Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays
Thanks again. I'm not sure if Gnome was there originally or snuck in during the SP1 upgrade, but I'm glad its gone. If I knew the characteristics of a Gnome-style screen I would have had a clue! However, supportconfig appears to be a good diagnostic tool in cases like these. Those are good points about the unneeded drivers. If they are small it might not be worth the effort to rebundle and test everything. But if there are lots of them, you get the nickel-and-dime effect. Ray Mrohs -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:14 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays On 8/6/2008 at 3:04 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] V, Mrohs, Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have 2 SLES10 SP1 servers. When I start yast2 on the first linux, the xterm screen shows a long scrolling list of selections, and its slow. On the second linux, the Control Center display is compact and all on one screen, and its faster. Where should I look for the cause of the differences? This turned out to be a difference in what RPMs were installed. The long scrolling list was from yast2-control-center-gnome package, but there were also 40+ other GNOME RPMs installed. Some applications (Oracle applications among them) require some GNOME components to be installed, but that wasn't the case here. Removing the GNOME RPMs sped things up, and saved some disk space. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays
Hmmm.. getting rid of YaST :-) I confess I'm not a big YaST fan so it doesn't seem a great loss.. (please don't flog me - people rarely agree with me on this) Congrats on getting rid of alsa!! I don't want the s390x distro to depart so much from other platforms that it becomes a financial (labor) burden -- but it's hard not to chuckle when you see sound, usb, wireless, etc drivers being pulled in on a z. I've never explored how the hardware driver world worked within Linux, but an 'exclude' list based on hardware platform would be nice. (390x: sound=no wireless=no, etc) It's probably much more complicated than that - ignorance really is bliss... Scott Rohling On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Marcy Cortes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's impossible to get rid of some of these things too. Sound drivers, wireless, usb, pci utils, other things pre-req these type of things and in the deleting them you get to a point that yast itself would have to go too. Although I did manage to get rid of alsa! Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Rohling Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:47 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays Hmm.. a sound card on a z .. I've often grumbled that the s390x distros need to exclude drivers for devices that don't even exist on a z .. (or maybe we can direct it to the HMC PC to entertain the ops folks? ;-) Scott Rohling -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays
Scott Rohling wrote: Hmmm.. getting rid of YaST :-) I confess I'm not a big YaST fan so it doesn't seem a great loss.. (please don't flog me - people rarely agree with me on this) Congrats on getting rid of alsa!! I don't want the s390x distro to depart so much from other platforms that it becomes a financial (labor) burden -- but it's hard not to chuckle when you see sound, usb, wireless, etc drivers being pulled in on a z. I've never explored how the hardware driver world worked within Linux, but an 'exclude' list based on hardware platform would be nice. (390x: sound=no wireless=no, etc) It's probably much more complicated than that - ignorance really is bliss... I'm surprised a kernel configuration allows one to select USB, sound, wireless etc. I've just been inspecting Kconfig files in a Fedora kernel, and it _looks_ like USB should not be configurable. Scott Rohling On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Marcy Cortes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's impossible to get rid of some of these things too. Sound drivers, wireless, usb, pci utils, other things pre-req these type of things and in the deleting them you get to a point that yast itself would have to go too. Although I did manage to get rid of alsa! Maybe the dependency appreciation needs improvement. RPM support %ifarch to allow architecture-dependent selection and configuration. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays
On system A: echo $TERM xterm chkconfig alsasound alsasound on System B has the same responses. Ray Mrohs -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stricklin, Raymond J Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 3:06 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays -Original Message- From: Mrohs, Ray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No. They still look different. System A shows all the elements on a scrolling screen. System B shows just the elements for the active category. System A gets these messages: # yast2 lnxm500:~ # ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' On systems A and B, what is the difference in output from these two commands, if any? echo $TERM chkconfig alsasound ok r. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays
On 8/25/2008 at 9:35 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mrohs, Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. They still look different. System A shows all the elements on a scrolling screen. System B shows just the elements for the active category. -snip- System B does not get these messages. Both work, but system B looks better and is faster. I can send pictures if you like. Yes, please. Off-list of course. If you would, also, please go to http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tools/16106.html and download the ntsutils RPM. Install it, run the supportconfig command that is in it. Do this on both systems, and send me both tarballs that you get. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays
On 8/6/2008 at 3:04 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mrohs, Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have 2 SLES10 SP1 servers. When I start yast2 on the first linux, the xterm screen shows a long scrolling list of selections, and its slow. On the second linux, the Control Center display is compact and all on one screen, and its faster. Where should I look for the cause of the differences? This turned out to be a difference in what RPMs were installed. The long scrolling list was from yast2-control-center-gnome package, but there were also 40+ other GNOME RPMs installed. Some applications (Oracle applications among them) require some GNOME components to be installed, but that wasn't the case here. Removing the GNOME RPMs sped things up, and saved some disk space. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays
It's impossible to get rid of some of these things too. Sound drivers, wireless, usb, pci utils, other things pre-req these type of things and in the deleting them you get to a point that yast itself would have to go too. Although I did manage to get rid of alsa! Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Rohling Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:47 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays Hmm.. a sound card on a z .. I've often grumbled that the s390x distros need to exclude drivers for devices that don't even exist on a z .. (or maybe we can direct it to the HMC PC to entertain the ops folks? ;-) Scott Rohling -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays
Hello! I agree! It seems an interesting dilemma as to why these items are being included. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Rohling Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:47 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays Hmm.. a sound card on a z .. I've often grumbled that the s390x distros need to exclude drivers for devices that don't even exist on a z .. (or maybe we can direct it to the HMC PC to entertain the ops folks? ;-) Scott Rohling -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays
No. They still look different. System A shows all the elements on a scrolling screen. System B shows just the elements for the active category. System A gets these messages: # yast2 lnxm500:~ # ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: No such device ALSA lib confmisc.c:1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such device ALSA lib conf.c:3961:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device ALSA lib pcm.c:2111:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default System B does not get these messages. Both work, but system B looks better and is faster. I can send pictures if you like. Ray Mrohs -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:09 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays On 8/6/2008 at 3:04 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] V, Mrohs, Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have 2 SLES10 SP1 servers. When I start yast2 on the first linux, the xterm screen shows a long scrolling list of selections, and its slow. On the second linux, the Control Center display is compact and all on one screen, and its faster. Where should I look for the cause of the differences? Did you ever get this figured out? While I can't say I recommend running X or VNC applications on System z, they should still work properly. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays
-Original Message- From: Mrohs, Ray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No. They still look different. System A shows all the elements on a scrolling screen. System B shows just the elements for the active category. System A gets these messages: # yast2 lnxm500:~ # ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' On systems A and B, what is the difference in output from these two commands, if any? echo $TERM chkconfig alsasound ok r. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays
On 8/6/2008 at 3:04 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mrohs, Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have 2 SLES10 SP1 servers. When I start yast2 on the first linux, the xterm screen shows a long scrolling list of selections, and its slow. On the second linux, the Control Center display is compact and all on one screen, and its faster. Where should I look for the cause of the differences? Did you ever get this figured out? While I can't say I recommend running X or VNC applications on System z, they should still work properly. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
