Linux-Advocacy Digest #460
Linux-Advocacy Digest #460, Volume #34 Sat, 12 May 01 21:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Robert W Lawrence) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Roy Culley) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Roy Culley) Re: Linux has one chance left. (Roy Culley) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:51:41 GMT In comp.os.linux.advocacy, JS PL hieverybody! wrote on Sat, 12 May 2001 11:48:05 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Roy Culley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], JS PL the_win98box_in_the_corner writes: T. Max Devlin wrote in message [on the high probability that MS will skate...] that will make them about as innocent as O.J. Simpson. Keep practicing statements like this. Your going to need them in a few short days (or weeks) Judgement day is drawing near for Sleepy Jackson. The big slap down is fully cocked and set with a hair trigger. He's looking up with his tail between his legs. Sleepy is about to feel a boot in his ass from a full panel of his superiors. And Max is going to be doing some major spin control when his life's work on usenet turns to vapor in a fleeting instant, one day soon. If the US judicial system fails then the EU are just waiting to bring Microsoft to justice. Microsoft don't have any political clout in the EU and the penalties will hurt where they hurt most - up to 10% of gross world wide sales. The US judicial system has already failed, it is now in the fix phase. And who cares about what Europe thinks? Let them eat cake...err...Linux. IMO, Europe will fail, also. No, I for one do not look for the courts for redress of this situation. I would hope that Linux becomes a viable alternative on its own merits -- and look at how easy Microsoft formats are to hack. At some point, they'll either merge [*], or Microsoft will have to be better in order to stay on top. And because Linux is free, they'll have to do it legitimately. Ideally, MS would just die, and Linux, along with FreeBSD, AIX, HP-UX, Solaris, SCO Unix, and QNX will now compete on their merits, quality, and implementation of standards. But I don't see that happening soon; too many people depend on Windows. (This is not a bad thing, but Windows isn't exactly the best API.) Of course, Microsoft isn't exactly helping itself, either; it's far too easy to launch a .VBS worm, apparently. Brain dead? You bet! (Linux can fail, too. The worst thing for it to do is fragment into, say, half a dozen kernel types, incompatible with each other; the open source will help in that one can rebuild as one transports code from one type to another, though. Hard to do with NT... :-) ) [*] assuming this concept makes sense; Linux, after all, is not a corporation. Most likely, Microsoft will play smorgasbord, picking and choosing the utilities it likes. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here EAC code #191 12d:16h:09m actually running Linux. Microsoft. Just when you thought you were safe. -- From: Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:55:52 GMT Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Daniel Johnson wrote: Hardly. I get more flexibility from this than letting windows munge things up. If you think that desktop market is composed of masses of people who can and will write *print filters*- or even configure them- you are quite out of touch. [snip] When do you have to configuer print filters in Linux or Unix? When you want to benefit from the flexibility of print filters, naturally! If you just want prefab stuff, then it appears drivers will do fine. -- From: Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED
Linux-Advocacy Digest #460
Linux-Advocacy Digest #460, Volume #32 Sun, 25 Feb 01 00:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: RTFM at M$ (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Interesting article (Jim Richardson)
Re: RTFM at M$ (Ray Chason)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Dan Pop)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Now we know why Allchin was tweaked! (Ray Chason)
Re: M$ doing it again! ("Adam Warner")
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:10:54 -0600
"Ed Allen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article iTel6.491$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"T. Max Devlin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
This ignores the fact that MS's software has gone down in price when
you
factor in inflation, and the amount of software you get per dollar.
No, it doesn't, though your statement does ignore the fact that it has
not gone down in price at all, nor kept up with the competition in
terms
of the amount of functionality included with the distribution.
If the numbers on the price tag stay the same, and inflation goes up.
The
dollar value has dropped, and thus the product becomes cheaper.
As I pointed out in my direct response to your post, the Findings of
Fact include email evidence from Jim Allchin which contradicts you.
I don't care if the pope contradicts me. These are hard cold facts.
A) It's a fact that the number of dollars charged for Windows has not
changed in 6 years.
B) It's a fact that inflation has increased in those 6 years.
C) It's a fact that we now recieve more software with windows than we did 6
years ago.
D) It's a fact that when inflation increases, the value of the dollar
decreases.
E) It's a fact that if number of dollars stay the same while inflation goes
up, that the actual cost of the product has gone down.
No amount of email evidence you try to put up will change these economical
facts. Stop pretending it's not true.
He claims that MS inhibits innovation. Linux flies in the face of that.
Linux doesn't depend on a market to grow its technology base, since the
people that use it enhance it. Since Linux's technology has not advanced
past the level that MS's has, and in most cases, Linux is still trying to
catch up to Windows, that theory is bogus. If the argument were true, th
en
Linux's technology would completely surpass Windows.
I have never claimed that MS makes innovation totally stop just that
it raises the cost of bringing such innovation to market.
Then explain how Debian is able to bring them to market for free.
Linux, and other Open Source projects, are making advances in spite
of having had little funding because the people involved are
donating millions of hours of programming, testing, and debugging
time every year.
So you admit that Linux doesn't exist in this market in the traditional
sense of "market".
That represents an investment buy the communities of something close
to a billion dollars a year in intellectual capital. Even IBM has
said that they cannot match that.
Great.
That is finally beginning to allow people to see that not all
computing needs to be under the thumb of MS.
Then what's your argument?
That is what MS has used to keep out potential innovations and still
some trickle through. By having millions of innovative drips even
MS will eventually be submerged in the flood.
Many markets have large financial barriers to entry. You can't come into
the automobile market without spending billions in factory and RD costs.
You can't get into the processor market without spending billions. You
can't provide long distance service without spending billions in
infrastructure. That's just the cost of getting into a very well
established market.
As for "Linux's technology has not advanced past the level that MS's
has". Since Linux compiles the same kernel to run on the iPAQ and
the z900 and MS require different source trees for servers and
desktops on x86 alone how can you justify saying that ?
NT/2000 uses the same source tree for Server and Desktop.
In any event, we're talking about end-user technology, not OS developer
technology.
Linux has grown from nothing but a mutitasking plaything on Linus'
desk to running several, I have pointers to ten at least, computers
in the top 500 largest supercompu
Linux-Advocacy Digest #460
Linux-Advocacy Digest #460, Volume #31 Sun, 14 Jan 01 17:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Mig)
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux?
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Windows 2000 ("Erik Funkenbusch")
.NET and .COM ala Microsoft! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: The real truth about NT (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Why does Win2k always fail in running time? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Windows 2000 (Bones)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source (Bones)
Re: Linux Mandrake 7.2 and the banana peel (David Utidjian)
Re: Windows 2000 (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux Mandrake 7.2 and the banana peel (Mig)
Re: You and Microsoft... ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Linux *has* the EDGE! (Shane Phelps)
Re: Windows Stability (Charlie Ebert)
From: Mig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:21:05 +0100
. wrote:
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Giuliano Colla" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Chad Myers wrote:
[snip]
Hmm, oh well. Never had a reason to really. The past two jobs I've
worked at, Linux couldn't be used AT ALL because of all it's
shortcomings, so this "option to be configured" really doesn't
mean dittly squat.
Where did you work? At a gas pump?
1.) Video people did tons of video editing with files well over 2GB.
Linux couldn't be used without spending thousands of dollars for 64-bit
hardware to overcome Linux's poorly designed VFS infrastructure. Windows
2000 was the prime choice.
http://heroines.sourceforge.net/bcast2000.php3
Hey.. didnt know that one... thanks for the link , i am downloading :-)
Will start to edit videos from my JVC DL100 IEEE1394 enabled DV on Linux.
Hoppefully there will we 2.1 GB of video available
Looks like youre wrong again, chad.
Idiot.
Chad deserves a chance.. lets be nice... if you keep telling people they
are idiots they start to believe it and will probably behave like ones.
Hm is there something wrong with the last sentence? ;-)
-.
--
Cheers
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: OS-X GUI on Linux?
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:26:53 GMT
In article GWf86.35$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
"Charlie Ebert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Absolutely,
OS-X on Linux.
I'll try that.
What kind of a moron are you? OS-X is BSD. How could you run BSD on Linux?
Hey! They said if they made it available for Linux would I try it.
The answer remains, shure!
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: OS-X GUI on Linux?
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:26:43 -
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:22:37 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
You're crazy. All existing GUI apps would not work with Quartz because
the
existing apps use sockets to connect to the GUI.
Do you work at being this stupid?
Existing GUI apps would have a problem with the different ABI
and API standards. Once they hand requests off to the graphics
subsystem they don't give a damn how those requests are handled
so long as the outputs are within the margins they are expecting.
How exactly do apps "hand requests off to the graphics subsystem"? In X,
A shared library interface.
[deletia]
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: 14 Jan 2001 21:27:29 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:3rns39.13o.ln@gd2zzx...
In article usj86.2348$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
"Chad Myers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"Chad Myers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:Rrj86.2343$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
We tried it on Linux, but it performed less than half as well as the
Solaris and Windows 2000 implementations.
Why do I feel this is just a downright lie?
Bottom Line:
Linux isn't enterprise ready. It may do static web serving well (not
the best, but well and cheap) but it doesn't cut it for doing big-boy
tasks.
Strewth, are we living on the same
Linux-Advocacy Digest #460
Linux-Advocacy Digest #460, Volume #29Thu, 5 Oct 00 00:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: RAID on Win2k Pro ("Chad Myers")
Re: RAID on Win2k Pro ("Adam Warner")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (STATIC66)
Re: The real issue (Steve Mading)
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("James Stutts")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("James Stutts")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Chad Myers")
Re: RAID on Win2k Pro ("Chad Myers")
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Timberwoof)
Re: GPL freedom ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively ("Chad Myers")
Re: Another M$ Troll (droll?) (Ian Pulsford)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: [OT] Loren Petrich claims THIEVERY = LEGITIMATE WORK ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
From: "Chad Myers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: RAID on Win2k Pro
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:03:04 GMT
"Adam Warner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8rgmo7$jri$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Hi Drestin and Chad,
Actually, you need only two copies of Windows 2000 professional - this
will provide you with the RAID...
I thought you were both wrong about this but I didn't want to contradict
you before I got the answer from Microsoft's web site:
http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWS2000/library/resources/reskit/samplechapters/fnc
b/fncb_dis_gxih.asp
(NB: FT stands for fault tolerant)
"Creating new FT sets, such as mirrored and RAID-5 volumes, is only
available on computers running Windows 2000 Server. The disk must be
upgraded to dynamic disk before these volumes can be created. You can,
however, use a computer running Windows 2000 Professional to create
mirrored and RAID-5 volumes on a remote computer running Windows 2000
Server."
Any response?
Yep, I read through the help and you're correct. This must be a new
thing in Win2K pro, because I am 99% certain that NT 4 Workstation
would allow Mirror sets, at least (not RAID-5, I'm pretty sure).
Didn't we agree, earlier, though that you'd need Win2K server anyhow?
I'm not sure if you answered me on this.
Ok, so Win2K Server OEM is around $500. ~$1000 for two copies. Both
come with 5-client licenses. CALs are around $75-100 per 5-pack
but get cheaper when you get into the 25 - 100 CAL ranges.
You haven't said how many users you have, so I can't quote you a price.
With Win2K Server you have many more features now anyhow, so it makes
it worth your while.
-Chad
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From: "Adam Warner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: RAID on Win2k Pro
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:27:02 +1300
Hi Chad,
Yep, I read through the help and you're correct. This must be a new
thing in Win2K pro, because I am 99% certain that NT 4 Workstation would
allow Mirror sets, at least (not RAID-5, I'm pretty sure).
Thanks for responding honestly to a crap, arrogantly idiotic poster.
Adam
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From: STATIC66 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:34:22 GMT
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:43:59 GMT, Loren Petrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Loren Petrich wrote:
The Marxism here is your posture of being an exploited, oppressed
worker.
Wrong. That's HUMAN RIGHTS.
So Marxism is human rights?
The human right to keep what you earn without having it confiscated
by the government.
It's not confiscated. It's legally mandated. The law says pay taxes,
and if you wish to break the law, then don't call yourself law-abiding.
I'm surprised that Mr. Kulkis is not organizing a big tax strike.
Kinda like purgury, it is legally mandated you will not lie under
oath. If you do you should be PROSECUTED..
But thats Ok right?? after all according to you alll he did was help
monica practice blowjobs...
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From: STATIC66 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:40:38 GMT
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:34:41 GMT, Loren Petrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wrong. Millions of people go to college while earning
what is considered to be "poverty level" incomes.
ROTFL. Their tuition is always subsidized, however, whet
Linux-Advocacy Digest #460
Linux-Advocacy Digest #460, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 20:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Gary Hallock) Re: Linux code going down hill (Gary Hallock) Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Pete Goodwin) Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! (Pete Goodwin) Re: Linux code going down hill (Leslie Mikesell) Re: Where did all my windows go? (Donovan Rebbechi) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:13:47 -0400 From: Gary Hallock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I hope you trolls are happy... Pete Goodwin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Kulkis) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Every major version of Unix now has a journaled filesystem available. It can't guarantee that you will have everything written to disk up to the very last second...but it WILL guarantee that filesystem corruption from crashes are now a thing of the past. So things have changed. Yeh, for at least a decade. Like I said before, you have zero experience with modern versions of Unix and so have no business making statements as if you do. Gary -- Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:18:45 -0400 From: Gary Hallock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux code going down hill abraxas wrote: How can you move from VM on an S/390 to linux on an S/390 and lose EBCDIC? I dont see much of a point of running linux on pure S/390 hardware with no intermediary management system (VM)...Unless its one of those new little dual G6s. Does that even work? -yttrx VM doesn't really care what encoding the guest OS uses. The hardware does really care for the most part. There are some instructions that might have problems with ASCII but the compiler can handle that. Gary -- Subject: Re: I hope you trolls are happy... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:21:54 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary Hallock) wrote in 3962619A.1094FF71 @attglobal.net: Yeh, for at least a decade. Like I said before, you have zero experience with modern versions of Unix and so have no business making statements as if you do. Such a generalisation is amazing. So you can happily discount anything I say as "you don't know what you're talking about". Well, that's a nice defence against ever paying any attention to me - you know, I might actually have a point? But it's lost on you because you generalise. Pete -- Subject: Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:28:07 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote in 8jtjg8$12qp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you have a server running all the time, you can configure it as a primary DNS server for your local domain (which can be fictitious) and otherwise either be a plain caching server or slave to your ISP's. That way all local machines can always use this as their resolver. You can run a dhcp server here too for your local net if you sometimes plug in a laptop or often reconfigure your other machines. I don't need DNS, all the names are in /etc/hosts. I don't need DHCP, all the addresses are in /etc/hosts. What you are suggesting seems awfully complex for a two node system. I could understand it if I were running a larger system permanently connected to the internet, but I'm not. With a stable server in place, you could use fetchmail to gather your mail from the remote pop server(s) and deliver locally to a Linux mailbox - then you could access it via IMAP from any of the machines (Outlook/Netscape on windows, Netscape/Pine/others on Linux) You can create multiple folders on the server and all are accessable from any client. You can even drag messages you have already downloaded back into an IMAP inbox. Ah I begin to see what you're getting at. It's not really something I want to do just yet. If I ever decide Linux is worth switching to, then I might. However, since my favourite application isn't there yet (Kylix), I'm still evaluating Linux. Pete -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: Re: Linux code going down hill Date: 4 Jul 2000 17:27:09 -0500 In article 8jtm75$gn1$[EMAIL PROTECTED], abraxas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you happen to have any experience with mysql under freebsd? I sort-of inherited a box running apache and mod_perl with a mysql backend under freebsd and periodically it locked up with mysql never finishing it's queries even though normally they complete very quickly. Also top always shows mysqld consuming some CPU time even if it isn't doing much. I moved the myqsl to a Linux box and everything was fine with no other changes (start-up options are the same in both cases). I tried building exactly the same version of mysql on the freebsd box and putting it back, but still had the same problem. Any ideas? Were the versions of everything
