Re: [LAD] zita1 RIP

2013-09-05 Thread Geoff Beasley

On 09/05/13 05:09, Fons Adriaensen wrote:

one of the
reasons being that this is one of the few still having at
least one PCI slot

Hi Fons. Sad day.

I have just built a new system comprising an ASUS H87-PRO which has 3 
PCI slots and several pcie as well. Uses the new HASWELL Intel cpu's but 
it's a great board. UEFI bios too...


hth

best

g
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Re: [LAD] zita1 RIP

2013-09-05 Thread Eric Wong
Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
 The new zita1 will probably be a Fujitsu P510, one of the 
 reasons being that this is one of the few still having at
 least one PCI slot, so I can still use my sound cards. Any
 suggestions for alternatives are welcome !

I just built a Haswell Xeon-based workstation with a Supermicro X10SAE-O
motherboard which has 2 regular PCI slots.  ECC is a requirement of
mine[1], so I didn't have a lot of choices regarding motherboards (and
I also wanted a TSX-capable CPU).

If you do go with a Haswell Xeon, beware GPUs are built into the CPUs
nowadays and not the motherboard (even though the motherboard has video
outputs).  I didn't know that, but it's a good thing I don't care for
graphics and a friend had an unused Radeon card.

I also have a fanless Zalman FX100 CPU cooler, fanless PSU, with only
one slow, giant case fan.  It's inaudible unless I'm focusing on it over
other ambient noise.

[1] - I surprised ECC memory hasn't taken off at all in the audio world
  (from what I can tell).  I often work on servers, so it's strangely
  uncomfortable to have any important data/work on a machine without
  ECC (especially given the size of memory and the aggressiveness
  of Linux VFS caching).
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Re: [LAD] zita1 RIP

2013-09-05 Thread John Rigg
On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 07:09:56PM +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
 The new zita1 will probably be a Fujitsu P510, one of the 
 reasons being that this is one of the few still having at
 least one PCI slot, so I can still use my sound cards. Any
 suggestions for alternatives are welcome !

If you wanted to go the AMD route, ASUS are still making some
motherboards with 2 or more PCI slots. I'm still using Athlon64x2
CPUs on Asus M3A78-PRO boards (with ECC RAM) in my DAWs, but last
time I checked there were still current boards with 3 PCI slots.
Boards with 2xPCI are still fairly common.

In general I prefer ECC memory, high efficiency CPUs and low-power
graphics hardware for audio work. Keeping the power consumption down
allows fan noise to be minimised. My location DAW can run fanless.
I also prefer to run efficient software to keep CPU load (and heat)
down. 

Thanks for writing such efficient software BTW :-)

John
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Re: [LAD] zita1 RIP

2013-09-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 05 September 2013 17:30:26 Fons Adriaensen did opine:

 On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 01:53:33PM -0700, J. Liles wrote:
  Another one bites the dust... Should've run Non on it instead.
  Seriously though, it's a shame. Fortunately,  there are still quite a
  few motherboards out there with at least one PCI slot. I trust you
  had everything backed up!
 
 Almost... Lost two evenings of work on AP algorithms, but I
 have some 30 pages of scribbled notes about that, and the
 (Python) code itself wasn't that complicated, I'm rewriting
 it right now. Still, should learn to backup every day.
 
 Ciao,

Let amanda do it in the middle of the night Fons.  I've been using it, 
using virtual tapes on a terrabyte hard drive now, but with real tape since 
about 1999.  Real tape is a maintenance headache, if you have smartctl 
watching the drives, they'll warn you well enough in advance that you can 
replace the drive ahead of a total failure.  Made use of that once since I 
moved it to vtapes, about 7 years back.  It works over the network, so my 
milling machine and lathe control boxes are backed up nightly too.

Cheers, Gene
-- 
There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
My web page: http://gene.homelinux.net:6309/gene should be up!

Ben, why didn't you tell me?
-- Luke Skywalker
A pen in the hand of this president is far more
dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of
 law-abiding citizens.
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Re: [LAD] zita1 RIP

2013-09-05 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 01:53:33PM -0700, J. Liles wrote:
 
 Another one bites the dust... Should've run Non on it instead. Seriously
 though, it's a shame. Fortunately,  there are still quite a few
 motherboards out there with at least one PCI slot. I trust you had
 everything backed up!

Almost... Lost two evenings of work on AP algorithms, but I
have some 30 pages of scribbled notes about that, and the
(Python) code itself wasn't that complicated, I'm rewriting
it right now. Still, should learn to backup every day.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)

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Re: [LAD] zita1 RIP

2013-09-05 Thread J. Liles
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.orgwrote:

 After more than 10 years of service my first ever Linux system
 died yesterday. The original configuration was P4, 0.5G memory,
 two IDE HD of 60G each, and it pretty much stayed like that.
 Two years ago the power supply blew up and was replaced by an
 external one (too big to go inside). Last year the first HD
 failed, and yesterday evening the second.

 This was the system on which I developed almost everything I
 ever released, so it carries lots of memories...  Maybe one
 of the reasons it decided to go to the eternal processing
 fields was that it couldn't really cope with A3. I've mixed
 20+ tracks using A2 on that system, but 350MB resident memory
 for an empty session was just too much...

 The new zita1 will probably be a Fujitsu P510, one of the
 reasons being that this is one of the few still having at
 least one PCI slot, so I can still use my sound cards. Any
 suggestions for alternatives are welcome !

 More CPU and memory will in the end make me less frugal, but
 I'll resist the tendency :-)

 Ciao,


Another one bites the dust... Should've run Non on it instead. Seriously
though, it's a shame. Fortunately,  there are still quite a few
motherboards out there with at least one PCI slot. I trust you had
everything backed up!
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