Linux-Advocacy Digest #428
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 15:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Windows makes good coasters (Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=) Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 compatible w/MS Office 97/2000? (Igor Sobrado) Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (spicerun) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: My plan worked! (Donn Miller) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Edward Rosten) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Donn Miller) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Roberto Alsina) Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS (Bob Tennent) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Tom Wilson) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (chrisv) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Linux still not ready for home use. (Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (chrisv) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 compatible w/MS Office 97/2000? (BSD Bob the old greybeard BSD freak) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Tom Wilson) From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:25:07 +0200 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It continues to amaze me that the ONLY people having these sorts of absolute failures under Windows are linux users. Are linux users that univerally inadept at running Windows? No, rather involent. It only took me months to snip Your system has to be so broken to fail a burn on a current gen burner - Of course, I'm sure this support isn't in linux yet... Really people - at least learn how to setup and use an OS before attempting to disparage it. My OS set up by itself mainly. It is well documented. Friendly people from all over the world help me if I am out of ideas. But I will think of your kind advice. Can anyone tell my why this guy is so upset? Are you afraid, Jan? Why does the ignorance of this group nauseate you that much? Are you OK? Relax and enjoy the OS you've chosen. And try to have fun with it. Cheers, Burkhard -- = Burkhard Wölfel v e r s u c h s a n s t a l t (at) g m x . de pubkey for this adress @ pgp.net = -- From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:27:22 +0200 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] something missing in my preceding post: It only took me months to get not used to it again. -- = Burkhard Wölfel v e r s u c h s a n s t a l t (at) g m x . de pubkey for this adress @ pgp.net = -- From: Igor Sobrado [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 compatible w/MS Office 97/2000? Date: 11 May 2001 17:33:32 GMT In alt.solaris.x86 BSD Bob the old greybeard BSD freak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, there is a need to become workingly proficient in both the *roff and the TeX systems in any good UNIX environment. I don't see either of those going away, anytime soon. The *roffs are quick and dirty, and are the default ascii output engines, plus they do a very respectible typesetting job, a few things given in change. [...] TeX and company are the masters of the big typesetting department. But, it requires a bit of a learning curve to learn the nuances. Hi, Bob. I agree with you. TeX is probably the best option for serious typesetting but *roff tools have important advantages that should be considered. For example *roff are available in all Unix implementations (the same happens with ed and vi) but TeX is not available everywhere (like happens with emacs). I do not know *roff a lot (I only used it to send man pages to a PostScript laser printer). I will learn it now! I am sure it will be really useful for me too. Best regards and thanks to all for these useful advices! Igor. -- Igor Sobrado, UK34436 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: spicerun [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:20:55 -0500 In article HnUK6.31563$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong question, Matthew. Similar to asking what Win2k can do that Linux can't, it misses the point that Office is the dominant product today. The primary question you
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 02:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Entry-level *ix positions?? (Donn Miller)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? ("JS PL")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("JS PL")
Re: Entry-level *ix positions?? (Chad Everett)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("RTO Trainer")
How to profit from your Linux background (Oxford)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Ray Chason)
Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? (667 Neighbor of the Beast)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Dave Martel)
Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing? (Jasper)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Big Daddy)
Article: Microsoft excludes world+dog from Passport climb-down (Dave Martel)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 23:49:33 -0400
From: Donn Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Entry-level *ix positions??
Donn Miller wrote:
But, there are other headers which are Messenger-specific, such as:
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
Oops, forgot to add
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==
http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
=== Over 80,000 Newsgroups = 16 Different Servers! ==
--
From: "JS PL" jspl@jsplom
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:54:52 -0400
"667 Neighbor of the Beast" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
During the trial it was made clear that MS frequently offered nearly
free server software for ISP's if they promised to get at least 75% of
their customers to use IE.
I don't remember that being brought up at the MS lynchierr...trial. It
sounds like bullshit. An ISP can't "promise to get" 75% of their customers
to use anything! That's like saying a gas station can "promise to get" 75%
of their customers to drive a Ford. It's assinine.
But suppose microsoft actually did give away their OS and server software,
SO WHAT!! Who's business is it? Or shall I say, who's property is it to give
away? Not yours? How is it your concern. Hundreds of thousands of companies
give away products every minute of every day, are you the Grand Overseer of
giveaways?
--
From: "JS PL" jspl@jsplom
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:05:25 -0400
"Ray Chason" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"JS PL" jspl@jsplom wrote:
"Ray Chason"
Microsoft has money. I don't.
That's the main beef the anti-ms crowd has with Microsoft.
Quoting me out of context is not the most intelligent response in
the world, even if it is about what I expect from Wintrolls.
I like to think of it as reading between the lines./ Here's quoting out of
context:
it's a *good* thing that Microsoft can effectively
buy a suit?
"Ray Chason" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
message
Quoting me out of context is not the most intelligent response in
the world, even if it is about what I expect from Wintrolls. Or are
you arguing that it's a *good* thing that Microsoft can effectively
buy a favorable outcome in a lawsuit?
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: Entry-level *ix positions??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 6 Apr 2001 22:32:43 -0600
The point is that all this is doable and reading news logged into a
home server is prefectly comfortable with a dial-in connection to
a home system that has a link to a newsserver.
To help make my point: I have added the additional header lines that
you have included in your post. Look at the header of this post.
It was made from a linux box running slrn, but it the posting
app has been altered to put header lines identical to those of
Mr. Kulkis.It was very easy to do.
I think it is clear that this is all very easily done. It took me
about 5 minutes to add the extra lines you point out...I even included
the:
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
line from your other post.
Chad Everett wrote:
sily modified my "X-mailer:" entry in this message (check it out) to
exactly match that of Mr. Kulkis'. I am actually posting this message with
slrn on a linux box and I am accessing the linux box remotely.
But, there are other headers which are Messenge
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428, Volume #32 Fri, 23 Feb 01 10:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: How much do you *NEED*? ("Karel Jansens")
Re: Interesting Google Facts! ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls. ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Is innovation a blessing? (was Interesting article) (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Maximum Linux Magazine Is Going Out Of Business Ha Ha Ha ("Osugi Sakae")
Re: State of linux distros (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: The Windows guy. (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ("Chad Myers")
Re: Interesting Google Facts! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (chrisv)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American ("Donal K.
Fellows")
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (chrisv)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] ("Seán Ó
Donnchadha")
Re: Maximum Linux Magazine Is Going Out Of Business Ha Ha Ha ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: "Linux Usage Linked to AMD Damage" - MSN RD Division Customer Alert
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From: "Karel Jansens" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How much do you *NEED*?
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:23:47 -0100
In article 973tfe$eqg$[EMAIL PROTECTED], "Angel Iglesias"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So with Microsoft software you pay _twice_.
It depends on how complex are you requirements.
Hey, _you_ claimed linux needs IT fees to keep it running. If that is
true for linux, it is true square for Windows.
If my linux requirements aren't complex, I won't need an IT department.
Unstable drivers will freeze anything. What kind of argument is that?
At least with linux, you can choose to leave out unstable drivers
Just answering to an argument like this with another equal.
You mentioned "kernel instable drivers", implying that they are compiled
into the kernel. This would mean that Windows has instable drivers in the
kernel as well (although in windows they would probably be called DLLs or
APIs or whatever), hence:
How do I recompile Windows?
What kind of question is this ? Why should I want to ? Do you think
that by compiling your kernel unstable drivers switch onto stable ones ?
If I were to discover that my linux distro was compiled with an instable
driver in the kernel, I can always take it apart and fix it. Recompiling
a linux kernel is not exactly rocket science and anyone who can read
should be able to do it.
I therefore repeat my question to you: How do I remove the instable bits
from Windows' kernel?
Only if you insist on tinkering. A properly configured linux system for
business use hardly needs any updating at all. Heck, it doesn't even
need reboots.
It DOES need reboots (I assure you), obviously much more less that
Windows; anyway, a properly configured Windows is the argument a
Winvocate would tell you ...
I reboot my linux system only for tinkering. A friend of mine does not
like tinkering, and he hasn't rebooted since he had linux installed, some
six months ago.
A "properly configured Windows system" _will_ decay until a reboot is
necessary; heck, even Microsoft themselves admit that publicly. Granted,
some Windows versions decay more slowly than others, but they all get
ripe eventually.
It _does_ mean something if a badly behaving application can take the
entire computer down.
Outlook virii under NT/2000 don't use to do that if properly
configured
system.
Are you sure?
Viri, troyans and worms are a risc to any computer; at least with
linux, they only affect the careless/dumb/gullible user and not the
rest of the system.
The same for a well set up Windows.
Hey, it's your ass if you choose to believe that.
And we can't stop laughing with all the dumb idiots who _still_ pretend
that their Windows is stable hehehe :-)
I do not pretend Windows is stable. I pretend is not as unstable as
it is usually said in here ... and keep on laughing about a lot of
things
...
"Not as unstable" is eerily reminiscent of "a little bit pregnant".
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==
"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
==
--
From: "Donal K. Fellows" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Interesting Google Facts!
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:24:25 +
Charlie Ebert wrote:
Do a search on "Windows" - You see 24,900,000 references.
How are you filtering out non-computer uses of the term?
Dona
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428, Volume #31 Fri, 12 Jan 01 22:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: KDE Hell (T. Max Devlin)
Re: KDE Hell (T. Max Devlin)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source (pip)
Re: Why does Win2k always fail in running time? ("Adam Warner")
Re: A salutary lesson about open source (pip)
Re: KDE Hell ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance ("Chad Myers")
Re: KDE Hell ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Linux Mandrake 7.2 and the banana peel ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Mandrake 7.2 and the banana peel ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: KDE Hell
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 02:15:11 GMT
Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 12 Jan 2001
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:18:32 GMT, T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
When I put exec kwm at the end of .xinitrc file I get kde.
No, you get kwm, I would think.
kde/kwm/ who the fuck cares?
Why, everyone who uses either, I would think, at least. Not that the
distinction is always important to them, but in public discussions, you
should be specific. There really is no reason to encourage ignorance
purposefully, you know.
I'm an end user, not a programmer. I look at the screen and use what
is on it and I could care less where it came from or what the
technical jargon is for it.
The reason programmers care about where what came from and what the
proper term for it is, really isn't any different from end users. I
think you meant to say "I'm ignorant and I want to stay ignorant."
Which is fine, but you ought'nt be reading Usenet, then.
I either like it or I don't.
And if you like it, how do you know what to get more of, if you don't
know which is which?
I get all of those nice little title bars and such and it looks just
like kde which looks like a cheap Windows clone.
You can split hairs all you want, it sucks whatever it is called.
Which? KDE, or kwm? How am I to know which to avoid (or not, given the
source of the opinion) if you don't know which is which? Perhaps you
ought'nt be posting to Usenet, either.
You haven't a clue of the subject as a whole. Then again, neither does
Roberto; he trumpets KDE because he's a big fan who stands to profit
from the deal. I'm not sure why Donovan's concerned that we not confuse
kwm with KDE. Me, I've still got a bad taste in my mouth from Windows,
and would just as soon avoid KDE, simply because it *is* the default, in
so many implementations. Maybe I'll just have to resign myself to being
the pain-in-the-ass who insists on running contrary to the trend. But
we'll see when we get there.
So what have YOU done for Linux? As I understand it Roberto wrote krn
which is a nice News Reader.
I just gave Redhat a few bucks. HTH.
While I disagree with most of what Donovan says, at least he doesn't
write a thesis of convoluted rhetoric in reply to every post.
Yes, I find his text to be far more concise and readable, as well.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 02:20:10 GMT
Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 12 Jan 2001
18:11:30 GMT;
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Said Donovan Rebbechi in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 8 Jan 2001 21:10:41
GMT;
On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 03:35:45 GMT, T. Max Devlin wrote:
KDE, KDE, KDE. Its all I hear about any more. Why do I hear so much
about KDE?
Because it's at the core of several Linux GUI applications (the only
thing that comes close is GNOME which you probably hear even more about)
That's my point; I don't. All I hear about is KDE and Konquerer and
kthis and kthat. I haven't heard a single thing about GNOME for months.
That rock you live under must gather moss at a quick pace.
No, you're mistaken again, Roberto. I've been looking around, and there
are many more mentions of kde and k-apps. Perhaps its merely that they
are so identifiable, branded, if you will, while GNOME users might well
stick with more 'classic GNU' stuff.
Nobody's jumped in, I've noticed, to point out how GNOME's array of
graphical interface desktop tools stacks up to KDE's.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
From: pip [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 02:22:09 +
Conrad R
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428, Volume #30 Sun, 26 Nov 00 03:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (mark)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Les Mikesell")
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 02:04:02 -0500
Chad Mulligan wrote:
"mark" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Curtis wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote...
Indeed, quite a lot of functionality has been withheld from those
computer
users and they don't even know what they are missing. I'll bet if
they
have a huge list of names in
Last, First
format and wanted
First Last
they would retype the whole thing since they don't have:
:%s/\(.*\), \(.*\)/\2 \1/
or any reasonable equivalent. Their loss. And it would be
mine if that is all I had.
Actually, what I do in Win2k here is fire up my TextPad, open the search
and replace tool, enable regex's and for the search expression:
^\([[:word:]]+\), \([[:word:]]+\) or
I could use your expression to be less precise
\(.*\), (.*\)
and the replacement expression
\2, \1
I hit 'replace all' and I'm done. If I feel I have to do this on more
occasions, I just create a macro to do it with one programmable shortcut.
Whereas I go to the pub and buy a pint with the money that I didn't give
to Microsoft :)
To bad you wouldn't have the time, what with all the arcane tasks needed to
keep a UNIX healthy.
Um...every morningremove, label, and store last night's backup tape.
Every afternoon...insert new backup tape in tape drive.
I think that about covers it.
[Clue for the fucking clueless...the daily, weekly, and monthly
maintenance is all taken care of automagically by the cron
facility...which runs any program you want according to any
schedule you want]
Mark
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 01:07:48 -0600
"Les Mikesell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:_y1U5.24883$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"Chad Mulligan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:pJST5.5581$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
The nice thing about Unix is that the defaults are relatively
safe,
and offer NO opportunity for one person to remove another's files.
Interestingly, it's a nice thing that windows (on NTFS) can do as
well.
Unix had this from the Very Start.
Why did it take Microsoft over 15 years to come up with similar
functionality?
Because in the bad old days, none of the systems were connected to
others
nor were they connected to the outside world,
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428, Volume #29Tue, 3 Oct 00 17:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: How low can they go...? ("James A. Robertson")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond (Michael Marion)
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ("David T. Johnson")
Re: How low can they go...? ("James A. Robertson")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Double standard? ("MH")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: How low can they go...? ("James A. Robertson")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Erik Funkenbusch")
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes)
Date: 3 Oct 2000 20:10:25 GMT
On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:04:35 -0400, David T. Johnson wrote:
OFF-TOPIC IDIOTS!
Fuck off, idiot.
Same to you.
Hey -- that was off topic !
Welcome to the "off topic idiots" club. ( if you can't beat 'em,
join 'em, eh ? )
--
Donovan
--
From: "James A. Robertson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:10:53 GMT
Peter van der Linden wrote:
James A. Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You haven't mentioned the main reason I stopped arguing - Mr. Revusky is
tiresome. He has one mode (non listening attack), and I got real tired
of that real fast.
It is pretty clear to most people that the real reason you
won't debate the matter is that you do not have the intellectual
depth behind your "gut feelings".
Hmm - yet another brilliant response. I can add you to my personal list
of tiresome people.
--
James A. Robertson
Technical Product Manager (Smalltalk), Cincom
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library
--
From: Michael Marion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix rules in Redmond
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:13:46 GMT
Drestin Black wrote:
Actually you are wrong on both counts. YOu would be much better served
(performance and price wise) running two 100 mb/s NICs than a single Gb NIC.
I would run 4 NICs, 2 teamed pairs load balanced. But you'd have to
understand high end networking
Well we've got multiple NetApp filers with close to (and a few over) 1TB on
them. These filers are RAID'd, do NFS and CIFS, and are hammered with high
usage 24/7. They perform much better on Gb then even quad trunked (or
individual) 100Mb. If you're not seeing good performance from Gb adapters,
then you either have sub-par NICs or your OS isn't using them efficiently.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc. -
http://www.miguelito.org
"...In my phone conversation with Microsoft's lawyer I copped to the fact that
just maybe his client might see me as having been in the past just a bit
critical of their products and business practices. This was too bad, he said
with a sigh, because they were having a very hard time finding a reporter who
both knew the industry well enough to be called an expert and who hadn't
written
a negative article about Microsoft." -- Robert X. Cringely
--
From: "David T. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:17:24 -0400
Marty wrote:
"David T. Johnson" wrote:
Marty wrote:
"David T. Johnson" wrote:
People who post on this thread are posting about subjects that have
nothing to do with the newsgroups to which they are posting. They are
polluting these newsgroups with posts based on topics that belong in
other newsgroups. The posters are apparently unable to identify the
appropriate newsgroups and I therefore bestow upon them the title of
OFF-TOPIC IDIOTS!
Congratulations to all of you.
He's not only the club President, he's also a member!
Your typical garbled, illogical, nonsensical comment.
Maybe you should do some work on that "Grad School in Texas" thread.
Reading comprehension problems? How ironic, given you grammatically incorrect
statements.
Your 'given you grammatically incorrect statements' is itself
grammatically incorrect which is even more ironic. But what should
anyone expect from someone whose thoughts are so poorly formed that he
writes illogical,
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428, Volume #28 Tue, 15 Aug 00 20:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Roberto Alsina) Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company (tinman) Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Stephen S. Edwards II) Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (Roberto Alsina) From: Roberto Alsina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:00:18 -0300 "Colin R. Day" escribió: Roberto Alsina wrote: "Colin R. Day" escribió: I don't think so. To be responsible for what we value, we would have to be able to discern the correctness of our values. For instance, if I knew that doing A is wrong, yet I valued A, I would have an internally inconsistent value system. We have to make attempt to discern the correctness of our values. And what is wrong with acting contrary to one's values? It's unethical? On a internally inconsistent value system, anything goes, so my position regarding ethics will still call it unethical, since both doing A and not doing it would be against my values. But why should one worry about being ethical by such a standard? You have to have SOME standard. Also, what if one's values are themselves inconsistent? Then you are in trouble. If you define what actions are ethical in a different way, then we are talking about different things, and of course we will disagree. But what you mean by ethics would make it trivial. Ok. How do YOU define ethics? If your definition is better, I will be happy to adopt it. Ethics is the study of how we should choose values and pursue them. To restrict ethics to the pursuit of values, but not the choice of values trivializes ethics, because one can justify any action as long as the actor is pursuing what he values. What do we use to choose values, if not preexisting values? The choice of values is then trivially reduced to the pursuit of values. Cognition. How does cognition lead to the decision that eating the dead is not right? So, you accept you are ethically equivalent to a cannibal, or not? No, I don't accept it. And what justification would you have for saying that I am so equivalent to a cannibal? I say you both are equivalent because you both act (in principle) according to your ethics. Now, you say you are ethically superior to a cannibal. Why? Because I don't accept your alleged "ethics" in the first place. Cool, stop arguing then. We are talking about different things. Depends on what you are comparing with. Better than Norway? In many ways. Think about it. If Greece didn't have a warm climate, and slavery, what are the chances of finding a numerous group of adult healthy men wandering around olive groves discussing nature for days and years? Sorry, most other ancient civilizations were also in warm climates, so again you fail to explain how the Greeks did what they did. Again, necessary != sufficient. Again, no explanation. WHAT? Ok, here's a longer version: you brought the greek's lack of inquisition as a cause for greek philosophy, and somehow tried to blame renaissance western europeans for not trying to be greek philosophers. I merely mentioned that there are many necessary and not sufficient reasons for greek philosophy, including slavery and nice weather. Thus, by your argument, they may have needed to drop the inquisition and adopt slavery, while moving to the south. Ok. Now, you said "if they must blind themselves". You assume that the inquisitors knew first that the acts of the inquisition would be wrong, and then blinded themselves. That would indeed be evil. That is also probably something that didn't happen. If that had happened, I would agree it was unethical, because they would KNOW they were doing something bad. We kinda agree here, really. How could they have avoided knowing it? Because of bad education, and the reigning morality of the age. And who ran the educational system? None other than the Catholic Church itself. And the persons who were members of the church's educational system were in the exact same situation. Oops. Torture was not considered bad. Why restrict something not bad? Why didn't they consider it bad? Because at the time the perceived benefits of torture appeared as bigger than its drawbacks. And why did they "perceive" it that way? Education and the reigning morality of the age,
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428, Volume #27Sun, 2 Jul 00 17:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Petition for Microsoft (Jacques Guy)
Re: where to download C# compiler for Linux? (Andres Soolo)
Re: We WANT different enviroments (Was: Linux, easy to use? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box? (Re: I'm Ready! I'm ready! I'm not ready.)
(Jonadab the Unsightly One)
Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box? (Re: I'm Ready! I'm ready! I'm not ready.)
(Jonadab the Unsightly One)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Petition for Microsoft ("Paul E. Larson")
Re: Why Linux, and X.11 when MacOS 'X' is around the corner? (abraxas)
Re: Linux code going down hill (abraxas)
Re: Linux, easy to use? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Pete Goodwin)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: I'm Ready! I'm ready! I'm not ready. (Ray Chason)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go?
Date: 2 Jul 2000 13:12:54 -0500
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Ray Chason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I call up your "dump the pump" website nothing special happens. I
get invited to boycott petrol stations on August 1st, which I am not
going to do.
Your headers show:
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586)
If this is what you used to load dumpthepump then that's why it worked.
This is specifically a bug in kfm -- not Linux, not XFree86, not KDE, but
kfm.
If you understand that, why did you mention the stability
of Linux in describing the bug?
Whatever article you read, It must not have been one that I wrote.
Sorry, I lost track of the thread depth and thought you were
Pete, who originally claimed:
"Everyone is telling me how Linux(1) is more reliable than Windows. Well,
here's one for you."
Even though this is clearly a kfm bug.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 18:50:08 +
From: Jacques Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Petition for Microsoft
"Paul E. Larson" wrote:
It should be illegal to not understand business and then blame the competition
for understanding it.
Quite. Ugg like have big club. Club wee chap with big club.
Smash skull.
Gd! Good biz. Wee chap no like? Bd! "Where my club?"
Ugg say.
"Ah, here my club. I take club, smash skull. Is biz.
God!"
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From: Andres Soolo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: where to download C# compiler for Linux?
Date: 2 Jul 2000 18:58:01 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
any one knows where I can download C# for Linux?
Same place where you can download it for Windows :-)
That of course would be ftp://fud.vaporware.microsoft.net
My, would Microsoft support such an open protocol as FTP?
The right place is apparently fud://vaporware.microsoft.dot-net.com :-)
--
Andres Soolo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There was an old man of Alsace
Who played the trombone with his ass.
He put in a trap
To take out the crap,
But the vapors corroded the brass.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: We WANT different enviroments (Was: Linux, easy to use?
Date: 2 Jul 2000 14:12:59 -0500
In article 395eb57b$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Rich C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only place this is a real problem is when you are in a
form with a fixed-size input buffer. Otherwise you just paste
the replacement before deleting the existing item if you forgot
to start by deleting the target. Or for reasonably small
fields like URL's, just left-click to position at the start
of the target and use the delete key to get rid of the
part you want to replace before pasting.
Yes, but it requires a separate operation to delete the "replaced" text; it
can't be done in one operation.
But the alternative requires a separate operation to copy the
text so you don't really have more steps.
I admit that the "habit" I'm trying to break
is in fact a Wimp-dows one, but it is still more awkward to me. Like I said,
I'd rather learn the more convenient if less universal alternatives.
Once you change habits, you'll find yourself forgetting to copy
the selected item under MS-windows and complaining about that
extra step, especially when you paste something instead that
just happens to still be lingering on the clipboard.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Subject: Re: Hardware: ideal bu
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428, Volume #26Tue, 9 May 00 21:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: computer viruses on LINUX (Nic)
Re: Microsoft invents XML! (Marty)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (tinman)
Re: What have you done? ("John Hill")
Re: Microsoft invents XML! ("David T. Johnson")
Re: This is Bullsh^%T!!! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: This is Bullsh^%T!!! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Let's POLL! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: news: Oracle $199 web device, runs on linux, not windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: computer viruses on LINUX (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software ("Erik Funkenbusch")
From: Nic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: computer viruses on LINUX
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:14:54 +1200
abraxas wrote:
The Ghost In The Machine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, abraxas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote on 8 May 2000 17:49:39 GMT 8f6unj$2n2r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
JEDIDIAH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8 May 2000 07:59:01 -0700, david parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
JEDIDIAH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
GNOME already barks at you for running as root.
Oh, so Gnome is nannyware? Good, that's another reason to keep it
off my systems.
...only barks if you're DUMB enough to run a desktop as root.
Ahh...the psychology of a nannyware advocate...
There are actually a few reasons to run X as root, briefly.
Eh?
What's wrong with
$ xhost +localhost
If its a multiuser system and not just a personal workstation, this can
lead to trouble.
Yep, can do - hence I use this instead:
$ su -
Enter password: .
# export DISPLAY=localhost:0
# x-configuration-thingy
$ su -
# xauth merge ~myuser/.Xauthority
# export DISPLAY=:0.0
# xthingy
To a degree, I don't mind programs _warning_ me that they shouldn't run
as root, but I don't like them _stopping_ me from doing so. As you said,
there are occasions where it is useful.
Regards,
Nic.
--
J. Random Coder sky at wibble dot net
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From: Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft invents XML!
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:14:33 GMT
"David T. Johnson" wrote:
Marty wrote:
rj friedman wrote:
On Mon, 8 May 2000 19:40:46 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (billy
ball) wrote:
ÿHopefully you're rolling your eyes at David Ignatius, the writer of that
ÿpiece ?
ÿignatius is a shill for M$, and the Washington Post *repeatedly* runs
ÿpro-Microsoft articles... i've emailed the ombudsman and received *no*
ÿresponses...
One thing to keep in mind is that MS has a whole series of
paid writers who write "news" articles and get them
published as "freelancers" - hiding the fact that the
"reporter" is literally bought and paid for by MS.
Any particular examples or evidence, or are you just talking out of your ass
as usual?
Here's a link to one report of Microsoft's phony "astroturf" campaign in
4/98.
http://www.utoledo.edu/~pfritz/_news/NEWS-442.HTM
Thank you. Now I'm just left wondering if RJ could have come up with that.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tinman)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:17:10 -0400
In article
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
WickedDyno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
I think we made the fatal error of using Windows PCs and Macintoshes.
OS/2 PCs are the only things that could save us, right Bob? Not to
mention kicking out all those E-Ville homosexuals and L*b*r*l D*m*cr*ts.
I just want to know what country club he belongs to, sounds like a great
chance for a really good road trip..
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tinman
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From: "John Hill" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What have you done?
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:27:36 +0100
Chad Myers wrote in message 8f9hgn$g9t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Is there a reason why you must continue your circle jerk of
moronic babbling in COMNA? Shouldn't you contain this FUD
and idiocy to COLA where it belongs? Thanks.
-Chad
P.S.- we use NT/Exchange and didn't have one problem.
What do you use it for ? Seems like a waste of hardware. Doubt
your problems ever come in ones
"Seán Ó Donnchadha" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Tim Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Using Micro$oft Shitware is
like prison gang rape, and the winvocates are analogous to peo
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428, Volume #25 Mon, 28 Feb 00 14:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: IE on UNIX ("Christopher Smith")
Re: IE on UNIX ("Chad Myers")
Re: IE on UNIX ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: How does the free-OS business model work? ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: IE on UNIX ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Microsoft's New Motto (was: TPC-C Results for W2k!! ("Chad Myers")
Re: Microsoft's New Motto (was: TPC-C Results for W2k!! (Joe Ragosta)
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K ("Chad Myers")
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K (Wolfgang Weisselberg)
Re: 3 out of 4 PCs do not need browsers ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Ext2 Limitations, or *CLAIMED* Limitations (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K ("Drestin Black")
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K ("Drestin Black")
Re: Giving up on NT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From: "Christopher Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IE on UNIX
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 04:03:20 +1000
"The Ghost In The Machine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Leslie Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote on 27 Feb 2000 22:08:48 -0600 89cscg$17ls$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
In article kvgu4.2620$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What does this have to do with ext2 being a crappy filesystem and it's
needing to be replaced/overhauled?
NTFS will work fine in just about every situation, whereas, ext2 will
not
due to major, glaring limitations.
Ummm, try letting that NTFS fill completely with subdirectories
of tiny files. Then delete them and wonder why you don't get
the space back...
And it fragments like crazy, directories can't move while defragmenting,
and the control area will grow and grow and grow unchecked during
the aforementioned filling of the file system with tiny little files.
(Diskeeper Lite is a useful tool... :-) )
To be fair, it should be possible to put an ext2+ file system (the
+ is because NT needs ACLs) on NT. It would require some sort of
DLL (of course). The main problem here is documentation; I've seen
'fsdext2' for Windows which allows read-only access to ext2 partitions.
I also wouldn't mind seeing a fragment display on Linux, as well.
It might give the NT folks something to compare to. :-)
I have always been highly suspicious of the "fragmentation" reports produced
by Diskeeper. Mainly because the performance difference of every machine
I've ever tested between "95% fragmented" and "5% fragmented" was
nonexistant.
NTFS *may* "fragment", but IME it doesn't affect performance at all.
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From: "Chad Myers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IE on UNIX
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:03:05 -0600
"Christopher Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:89ed99$vba$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"5X3" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:89dvgr$4in$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Neat. I wonder why that USB camera I have constantly bluescreens W2K.
I get the impression your electric shaver could bluescreen it...
However, that same shaver works in 2.3.48 with the development drivers
and a kernel recompile. Oh yeah, make sure you have glibc 1.12.1.34.1.1.3
and edit your blah.conf file, and then recompile again. Then you have to
compile the driver and ... (and on and on...)
-Chad
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IE on UNIX
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:14:23 -0600
Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
99%? What world do you live in? I would rate it more like 40%, and
then
mostly video, network and storage drivers. How many Video Capture cards
work in NT? only a handful. How many Winmodems? How many Windows
Printers/scanners? How many TV Tuner cards? How many Sound cards?
I've been using NT4 for about 3 years now, and the only problem I ever
had was with DVD hardware. That was resolved in a couple of months by
Creative.
Every single scanner, modem and sound card has worked (although some
sound cards have given me headaches with isapnp). In fact, NT4 has
been much more reliable than Windows95 was on the same hardware.
And how many scanners, modems and sound cards have you used? There are
literally hundreds of cards out there, thousands in some cases.
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