Re: [LAD] 'A' note Tuning Range
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 12:17:58PM +0200, li...@justmail.de wrote: > On Thu, 2019-04-11 at 08:37 +0100, Will J Godfrey wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:16:29 + > > John Rigg wrote: > > > A Korg GA-1 tuner can go down to 5 semitones flat. It's quite common > > > in the heavier styles of rock music to downtune a few semitones. > > Interesting. Thanks for that. > > Assuming the guitar tuner is a chromatic tuner, dropped and lowered > guitar tunings don't require anything else than A = 440 Hz and if you > dislike 440Hz a range from + half of a semitone (+50 cent) to - half of > a semitone (-50 Cent). > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_guitar_tunings#Dropped > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_guitar_tunings#Lowered That's all very well, but tuning quickly on stage in a live gig is lot easier if your tuner goes down to the right pitch with minimal fuss. (Speaking from long experience as gigging guitarist and bassist). The GA-1 tuner I mentioned isn't a true chromatic tuner, but its ability to shift the standard guitar tunings down several semitones is very useful. In modern metal genres C or B tunings are probably more common than the standard EADGBE, so this isn't just an edge case. John ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] 'A' note Tuning Range
On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:16:29 + John Rigg wrote: >On Tue, Apr 09, 2019 at 09:21:09PM +0100, Will Godfrey wrote: >> Currently in 'Scales' Yoshimi can set this anywhere between 1Hz and 2kHz, >> which >> is frankly ridiculous. >> >> This doesn't appear at all in the Scala documentation, so that's no guide. >> >> I've had suggestions ranging from +- 1/2 semitone to +- half octave as being >> more than enough, considering that there is also semitone master key shift >> covering +- 3 octaves (used to be 5!) along with a fine detune of +63 -64 >> cents. > >A Korg GA-1 tuner can go down to 5 semitones flat. It's quite common >in the heavier styles of rock music to downtune a few semitones. > >John Interesting. Thanks for that. -- It wasn't me! (Well actually, it probably was) ... the hard part is not dodging what life throws at you, but trying to catch the good bits. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] 'A' note Tuning Range
On Tue, Apr 09, 2019 at 09:21:09PM +0100, Will Godfrey wrote: > Currently in 'Scales' Yoshimi can set this anywhere between 1Hz and 2kHz, > which > is frankly ridiculous. > > This doesn't appear at all in the Scala documentation, so that's no guide. > > I've had suggestions ranging from +- 1/2 semitone to +- half octave as being > more than enough, considering that there is also semitone master key shift > covering +- 3 octaves (used to be 5!) along with a fine detune of +63 -64 > cents. A Korg GA-1 tuner can go down to 5 semitones flat. It's quite common in the heavier styles of rock music to downtune a few semitones. John ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] 'A' note Tuning Range
On Wed, 10 Apr 2019, Will J Godfrey wrote: On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 23:23:54 +0200 wrote: Without doubts it should be 440 Hz +- 50 Cent. Thanks everyone for your comments. There seems to be a general consensus (and elsewhere too) so I'll check nobody actually *is* using extreme settings for some reason, and maybe tame it down a bit. For tuning, anything greater than half way between semitones can be acheived with transpose. Or, to put it another way, if you need to detune by that much, you are really playing in a different key. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] 'A' note Tuning Range
On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 23:23:54 +0200 wrote: >Without doubts it should be 440 Hz +- 50 Cent. > >+- 50 Cents is what the meter of the BOSS TU-12H chromatic tuner >displays and what you'll find for other software synth, such as e.g. >iSymphonic. The BOSS meter's Hz labelling is from 430 Hz to 450 Hz and >the Hz labelling of iSymphonic from 428 Hz to 452 Hz. IOW the >Cent labelling range from - 50 Cent to + 50 Cent is a little bit more >than the HZ labelling range from 428 Hz or 430 Hz to 450 Hz or 452 Hz. > Thanks everyone for your comments. There seems to be a general consensus (and elsewhere too) so I'll check nobody actually *is* using extreme settings for some reason, and maybe tame it down a bit. As an aside, doing further reading it seems most authorities consider 5 cents to be about the limit for people to detect pitch change (lots of caveats of course) yet Scala example files have figures with 10^-6 cents, and Yoshimi has 10^-6 :o -- It wasn't me! (Well actually, it probably was) ... the hard part is not dodging what life throws at you, but trying to catch the good bits. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] 'A' note Tuning Range
PS: +-50 Cent makes sense, since it's half of a semitone interval, see the Information taken from http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-centsratio.htm: IntervalFrequency ratiocents Semitone or minor second1.059463 : 1 100 Here's a Table of Cents Difference for some frequencies close around 440 Hz: Frequency Difference 435 Hz −19.78 cents 436 Hz −15.81 cents 437 Hz −11.84 cents 438 Hz −7.89 cents 439 Hz −3.94 cents 440 Hz ±0 cent 441 Hz +3.93 cents 442 Hz +7.85 cents 443 Hz +11.76 cents 444 Hz +15.67 cents 445 Hz +19.56 cents So, the conversion factor 4 cents / Hz is valid for the purposes of tuning as an exception only very close around 440 Hz. There is no conversion from Hz to cents and vice versa. Statement: Cent is a logarithmic unit of measure of an interval, and that is a dimensionless "frequency ratio" of f2 / f1. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] 'A' note Tuning Range
Without doubts it should be 440 Hz +- 50 Cent. +- 50 Cents is what the meter of the BOSS TU-12H chromatic tuner displays and what you'll find for other software synth, such as e.g. iSymphonic. The BOSS meter's Hz labelling is from 430 Hz to 450 Hz and the Hz labelling of iSymphonic from 428 Hz to 452 Hz. IOW the Cent labelling range from - 50 Cent to + 50 Cent is a little bit more than the HZ labelling range from 428 Hz or 430 Hz to 450 Hz or 452 Hz. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] 'A' note Tuning Range
Apr 9 2019, Will Godfrey has written: ... What have other synth people here set for this? Does anyone else actually have the setting? ... Not that I write a synth, as well you know. :) In some synths I've seen it fixed to certain values, related to old tunings. +/- 1/2 octave seems generous. I've mostly seen that used in relation to orchestral instruments and - of course - organs. In practise, the lowest value for A I know of is 392, but I think someone mentioned that there is even a slightly lower value than that going to (almost) f. Upwards, I only know of 441/442Hz as "American concert pitch". Not being a guru of any description, permit for a slightly wider range. :) Aside: that might be a lovely combination, a concert for harpsichord, ceelo and Yoshimi. Best wishes, jeanny -- * Website: http://juliencoder.de - for summer is a state of sound * SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/jeanette_c * Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMS4rfGrTwz8W7jhC1Jnv7g * GitHub: https://github.com/jeanette-c * Twitter: https://twitter.com/jeanette_c_s 'Cause living in a dream of you and me Is not the way my life should be... <3 (Britney Spears) ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
[LAD] 'A' note Tuning Range
Currently in 'Scales' Yoshimi can set this anywhere between 1Hz and 2kHz, which is frankly ridiculous. This doesn't appear at all in the Scala documentation, so that's no guide. I've had suggestions ranging from +- 1/2 semitone to +- half octave as being more than enough, considering that there is also semitone master key shift covering +- 3 octaves (used to be 5!) along with a fine detune of +63 -64 cents. What have other synth people here set for this? Does anyone else actually have the setting? -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
