Linux-Advocacy Digest #433
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 19:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Good Tex Pdf Files was Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS (Etienne Detriot)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Roberto Alsina)
Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (John Travis)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (The Ghost In The Machine)
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:33:23 -0400
Burkhard Wölfel wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > If the overwhelming majority of men were truly bisexual, as you claim,
> > then why what reason would that be?
> >
>
> Read any Kinsey report
Kinsey was a fraud. Even his own department at IU says so.
> Read anything by Freud on general psychology
Dr. Fraud is equally discredited.
> > >
> > > I rather easily pointed this out and gave some example reasons,
> > > showing you to be the illogical dumbass we all knew you were anyway,
> > > so now all you can do is start swearing at me. How quaint.
> >
> > Maybe it's for the same reason that even though getting a lot of
> > money is a very popular idea, very few people actually rob banks.
> >
> > It's not THOUGHTS about robbing banks that gets you thrown in
> > the klink, its THE ACT.
>
> Explain, is hallucinating about cocks and asses OK but not the sport or
> what?
I don't care what you think about, just as long as you don't
violate the behavioral code.
>
> >
> > By your dumbass definition, 99% of the population are band robbers.
>
> This is so funny, perhaps you should read Aristotle and some other
> Greeks too, not only on logic, btw.
Standard engineering procedure is to check to see if the conclusion
violates any of the original assumptions.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Wind
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 13:13:02 EDT
Contents:
TeX pdf output was Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? (Steve
Bellenot)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing? (Goldhammer)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Wodger)
Re: XP = eXPerimental ("Ermine Todd III")
Re: NT is stagnant while Linux explodes (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a (Martin Eden)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Bellenot)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: TeX pdf output was Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000?
Date: 7 Apr 2001 15:06:38 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Richard L. Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Agree preferring some of the old to some of the new. But I really _hate_
>the cruddy, almost unreadable fonts one typically sees in TeX generated
>PostScript. They don't look quite so bad on paper, but at mere screen
>resolutions, they're dreadful.
Indeed they can be, but they don't have to be. Here are a couple of
easy fixes:
http://www.math.fsu.edu/~bellenot/web/pdf.html
--
http://www.math.fsu.edu/~bellenot
bellenot math.fsu.edu
+1.850.644.7189 (4053fax)
--
From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:25:24 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WGAF quoth:
> In some respect you're right, KDE can lock up as much as Windows :).
I've never that happen in v2.1. I have application crashes, and
application lockups ( so far, only knode in v2.1 ), but that is a
simple PS -A, kill PID. Or XKill.
> However, I disagree with
> your conclusion about the better integration with applications.
I said better integration between the browser and applications. Can
you specify that you want to use an image editor to open images in
IE? Can you select what application you'd like to use to view
source? Can you specify what mail client you'd like to use? Which
news client? How much configuration can you do on your key bindings?
Can you open zipped and gzipped files without uncompressing them?
Can you set HTTP user agent?
> One
> can't even copy/paste between application.
Simply untrue. The only application on my desktop that I do not have
full cut-and-paste capabilities with other applications is Mozilla.
And that's because the project made a poor choice of widget sets to
work with.
> Just because KDE looks
> like Windows it doesn't mean it acts like one in lot of respects.
Thank god for large favors.
> From the tipical end users perspective it doesn't really matter what
> the OS is. Most of them don't know it anyway. Nonetheless they get
> more usability out of Windows or more concisely from the
> applications running on Windows.
Not really. About the only microsoft application you can make a case
for being superior to its counterparts on linux is office. And even
that is open for debate. In terms of visual Office software, I
prefer ABI Word to office for word processing. Spreadsheets are
spreadsheets. The only real advantage office has is its presentation
software. Some people might justify spending a few hundred on that
piece of functionality. I cannot.
> there are
> lots of games, 10 zillion different text editor with little or no
> relation to each other. Not to mention all of the interesting
> looking apps what Linux has.
Holding aside the games ( since I don't use them ), my system came
configured out of the box with a screen magnifier for the visually
impaired. CD burning utilities, fax sender/viewer, babelfish,
advaned text editor, basic text editor, and a binary editor ( all
superior to their counterparts on windows ), postscript and pdf
viewers, the gimp ( you won't really try and compare MS paint to the
gimp, will you? ), screen capture software, ftp, chat, newsreaders,
email, html editors, word, illustrator, spreadsheets, calendar,
organizer, palm connectivity, and a host of other applications all
comparable or better than their counterparts on windows ( if they are
even available after a windows install ), and I don't even have half
of what I could have put on my desktop.
The graphical text editors in KDE are more similar than wordpad and
notepad. As for the non-graphical ones, jed, ed, sed, et al...
I suspect that you don't really know use the shell if you actually
believe that they have littl
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433, Volume #32 Fri, 23 Feb 01 15:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Into the abyss... ("Masha Ku'Inanna")
Re: Interesting article (Steve Mading)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Steve Mading)
Re: State of linux distros ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: State of linux distros ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft dying, was Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (The
Ghost In The Machine)
Re: The Windows guy. (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Steve Mading)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Steve Mading)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Steve Mading)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Mark Bratcher)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Steve Mading)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Steve Mading)
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ (Peter Hayes)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Peter Hayes)
Re: Amusing Aaron Kulkis Anagrams (Peter Hayes)
Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola? (Steve Mading)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Bob Hauck)
Re: Interesting article (Bob Hauck)
Re: Hilter Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Charlie Ebert)
From: "Masha Ku'Inanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Into the abyss...
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:06:14 -0500
Reply-To: "Masha Ku'Inanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I have yet to see software on and of the UNIX environments I have
tinkered
> > with that automatically refused to let you do something. WinME would not
let
> > me update certain drivers because of their "driver signing" feature that
> > keeps one from installing "rogue applications" or whatever. I had to
wrestle
> > with WinME to install a perfectly fine driver for a Soundblaster card
from a
> > Win98 CDROM.
>
> Since I develop audio device drivers, I have to install them long before
> the "signed driver" feature is available. However, it can be overridden
> and it certainly isn't as hard as you make it out to be.
>
No, it is quite simple to do, I agree.
That it exists at all was quite jarring for someone who knew what he was
doing, and suddenly had his OS tell him, "Um.. no." That first, it needed to
be signed by Microsoft, BUT this "protection" feature could be disabled.
> > One of my friends at CompUSA, a tech whom I'd worked with many times
> > explained it simply that Windows does a great job at assuming it is
smarter
> > than the user. UNIX does exactly what you tell it. Windows does what it
> > thinks you wanted it to do.
>
> I'm not sure I'd agree with that. Windows ME and later have added
> features to prevent you trashing system files, but I don't see that "it
> assumes it knows more than you" and acts accordingly.
>
Those new "features" suddenly made it diffiucult to run certain versions of
Norton AV to clean up a "system" file that was infected. Even though the
virus was able to overwrite said system file, Norton was not allowed to
overwrite it and clean it because it was an incompatible version with ME's
system-protection feature.
So I had to get the updated version.
I simply do not see the merits to "value-added features" that force you to
have to "upgrade" your other software just to run on that new platform.
When you have to wrestle with an OS just to get an upgrade to work
correctly, when one application installs under Win2k Pro but refuses to
install on Win2k Server (Norton systemworks 2001) because it is incompatible
(Win2k Server will not run all of the software that Pro will run even though
they are of the same exact family of NT based Windows), when that same
application has considerably less features when installed on 2k Pro vs
WinME, when at a system-lock you cannot regain control of your system
without having to force a reboot, even on a "multi-user, miltitasking"
version of Windows, I'd say the OS is a lot less transparent that it needs
to be and is over-riding quite a bit of control from the user, and is
"acting accordingly."
> I think Windows does exactly the same as UNIX. In UNIX you can do rm *
> and delete everything. In Windows, you can use Explorer to wipe
> everything, just as easily.
rm * will not erase everything. The so-called "system protection" feature
for Windows was added long after UNIX had already had the same kind of
protection for years. Unless you were root/had root access you simply could
not completely hose a UNIX machine with a simple command or an accidental
mouse-click.
Under WinME, playing the part of a completely naive non-admin user for
shits and giggles, I
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433, Volume #31 Sat, 13 Jan 01 09:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance (Edward Rosten)
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance (Edward Rosten)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source (Edward Rosten)
Re: Linux *has* the EDGE! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: You and Microsoft... ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: You and Microsoft... ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: The real truth about NT ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Call for developers: Living Object System (long) ("Robert J. Hansen")
Re: Helix Code changes name (Matthias Warkus)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source ("Jan Johanson")
Re: A salutary lesson about open source ("Jan Johanson")
Re: Windows 2000 (Russ Lyttle)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source ("Jan Johanson")
Re: Linux Mandrake 7.2 and the banana peel (Pete Goodwin)
From: Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 11:17:58 +
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Jan Johanson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> SWC is not a web server. Get it through your head!
>>>
>>> AND, remember, Tux beat windows by a whopping 2.7%
>>
>> You got the order of events wrong. Tux beat iis by more like 250% -
>> then, after months of frantic, all-out effort, the best microsoft could
>> do is come close to the Linux result with their new "benchmark buster"
>> product.
>
>
> we're talking about the results in 2000Q4 - 7500 vs 7300 - do the math.
>
>
>>> - woo hoo!!! A whole 2.7%
>>> and they had to go into kernel space to do it.
>>
>> Nope, tux ran in userspace for the specweb tests.
>
>
> Proof? Not denying, just asking for the proof, I don't see it in the specweb
> document.
>
>
>>> I have never seen Tux in production, IIS (and SWC) is out there.
>>
>> I've never seen swc, but Tux is available, for free - today.
>
>
> SWC is available right this second from MS and it's resellers. It's been
> available for some time, version 3 (which they used) is in final beta and
> will be released March (after further performance tweaking).
Yep, it's a beta product.
Tux was running on slightly inferior hardware (slower hard disks)
Linux still won by a bit
All the Linux software is avaliable _now_.
The software for windows is still beta.
And after all that, the windows stuff costs more
So how on earth is the windows stuff better in this case?
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? | u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies | @
| eng.ox.ac.uk
--
From: Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 11:24:29 +
> You are really dense aren't you? SWC is a web CACHE - do you know what the
> word cache means? Do you understand how a web cache works? Obviously not.
> Where do you think the pages the cache is supplying were generated? Do
> you think the cache created the pages??? HELLO???!!! Doh!!! IIS5 created the
> pages and if a static (keyword) page was requested again and it hadn't
> expired it was served by the cache and not by IIS, all the dynamic pages
> were served by IIS5 time and again.
Uh huh. You're the thick one being taken in by BS. If it generates its
own web pages (via its OWN dynamic API) then its a server. Calling it a
cache doesn't make it a cache. It may do caching as well, but it's also
a server.
Calling a server a cache to improve benchmark results does not make the
said server a cache.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold | Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? | u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies| @
| eng.ox.ac.uk
--
From: Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 11:48:59 +
Chad Myers wrote:
> "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:93m071$fip$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> http://www.interbase2000.org/
>>
>> InterBase was released as open source at the end of Ju
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433, Volume #30 Sun, 26 Nov 00 07:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: KDE2 (matt newell)
Re: Response to: MS Office sucks? So why is anyone using it? ("Adam Warner")
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? (Donn Miller)
Re: KDE2 (Donn Miller)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux + KDE2 + hello world = 8( (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The Sixth Sense (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Insite into Linux Kernel 2.4 (mark)
Re: Response to: MS Office sucks? So why is anyone using it? (mark)
Re: Response to: MS Office sucks? So why is anyone using it? (mark)
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? (mark)
Re: The Sixth Sense (Giuliano Colla)
From: matt newell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE2
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 01:38:39 -0800
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 11:42:26 -0800, matt newell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : : You are what I consider an idiot.
>
> You're certainly entitled to that opinion, however wrong it may be.
>
> : : KDE2 has a very powerfull ability to use themes. Themes can make your
> : system
> : : look however you want. It even supports gtk themes so it can look just
> : like
> : : gnome if that is what you would like. You critisize KDE without even
> : : exploring the options. What a shame.
>
> I'm well aware of the availability of themes. It's a shame that I have
> to hunt all over the net to find KDE2 themes that don't look like bad
> anime. It's also considered poor form to call someone an "idiot" when
> your own posting is full of spelling mistakes ("powerfull" and "critisize").
> I won't do you the same disservice. I may think your opinions are idiotic,
> but you're probably a reasonably intelligent person.
KDE2 comes with 15 themes, each of which can be configured using bg and fg
color settings. Also, all installed gnome themes are immediatly available to
use.
> Actually, the notebook on the other side of the room has the Debian Woody
> release installed on it. Yes, I have gone so far as to
> "apt-get install task-kde", as well as "apt-get install task-helix-gnome".
> KDE2 works, and while more pleasant to look at than KDE1, is still slow.
> The notebook in question is by no means a speed demon (P-133/48MB RAM), but
> while KDE2 crawls, Helix GNOME is bearable to use.
I have found KDE2 to be much more responsive on slower machines. Unfortunatly,
most KDE2 packages are compiled with exceptions enabled which takes a lot of
memory and processor time. This problem has since been solved and hopefully
will not occur in the future.
> It's a shame that KDE is written in C++.. C++ still doesn't have any
> reasonably standardized support on the Linux side of things. Witness
> the whole gcc 2.9x/3.0 debacle over ABIs and lack of binary compatability
> between releases. Shall we just statically link EVERYTHING? GNOME is
> written in C. If you're a C++ fanatic, use gtkmm and gnomemm, the C++
> bindings. KDE forces you to write in C++, C is not an option.
I have never had a problem with C++, issues regarding the ABI belong to the
gcc developers and I will respect their decision. Compilers only become
mature when they are tested, and KDE is proving that C++ is great for gui
programming and they are testing the compiler.
> BTW - KDE2 doesn't have anything as advanced as gnome-print,
QT's print model is much easier and more flexible that that of gnome. With
gnome you are force to rewrite all of your drawing code to print, while with
QT you just specify that the painter use a printer instead of a widget. No
drawing code changes are involved.
> gnome-vfs,
I assume that this stands for gnome- virtual file system. Does this mean a
filesystem within a file? What happened to mounting a using loopback.
> bonobo
KDE has kparts for embedable components and dcop for desktop communication.
> oaf medusa
I don't know what these are?
> or GConf.
Kcontrol.
> The root of the problem is all of the time
> that the KDE people wasted with QT. QT, while a technically sound library,
> was the stumbling block that caused GNOME and Gtk+ to be created. The
> project was for quite some time, a GPL violation - only fairly recently
> have they gotten their house in order.
The KDE project never
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433, Volume #29Tue, 3 Oct 00 20:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: GPL & freedom ("Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)")
Re: How low can they go...? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) (Marty)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: How low can they go...? (Jonathan Revusky)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) (Marty)
Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time? ("Ken
Blake")
The return of Drestin Lack-o-facts. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) (Marty)
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: GPL & freedom ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (T. Max Devlin)
From: "Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: GPL & freedom
Date: 3 Oct 2000 22:49:58 GMT
Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (comp.lang.java.advocacy)
|"Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
|>
|> Music will work the same way. Musicians will earn money from
|> their songs being played on the radio (service) and from concerts
|> (admission). You'll still get the copy free from Napster and the
|> artist will still make 'plenty' of money. Mp3.com is good
|> example of how this can work well.
|
| Hang on... so music, being free to copy, can be distributed
| freely. But you're saying that they get paid for radio play
| because it's a "service"? How in hell can that be? Or are you
| talking about a live performance on the radio?
Yes, companies that make money off the copyrighted music will have to
pay royalties. This is proper since, again, the copyright is about
*protecting* profits not creating them.
The service is the selection of what to play and the convenience of
it. Check out http://www.mp3.com/newartist/pforp.html -- $20,000 per
month for giving the music out free. This with a new, fast-growing
market existing in a free-music environment (napster)!
And the artist will actually benefit from competition to mp3.com,
since any competitors will have to offer artists better returns to
list their music with the new site. This favors profits going to the
artists instead of middlemen.
|> | Nice philosophy.
|>
| Well, go for it! Let me know how you do and I'll consider doing it
| myself.
|
| If, however, you find that the honest are outweighed by the greedy
| and dishonest 10:1, then don't cry. After all, you *told* us so.
There's no honesty or dishonesty involved in this model. I'd wager
that you are against it in part because it would mean Microsoft would
make money on continuous improvements instead of monopoly.
Jam (address rot13 encoded)
--
From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:46:51 -0700
"Jonathan Revusky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "James A. Robertson" wrote:
> >
> > Peter van der Linden wrote:
> > >
> > > James A. Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >You haven't mentioned the main reason I stopped arguing - Mr. Revusky
is
> > > >tiresome. He has one mode (non listening attack), and I got real
tired
> > > >of that real fast.
> > >
> > > It is pretty clear to most people that the real reason you
> > > won't debate the matter is that you do not have the intellectual
> > > depth behind your "gut feelings".
> >
> > Hmm - yet another brilliant response. I can add you to my personal list
> > of tiresome people.
>
> Yeah, I hear ya. People who say what they think honestly and
> forthrightly really can be tiresome, can't they?
The two are not mutually exclusive. Especially as you can say what you think
honestly and forthrightly and still be wrong.
Simon
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: O
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433, Volume #28 Wed, 16 Aug 00 12:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls
and Authentic Linvocates) ("Christopher Smith")
BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Scheme == Beginners language (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: C# is a copy of java (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: C# is a copy of java (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: there are plenty of good paradigms (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chris Wenham)
Re: Gnome or KDE (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Christopher Smith")
Notebook/Windows rebate? (Nobody Needs to Know)
Re: FAQ for c.o.m.n.a Now Available! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: FAQ for c.o.m.n.a Now Available! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (rj friedman)
From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:59:25 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'll bet they sell 200 times that of PowderPuff Girls (a kids game for
> Windows) I saw 3 people on line buying that game the day I was
> there.
All your other stuff is pretty redundant, but you dare to bring up the
PowderPuff Girls? I'm outraged!
(For those that don't know I watch Cartoon Network on a regular basis
and PowderPuff girls rock! Also, Johnny Bravo, Dexter's Lab, I am
Weasle (I. R. Baboon), Cow and Chicken, and of course the old Looney
Tunes (can anybody ever get enough of them?). And if you really think
this is a strike against me, so be it. You gots ta keep yo sense o'
humor, and watching cartoons can be real relaxing. Shut down the brain
and watch the show. Ahh.)
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:23:50 +1000
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8nbtv9$klk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:19:54 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> >
> > >What is FVWM missing that explorer.exe provides for a working
> environment?
> >
> > A file manager. FVWM vs explorer isn't really a fair comparison. A
better
> > comparison would be FVWM + TKdesk vs explorer or KWM + KFM vs explorer
>
> Yes, Explorer is more or less just a filemanager. It is the
> reimplimentations of winfile.exe the Windows 3.x filemanager. For some
> reason so many of the Window's users will point to it as their analog to
the
> X window manager, so for their sake in this thread I have ignored the
> inaccuracy of it.
Explorer is the closest you can get in Windows to a "Window Manager". It's
better described as a shell, and as such KDE is a better (and fairer)
comparison.
> On the other hand to make the resource consumption
> comparison fair, I did count the usage of Midnight Commander compiled for
> and linked with the GPM for mouse support running in an xterm.
Sheesh. First you use TWM, and now mc running in an *xterm* ?
And you wonder why people accuse you of "cheating" ?
> Actually
> running three instances of it. There is a problem there as well, since
> Midnight Commander has features that explorer.exe can not match like being
> an ftp client that makes remote FTP archives appear another directory on
> your host for most functions. But I am not using that as part of the
> comparison.
Explorer can and has done that since IE4.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious
Date: 16 Aug 2000 14:06:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Said Donovan Rebbechi in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:35:02 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>>> Perhaps you've never seen my definition of intuitive: familiar. And
>>> BASIC is, quite pointedly, more intuitive to people who don't already
>>> know programming, but use natural languag
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433, Volume #27Mon, 3 Jul 00 00:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: Linux code going down hill (Donovan Rebbechi) Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Leslie Mikesell) Re: Linux not ready for primetime!!! ! (Ben Walker) Re: Where did all my windows go? (Charlie Ebert) Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! (Charlie Ebert) Re: We WANT different enviroments (Was: Linux, easy to use? (Charlie Ebert) Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Leslie Mikesell) Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box? (Re: I'm Ready! I'm ready! I'm not ready.) (Jonadab the Unsightly One) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) Subject: Re: Linux code going down hill Date: 3 Jul 2000 02:14:07 GMT On 2 Jul 2000 23:47:30 GMT, abraxas wrote: >It is extremely well defined (for the layman) thusly: > >Any operating system which is either A. BSD or B. System V in design and >application. Oddly and perhaps ironically, this includes SunOS but not >Solaris. :) I'd call anything that ships something resembling X/Open standard "UNIX". One could dispute this definition, because apparently if you dress NT up the right way, it meets UNIX 98 standards. But in this instance, I would still suggest that NT had "a UNIX subsystem". -- Donovan -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? Date: 2 Jul 2000 21:17:32 -0500 In article , Daniel Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >I think I must be on to something; both you and Leslie have felt the need >> >to try to change the subject away from support for client/server security >> >to other security-related issues (in your case, Visual Basic for Viruses >:D >> >and in Leslies, NT's poor implementation record compared to some.) >> >> Before you can dismiss my observation of reality as changing the >> subject, I suggest that you show why you think the poor record >> is a simple matter of implementation bugs instead of overall >> design issues where the unnatural integration of functions >> into places they don't belong introduces new weaknesses. > >Hmmm.. > >I'm not sure I can prove that. But I think that if you wish to claim >that NT's design is causing these security problems by virtue >of combining things that shouldn't be combined, then I think >it is up to *you* to prove *that*, not up to me to disprove it. > >I mean, the usualy standard is "he who asserts must prove"; >otherwise it's just crazy, since I can assert all manner of strange >things, and it would be silly to demand that you disprove them >all. Sorry, but it is the theory that differs from observations that must either be discarded or proven. Mine predicts the problems that have been seen in practice. You are the one who claimed it is just poor implementation, so perhaps you would like to elaborate on why you think someone with a problem implementing the details would be able to generate a flawless design. Or why you would promote something like this as an improvement. Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Walker) Subject: Re: Linux not ready for primetime!!! ! Date: 2 Jul 2000 20:38:39 -0600 In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >leg log wrote: >> >> Linux as it stand now is STUPID! >> > >Linux as it stands now is in a constant state of change and >development. If you call that stupid, then that is your opinion. But I >call locking users in and not really improving anything for the last >five years stupid. Linux is improving. Considering where it was about >five years ago, it's blowing a lot of people away. Nothing starts on >top. You have to start with a solid foundation (something MS has >screwed up twice, once with WinDOS and once with WinNT) and Linux now >has that foundation, and much of the work above it is already complete. >What isn't complete is because the work is being focused on the lower >parts first, getting it stable and solid. You don't build a house from >the roof down. You start with the foundation, build the walls and first >floor and work your way up. The roof is the last part of the equation, >just like the eye candy that you are bitching for is the last part of >any good operating system (although BeOS is one that kind of leaves me >wondering about that). I agree with everything above. I would just add that Linu
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433, Volume #26 Wed, 10 May 00 01:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Let's POLL! (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Web page rendering Linux (KDE) vs. windows 2000 (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Joseph)
Re: Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!! (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (WickedDyno)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Joseph)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (WickedDyno)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Joseph)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Joseph)
Re: Linux IS THE ULTIMATE VIRUS(IOW LINUX SUXXX) ("Ferdinand V.
Mendoza")
Re: Malicious scripts on Unix ("2 + 2")
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Joseph)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Joseph)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Let's POLL!
Date: 9 May 2000 23:08:04 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Just because some 12 year old kid launches a VB script virus,
>> and YOUR company ingests this virus, should the employee's
>> who have double clicked our the attachment using YOUR companies
>> OUTLOOK EXPRESS be disciplined?
>>
>Basically the best way to train the unwashed masses is to threaten them, so
>I would tell them that if they open any document that contains a virus and
>causes damage to the IT systems they are out of the door for groose
>incompetency. Usually this does the thrick ... All the poeple I trained have
>become verry carefull and allways check with the sender if they know them
>before opening attachments and messages from unknown sources get deleted.
>The only thing this requires is fireing one or two employees to make shure
>they know you are serious about your threat.
Heh, I'd venture a bet that plenty of people in management positions
high enough not to worry about threats from technicians participated
in the recent fiasco.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Web page rendering Linux (KDE) vs. windows 2000
Date: 9 May 2000 23:00:05 -0500
In article <8f77a9$3eu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Jim Richardson wrote:
>
>> > - app to view realtime what connections are made right now
>> netstat, ethereal, tcpdump, others
>
>Ethereal i use but its not usable for my purposes. Actually i fell over
>"etherape" (etherape.sourceforge.net) that does what i wanted.. a bit more
>development and it really gets to be a valuable application.
>
>I can recomend "etherape" if you want a live update of what connections
>youre "involved" in.
Iptraf is also pretty good at showing current connections among
machines on your segment.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.lang.basic
Subject: Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:13:11 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quoting Bob May from alt.destroy.microsoft; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:34:30 -0700
>The details that I have were that Stac management and other employees
>(software engineers, etc.) had gone to Redmond and talked to Microsoft
>(a.k.a. microcrud) and discussed a technology transfer. There were
>several of these trips and there was only one trip after the source
>code had been shown to the microcrud people. Considering that I was
>going down the street to Stac, my info was from inside sources. If
>Microsoft had just coded something from having seen the Stac software
>run, they would have been in the clear. Stac won the lawsuit because
>they could prove to the court that Microsoft had taken thier code and
>copied it's design. PhotoStacker (our addon to the Stac lineup of
>software in developement) was put on hold when Microsoft started thier
>fun so the company that I worked for also lost money because of
>Microsoft's theft.
Thanks for that information.
>As far as I am concerned, Microsoft's policies are predatory because I
>have been on the losing end of the process and have seen the whole
>thing in review. They will get your source if possible and copy it or
>will reverse engineer your code (remember that they wrote the compiler
>that you are writing the stuff on so they have the best of the reverse
>compilers available) to thier desire.
>As far as I am
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433, Volume #25 Mon, 28 Feb 00 19:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Windows 2000: flat sales ("Drestin Black")
Re: IE on UNIX (Mike Marion)
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K (5X3)
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K (5X3)
Re: Windows 2000: flat sales (Mike Marion)
Re: 3 out of 4 PCs do not need browsers ("Keith T. Williams")
Re: Windows 2000: flat sales (Mike Marion)
Re: I want control of my fu&king computer !!! (Mike Marion)
Re: Microsoft's New Motto ("Chad Myers")
Re: IE on UNIX ("Chad Myers")
Re: 3 out of 4 PCs do not need browsers ("Chad Myers")
Re: IE on UNIX (mlw)
Re: Windows 2000: flat sales ("Chad Myers")
Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers (mlw)
Re: 3 out of 4 PCs do not need browsers (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000: flat sales
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:56:32 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:40:37 -0600, Michael Guyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >of course everyone will replace their apps. M$ will just release a new
> >version of office that runs better on win2k.
> >
>
> And since the old versions will run slower under W2K, they'll get
replaced.
Amazing that you would try to spread such a lie. Considering that every
single version of windows ever released (including every incremental change)
has ALWAYS been faster than the version preceding it - to even suggest that
it's suddenly not true is ludicrous.
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IE on UNIX
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:00:10 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> is really just an enhancement, ext3 and the like are pretty much completely
> new filesystems.
Funny you should say that, as ext3 is "really just an enhancement" too. It is
_not_ a completely new filesystem. It's basically a jfs on top of ext2. If
you'd bother to read about it, you'd see that ext3 is completely compatible with
ext2. You can mount an ext2 fs as ext3 and have journalling, then umount the
ext3 and remount it again as ext2 (as long as the umount was clean, i.e. you
can't hard reboot while ext3 is mounted then mount it ext2 without an ext3
fsck).
Reiserfs OTOH, _is_ a completely new FS. It's supposed to be much faster then
ext3 too.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
"...In my phone conversation with Microsoft's lawyer I copped to the fact that
just maybe his client might see me as having been in the past just a bit
critical of their products and business practices. This was too bad, he said
with a sigh, because they were having a very hard time finding a reporter who
both knew the industry well enough to be called an expert and who hadn't written
a negative article about Microsoft." -- Robert X. Cringely
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (5X3)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K
Date: 28 Feb 2000 23:12:09 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Do you have a source for this assertion?
> yes - every time I look at figures of Unix installs and NT installs you see
> the unix count dropping and the NT count going up. BUT, ignoring stats
> "other guys" do.
Stats? "every time I look at figures" tells me nothing. What figures?
How were they analyzed?
> My own company. We do migrations from *nix to NT all the
> time. We love it.
Thats because youre a bunch of tools. I have confirmation of this.
> Yanking out crap hardware and nightmare software
I'm sitting 1000 feet away from a machine running solaris that can kick
the ass of anything that you're running NT on, guaranteed.
> (usually
> left in worse states than you can imagine by archiac sys admins who spit on
> Windows and therefore have no knowledge and are usually out of a job after
> we're through and you can be sure they didn't leave everything in a "nice"
> state when they leave). The people in the industry I talk to daily who are
> making a WAY more than healthy living replacing *nix with NT all over the
> country.
Oh that I believe. Though having an MCSE is no more a measurement of
intelligence than say, breathing, it is still a fairly lucerative posession.
> THAT supports my assertion better than any graph.
Anecdotal evidence. Neat. You're real good at that.
p0ok
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (5X3)
Subject: Re: Micr
