Re: [LAD] 802.11n sound card
Hi, On Thursday 24 December 2009 01:48:14 Patrick Shirkey wrote: > On 12/24/2009 11:31 AM, Arnold Krille wrote: > > On Wednesday 23 December 2009 23:52:46 Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >> So the issue is with other streams being picked up by the receiver which > >> affects latency by increasing collisions? > >> Would this still be a problem on a secured connection? Surely the > >> receiver would ignore all data that is not being transmitted over the > >> secured access point? > > No, the problem is one or two layers deeper in the stack. We are talking > > wifi here. No matter if there is only two devices on that network or a > > secure connection, its still wireless transmission over radio frequencies > > in the 2GHz range. Which is per se much more affected by any disturbance > > then a dedicated cable is. Every mobile phone, every blue-tooth device, > > every neighbours network, every iron in your ceiling will influence this. > > And not only with a constant background-noise in your frequency range, > > but also with momentary scrambling and such stuff. So in the layers you > > can not (easily) control by software there is already lots of resending > > and rescheduling of packets. And all these introduce uncertainties and > > latencies you don't want in your audio transmission. Unless you can do > > with 100ms latency and more... > > This is good analysis. Thanks for taking the time. > > Is that number 100ms a real number or just an estimate? I was once taught that a good estimate for an error is better then a bad calculation. This number is a guess from my understanding and experience of networks and the osi layers... > > But getting the stream to be reliable is already complicated with things > > like firewire (which has isochronous channels for exactly this purpose) > > and its more complicated with usb (which has a master telling the clients > > when to send bigger payloads to not disturb the other bus-members). Ask > > the jack-over-udp guys how difficult it is to create such stream reliably > > over tcp-ip network. And they take lost packets into account (which means > > an xrun) and advise you to use it on dedicated networks if you want more > > the the immediate experience... > In this case are we comparing a network located over large distances > with internet nodes in between or a couple of computers sitting within a > couple of meters of each other? Comparing local wired network and local wifi... Have fun, Arnold signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
[LAD] [OT] Hey, thanks for the great gifts !
Greetings, A quick note of deep gratitude to all Linux audio users and devs from whom I have learned and continue to learn so much. Thank you, and I hope you all enjoy the best of the holiday season. Best, dp ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Hey, thanks for the great gifts !
And thanks of course for the nice music! It was very enjoyable and more and more emotionally engagng. I don't know, if I could give a higher praise than that. So keep on playing and dreaming and listening and dreaming along! Warmly Julien Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide === AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: === http://www.juliencoder.de ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Hey, thanks for the great gifts !
Julien Claassen wrote: > And thanks of course for the nice music! Right :)! I'm not fine with Dave's opinions all the time, but his music is very good. Btw. I prefer CC music, guess it won't win the loudness race ;). Dave Phillips wrote: > A quick note of deep gratitude to all Linux audio users and devs from > whom I have learned and continue to learn so much. It's not OT to have one's heart in the right place. So, pardon if some of you were/ are annoyed because of some of my postings. I like to join Dave's gratitude here. Special thanx to Rui for Qtractor and Hermann and Fons for Jconv + GUI :). Happy Chrinnukyulezaa! Ralf ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Hey, thanks for the great gifts !
And back at you Dave, and the rest of the motley crew in the linux audio community . :) The jacket made my year! Regards, Alex. On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings, > > A quick note of deep gratitude to all Linux audio users and devs from > whom I have learned and continue to learn so much. > > Thank you, and I hope you all enjoy the best of the holiday season. > > Best, > > dp > > ___ > Linux-audio-dev mailing list > Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev > -- www.openoctave.org midi-subscr...@openoctave.org development-subscr...@openoctave.org ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
[LAD] Best wishes for the Holidays
Please allow me to echo what many others have already said so eloquently on the LA* lists: On behalf of the Linuxaudio.org consortium, L2Ork, and personally I would like to extend very best Holiday wishes to all LA* users, developers, artists, enthusiasts, supporters, contributors, companies, and sponsors. May we have many more years of a thriving community and bountiful creativity. Likewise, I would like to express deepest gratitude to all who have contributed towards making audio on Linux not only possible but also remarkable! After all, Linuxaudio.org, L2Ork, or many of my personal projects would've never been possible without your talents and generous contributions! Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra Assistant Co-Director, CCTAD CHCI, CS, and Art (by courtesy) Virginia Tech Dept. of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-6139 (540) 231-5034 (fax) i...@vt.edu http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/bukvic/ ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] LADI
rosea grammostola writes: > Nedko, is LADI an project of your own, or are you willing to collaborate > with other developers who might have interest in the project? Do I > understand it right that characteristics of LADI are still open for > discussion? LADI is a project that I started about two years ago. While it is me that is mainly driving it, it is not some kind of dictatorship. In past, several devlopers have contributed code and even more users have contributed ideas and provided feedback. Progress of the project brought some well defined properties of the LADI system. While they can be changed for sure, a large part of the involved people needs to agree. As I, for good or bad, am playing the role of the leader of this thing, I am responsible for decisions that affect the viability of the LADI system. Hopefully this explains why my statements about some subjects are so strong sometimes. It is good for the LADI project to have more active developers. As a developer of this project, I've collaborated with different people from the LAD community, and the result was almost always good. > Maybe it aint that bad to have two types of Session handlers for Linux. > The LADI approach and another approach without D-Bus. It's not bad to > have choice as user and maybe someone needs the features of LADI and > others features of more minimal session handlers. It is always better to have more software to choose from. Unfortunately, the reasons for so called competition in open source projects is often working against users, because of the NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome and the SEP (Somebody Else's Problem) effect. I would really like to beleive that I am wrong. And I would like LAD community to be less stagnant and more open for new ideas and different perspectives. > Till now, LADI seems to be the only project that has reach an status so > that it actually works and is useful for musicians. Other projects seems > to be ideas on paper, nothing practical useful yet. > As a user I'm hoping that LADI will become an success, cause at the end > we really need an workable session handler. On the other hand I also > hope that people like Fons, Bob, Torben and David are able to release an > session handler without D-Bus. They have proven to have good ideas and > programming skills. I also hope that this will happen. More software we have, more value this community has. Lets favour software creation instead of busting flame wars. > I think it will be good to have as much as consensus and especially > collaboration as possible. It would be good if others join the LADI > project I think. But I can't say which project goals are somewhat close > to the LADI project goals. Someone said that Torbens ideas could be > implemented or used in LADI in some way maybe. Then it would be good > maybe, to have a good (privat) discussion between the developers (at > least Nedko seems to say he stands open for that). Yes I am open, as long as it is not at cost of killing the whole project. One of the other projects I've started, zynjacku, is an example of how project direction has shifted without sacrificing the original goals. And this shift happened because of the community. Zynjacku got more improvements for LV2 plugins with static set of ports and custom GUIs (like calf and invada plugins) than it got for dynparam generic GUIs (the lv2zynadd plugin). Весела Коледа Merry Christmas Joyeux Noël -- Nedko Arnaudov pgpkmDHKGy8Wh.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Hey, thanks for the great gifts !
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:53:44 + alex stone wrote: > And back at you Dave, and the rest of the motley crew in the linux > audio community . :) > > The jacket made my year! > Regards, > > Alex. Motley? Hey, I resemble that remark :) Just to add my best wishes to the chorus (and I'll try to keep in time) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [LAU] [OT] Hey, thanks for the great gifts !
And a big cheers to all the linux-audio-* communities from Ireland, -Harry Haaren ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
