Re: VSE 2.7 - interesting
You're absolutely right. I remember being at the product announcement gathering (when they had such things) and the speaker got up in front and said something to the effect that IBM will never release VSE/XA. There was a low moan and murmur throughout the crowd. Then they said that VSE/ESA was due to be released and there was much clapping and cheering. It could happen... but I won't be holding my breath. On Thursday 20 February 2003 02:10 pm, you wrote: > Rich, I recall people saying the same thing about VSE/XA. They were right > their never was a VSE/XA it jumped right to VSE/ESA without going through > the XA like MVS/XA and VM/XA did. That may happen again. Someday we will > have ?/VSE to go with the ?/VM that replaced z/VM. > > Stephen Frazier > Oklahoma Department of Corrections -- Rich Smrcina Sr. Systems Engineer Sytek Services, A Division of DSG Milwaukee, WI [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Catch the WAVV! Stay for Requirements and the Free for All! Update your S/390 skills in 4 days for a very reasonable price. WAVV 2003 in Winston-Salem, NC. April 25-29, 2003 For details see http://www.wavv.org
Re: VSE 2.7 - interesting
Rich, I recall people saying the same thing about VSE/XA. They were right their never was a VSE/XA it jumped right to VSE/ESA without going through the XA like MVS/XA and VM/XA did. That may happen again. Someday we will have ?/VSE to go with the ?/VM that replaced z/VM. Stephen Frazier Oklahoma Department of Corrections -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:35 PM To: Linux on 390 Port Subject: Re: VSE 2.7 - interesting I take such a narrow view. The feature set of IBM products is based somewhat on customer demand. Up until recently there haven't been that many VSE shops big enough to have 64-bit hardware, let alone shops that are big enough to need a VSE system larger than 2GB. The need just isn't there at this point. As much as it would be nice to say z/VSE, I would much rather IBM devote development time and research into better performance for VSE and additional features. On Wednesday 19 February 2003 06:55 am, you wrote: > > OK, so what's so interesting? > > > > On Tuesday 18 February 2003 12:09 pm, you wrote: > > > http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/usalets&parms=H_203-043 > > > > > > Linux on zSeries is central to the VSE strategy and vision. VSE/ESA > > > Version 2 Release 7 will not support 64-bit addressing. Because > > > protection of extensive existing core VSE investments is a key > > > objective for VSE/ESA Version 2 Release 7, there is no need for 64-bit > > > addressing in VSE itself. > > I read the first part of that last sentence as saying: "We're having > trouble keeping VSE support going as it is, without worrying about 64-bit." > > From practical point of view, it's an early sign that we've reached the > page of the map with the end of the road on it. -- Rich Smrcina Sr. Systems Engineer Sytek Services, A Division of DSG Milwaukee, WI [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Catch the WAVV! Stay for Requirements and the Free for All! Update your S/390 skills in 4 days for a very reasonable price. WAVV 2003 in Winston-Salem, NC. April 25-29, 2003 For details see http://www.wavv.org
Re: VSE 2.7 - interesting
I'll take this moment to say that the first sentence of my reply should have been: I don't take such a narrow view. As far as the 'line' goes, there is still a barrier of sorts in z/VM. What is called the 2GB 'bar'. It will take some time for the 'bar' to be as transparent as the 'line' (16MB) is today. The same will happen with VSE, if the development gets that far. The process is traditionally incremental, not shotgun. On Thursday 20 February 2003 11:50 am, you wrote: > Rich Smrcina wrote: > > I take such a narrow view. The feature set of IBM products > > is based somewhat on customer demand. Up until recently there haven't > > been that many VSE shops big enough to have 64-bit hardware, let alone > > shops that are big enough to need a VSE system larger than 2GB. The need > > just isn't there at this point. > > As much as it would be nice to say z/VSE, I would much rather > > IBM devote development time and research into better performance for VSE > > and additional features. > > What ever becomes the z/VSE release I just hope it no longer has a "line" > that I have to worry about crossing! ;) > > Bill Stermer > ACS - City of Anaheim -- Rich Smrcina Sr. Systems Engineer Sytek Services, A Division of DSG Milwaukee, WI [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Catch the WAVV! Stay for Requirements and the Free for All! Update your S/390 skills in 4 days for a very reasonable price. WAVV 2003 in Winston-Salem, NC. April 25-29, 2003 For details see http://www.wavv.org
Re: VSE 2.7 - interesting
Rich Smrcina wrote: > I take such a narrow view. The feature set of IBM products > is based somewhat on customer demand. Up until recently there haven't been > that many VSE shops big enough to have 64-bit hardware, let alone shops that are > big enough to need a VSE system larger than 2GB. The need just isn't there > at this point. > As much as it would be nice to say z/VSE, I would much rather > IBM devote development time and research into better performance for VSE > and additional features. > What ever becomes the z/VSE release I just hope it no longer has a "line" that I have to worry about crossing! ;) Bill Stermer ACS - City of Anaheim
Re: VSE 2.7 - interesting
I take such a narrow view. The feature set of IBM products is based somewhat on customer demand. Up until recently there haven't been that many VSE shops big enough to have 64-bit hardware, let alone shops that are big enough to need a VSE system larger than 2GB. The need just isn't there at this point. As much as it would be nice to say z/VSE, I would much rather IBM devote development time and research into better performance for VSE and additional features. On Wednesday 19 February 2003 06:55 am, you wrote: > > OK, so what's so interesting? > > > > On Tuesday 18 February 2003 12:09 pm, you wrote: > > > http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/usalets&parms=H_203-043 > > > > > > Linux on zSeries is central to the VSE strategy and vision. VSE/ESA > > > Version 2 Release 7 will not support 64-bit addressing. Because > > > protection of extensive existing core VSE investments is a key > > > objective for VSE/ESA Version 2 Release 7, there is no need for 64-bit > > > addressing in VSE itself. > > I read the first part of that last sentence as saying: "We're having > trouble keeping VSE support going as it is, without worrying about 64-bit." > > From practical point of view, it's an early sign that we've reached the > page of the map with the end of the road on it. -- Rich Smrcina Sr. Systems Engineer Sytek Services, A Division of DSG Milwaukee, WI [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Catch the WAVV! Stay for Requirements and the Free for All! Update your S/390 skills in 4 days for a very reasonable price. WAVV 2003 in Winston-Salem, NC. April 25-29, 2003 For details see http://www.wavv.org
Re: VSE 2.7 - interesting
> OK, so what's so interesting? > > On Tuesday 18 February 2003 12:09 pm, you wrote: > > http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/usalets&parms=H_203-043 > > > > Linux on zSeries is central to the VSE strategy and vision. VSE/ESA Version > > 2 Release 7 will not support 64-bit addressing. Because protection of > > extensive existing core VSE investments is a key objective for VSE/ESA > > Version 2 Release 7, there is no need for 64-bit addressing in VSE itself. I read the first part of that last sentence as saying: "We're having trouble keeping VSE support going as it is, without worrying about 64-bit." >From practical point of view, it's an early sign that we've reached the page of the >map with the end of the road on it. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 +49 173 6242039
Re: VSE 2.7 - interesting
The Impire comes back again -- Carlos Alberto Bodra Becher VM/VSE System Consultant Sco Paulo - SP - Brasil
Re: VSE 2.7 - interesting
OK, so what's so interesting? On Tuesday 18 February 2003 12:09 pm, you wrote: > http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/usalets&parms=H_203-043 > > Linux on zSeries is central to the VSE strategy and vision. VSE/ESA Version > 2 Release 7 will not support 64-bit addressing. Because protection of > extensive existing core VSE investments is a key objective for VSE/ESA > Version 2 Release 7, there is no need for 64-bit addressing in VSE itself. > Instead, many of the newer applications that require very large address > spaces are likely to be more appropriate for Linux. Therefore, the > combination of VSE/ESA Version 2 Release 7, Linux for zSeries, z/VM Version > 4 Release 2, or later, and IBM zSeries is strategically significant. > > VSE/ESA Version 2 Release 7, along with Linux for zSeries and z/VM Version > 4 Release 2, or later, may be an attractive solution for larger VSE > customers who do not consider themselves candidates for z/OS in the short > term. > > Hmmm. -- Rich Smrcina Sr. Systems Engineer Sytek Services, A Division of DSG Milwaukee, WI [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Catch the WAVV! Stay for Requirements and the Free for All! Update your S/390 skills in 4 days for a very reasonable price. WAVV 2003 in Winston-Salem, NC. April 25-29, 2003 For details see http://www.wavv.org
Re: VSE 2.7 - interesting
What did you expect? They still haven't completely rid VSE of 24 bit addressing limitations. Garry E. Ward Senior Software Specialist Maritz Research, Automotive Research Group 419-725-4123 -Original Message- From: Phil Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VSE 2.7 - interesting http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/usalets&parms=H_203-043 Linux on zSeries is central to the VSE strategy and vision. VSE/ESA Version 2 Release 7 will not support 64-bit addressing. Because protection of extensive existing core VSE investments is a key objective for VSE/ESA Version 2 Release 7, there is no need for 64-bit addressing in VSE itself. Instead, many of the newer applications that require very large address spaces are likely to be more appropriate for Linux. Therefore, the combination of VSE/ESA Version 2 Release 7, Linux for zSeries, z/VM Version 4 Release 2, or later, and IBM zSeries is strategically significant. VSE/ESA Version 2 Release 7, along with Linux for zSeries and z/VM Version 4 Release 2, or later, may be an attractive solution for larger VSE customers who do not consider themselves candidates for z/OS in the short term. Hmmm. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 +49 173 6242039 Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you.
