Re: [LAD] Is Piperware a successor to Jack/Pulseaudio?

2021-07-02 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Cool! I'll check it out!

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 6:12 PM John Murphy  wrote:
>
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:11:47 -0700 M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
>
> > The biggest issue with Pipewire IMHO is that it does not support
> > Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. That will be a big obstacle to growth until 18.04 is
> > no longer supported, which is still about two years away. I don't know
> > what's involved in doing a backport, but I for one would use Pipewire
> > if it was working on 18.04.
>
> I've just seen a response from SOURAV DAS posted on 11 May to:
>
> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/05/install-latest-pipewire-ppa-ubuntu-20-04/
>
> Saying "Hi, the PPA maintainer here. Now added supports for Ubuntu
> 18.04 also."
>
> Linux Mint 20.1 (Ubuntu 20.04) here, so haven't tested it.
>
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Re: [LAD] Is Piperware a successor to Jack/Pulseaudio?

2021-07-02 Thread John Murphy
On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:11:47 -0700 M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

> The biggest issue with Pipewire IMHO is that it does not support
> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. That will be a big obstacle to growth until 18.04 is
> no longer supported, which is still about two years away. I don't know
> what's involved in doing a backport, but I for one would use Pipewire
> if it was working on 18.04.

I've just seen a response from SOURAV DAS posted on 11 May to:

https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/05/install-latest-pipewire-ppa-ubuntu-20-04/

Saying "Hi, the PPA maintainer here. Now added supports for Ubuntu
18.04 also."

Linux Mint 20.1 (Ubuntu 20.04) here, so haven't tested it.

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Re: [LAD] Is Piperware a successor to Jack/Pulseaudio?

2021-07-02 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier

On 7/2/21 1:32 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

The particular incident that relates to Pipewire arose from the latter
category - I saw some interesting writing about Pipewire and wanted to
experiment with it on the NVIDIA Jetsons. They ship with an
NVIDIA-supported operating system called Linux for Tegra (L4T), which
is arm64 Ubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" with some modifications and
enhancements for the hardware platform. When I downloaded Pipewire and
tried to install it from source, it did not build because some
libraries on 18.04 are too old.


I assume the Jetsons are not your everyday machines, probably even headless.
I would argue that the main reason to run pipewire is seamless 
integration of pro-audio needs with pulseaudio convenience on your 
everyday office machine.


So if you "just" want to integrate the jetsons into you audio production 
workflow, install jack and zita-njbridge and never look back. Also makes 
for a lot more deterministic system.


As to backporting: that is a burden on the developers that takes 
resources away from developing. Pipewire is a fast-moving, very new 
project. You are on a customized embedded (and thus a little slower 
moving) platform. That is a problem, but if you want to combine embedded 
with cutting edge, you have to find a platform where the vendor tracks 
the latest stuff. The only community big enough to warrant that expense 
right now and deliver something close to "latest" is the Raspberry Pi, 
and, to a lesser degree, Armbian-supported boards. I know it doesn't 
help you, but I guess it's a fact of life.


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