING is really good if you are thinking of mixing those fixed-resource servers with high-performance or premium services servers. There are pros and cons to fixed price charging. A pro is it is MUCH easier than any other kind of charging (other than no-cost!). A con is that some folks may think they are being charged too much if they really don't use it that much or that heavy, and some may not be thrilled being capped when they want to run something heavy for a short while. We use a variable rate based on consumption for most of our servers. We also have lab servers that are contained within SHARE ABS. We have processes to cap non-premium production servers when they get out of hand and the entire processor has been running in the high 90's for CPU. We use zVPS to collect all the data for the processor/LPARs and the zLinux servers to evaluate what they are up to every minute. Using that data, we are able to charge-back to the business units based on what they consume by process/application. There is a small base charge for just having a server, then the use of resources adds to it. This was all built over the last 10 years and we are still tuning it! Figuring out what your business will accept for charging is the hard part. Between the knobs in z/VM and performance monitoring/collecting tools available, you can make it work the way you need it. -- *James Vincent* -- President, SHARE Inc. -- Calendar: http://tinyurl.com/JSVCalWeek -- SHARE is an independent volunteer-run information technology association that provides *education*, professional *networking *and industry *influence* On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Agblad Tore tore.agb...@volvo.com wrote: This seems to be the biggest hinder for most people to start using Linux on z. Anyone having done this ? There is a number of options to limit cpu and resources, SHARE and setting max memory for example. Is this helping out here ? BR /Tore Tore Agblad zOpen Teamleader IT Services Volvo Group Headquarters Corporate Process IT Assar Gabrielssons väg 9 SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden E-mail: tore.agb...@volvo.com http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Anyone has experience on selling zLinux at fixed price?
I've looked at the amazon and google chargeback models. One of their options is a fixed price until some number of CPU hours is exceeded. This allows the 'easy' fixed fee, but also controls the resource abuser. You would have to have tools in place to alert the abuser that they have gone beyond their allotted resource consumption. On 2/23/2015 5:02 AM, James Vincent wrote: Hello! There are going to be a lot of ideas on how to do charging all the way from we don't charge back to we charge by the micro-process. Fixed-price charging is good for very well contained zLinux servers. Using SHARE ABSOLUTE and even CPU POOLING can help with this. CPU POOLING is really good if you are thinking of mixing those fixed-resource servers with high-performance or premium services servers. There are pros and cons to fixed price charging. A pro is it is MUCH easier than any other kind of charging (other than no-cost!). A con is that some folks may think they are being charged too much if they really don't use it that much or that heavy, and some may not be thrilled being capped when they want to run something heavy for a short while. We use a variable rate based on consumption for most of our servers. We also have lab servers that are contained within SHARE ABS. We have processes to cap non-premium production servers when they get out of hand and the entire processor has been running in the high 90's for CPU. We use zVPS to collect all the data for the processor/LPARs and the zLinux servers to evaluate what they are up to every minute. Using that data, we are able to charge-back to the business units based on what they consume by process/application. There is a small base charge for just having a server, then the use of resources adds to it. This was all built over the last 10 years and we are still tuning it! Figuring out what your business will accept for charging is the hard part. Between the knobs in z/VM and performance monitoring/collecting tools available, you can make it work the way you need it. -- *James Vincent* -- President, SHARE Inc. -- Calendar: http://tinyurl.com/JSVCalWeek -- SHARE is an independent volunteer-run information technology association that provides *education*, professional *networking *and industry *influence* On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Agblad Tore tore.agb...@volvo.com wrote: This seems to be the biggest hinder for most people to start using Linux on z. Anyone having done this ? There is a number of options to limit cpu and resources, SHARE and setting max memory for example. Is this helping out here ? BR /Tore Tore Agblad zOpen Teamleader IT Services Volvo Group Headquarters Corporate Process IT Assar Gabrielssons väg 9 SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden E-mail: tore.agb...@volvo.com http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Anyone has experience on selling zLinux at fixed price?
Hello! There are going to be a lot of ideas on how to do charging all the way from we don't charge back to we charge by the micro-process. Fixed-price charging is good for very well contained zLinux servers. Using SHARE ABSOLUTE and even CPU POOLING can help with this. CPU POOLING is really good if you are thinking of mixing those fixed-resource servers with high-performance or premium services servers. There are pros and cons to fixed price charging. A pro is it is MUCH easier than any other kind of charging (other than no-cost!). A con is that some folks may think they are being charged too much if they really don't use it that much or that heavy, and some may not be thrilled being capped when they want to run something heavy for a short while. We use a variable rate based on consumption for most of our servers. We also have lab servers that are contained within SHARE ABS. We have processes to cap non-premium production servers when they get out of hand and the entire processor has been running in the high 90's for CPU. We use zVPS to collect all the data for the processor/LPARs and the zLinux servers to evaluate what they are up to every minute. Using that data, we are able to charge-back to the business units based on what they consume by process/application. There is a small base charge for just having a server, then the use of resources adds to it. This was all built over the last 10 years and we are still tuning it! Figuring out what your business will accept for charging is the hard part. Between the knobs in z/VM and performance monitoring/collecting tools available, you can make it work the way you need it. -- *James Vincent* -- President, SHARE Inc. -- Calendar: http://tinyurl.com/JSVCalWeek -- SHARE is an independent volunteer-run information technology association that provides *education*, professional *networking *and industry *influence* On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Agblad Tore tore.agb...@volvo.com wrote: This seems to be the biggest hinder for most people to start using Linux on z. Anyone having done this ? There is a number of options to limit cpu and resources, SHARE and setting max memory for example. Is this helping out here ? BR /Tore Tore Agblad zOpen Teamleader IT Services Volvo Group Headquarters Corporate Process IT Assar Gabrielssons väg 9 SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden E-mail: tore.agb...@volvo.com http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
