Re: [LAD] ?==?utf-8?q? Updates

[David Runge]

On 2018-08-28 16:48:40 (+0200), Hermann Meyer wrote:
> But why do you prefer to abuse users experience to promote a replacement,
> when a simple silence replacement is already in place?
I'm not abusing anyone. If at all, I was assuming wrongly, that this
would actually be used more widely already (and apparently it is - on
newer systems).

> Using pkg-config means that it works on any system, even older ones,
> as pkgconfig provide a symlink to pkg-config and replace it therewith
> "really", without trouble for anyone.
That's correct.
However, if one has to sed the Makefiles to remove optimization (for
packaging), it's not a big step to do a `sed -e 's/pkgconf/pkg-config/g'
-i Makefile` either. ;-)

All in all I'm happy the Makefiles see some overhaul after all this
time!

Thanks Fons (and sorry for getting you in pkgconf vs. pkg-config
trouble)!


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Re: [LAD] ?==?utf-8?q? Updates

[Hermann Meyer]

Am 28.08.2018 um 16:37 schrieb David Runge:

On 2018-08-27 21:23:47 (+0200), Christopher Arndt wrote:

Am 26.08.18 um 14:49 schrieb Ralf Mattes:
  
Am Sonntag, 26. August 2018 13:07 CEST, Fons Adriaensen  schrieb:

I seem to have both pkgconf and pkg-config, and on Archlinux both
are even provided by the same package.

I used pkgconf as suggested by an Archlinux packager. Don't know
if this is the best choice to support other distros.

No, it's not.

Anyway, all that is required is -I/usr/include/freetype2 and maybe
that is what I should use.

Please don't.

Agree on both accounts. Just use 'pkg-config' like everybody else.

I don't.

pkgconf [1] is a valid replacement of pkg-config (by implementing it
with even more features and better .pc handling) and available on many,
if not all, distros (e.g. [2] [3] [4]). In some it is even the default
by now.

Additionally, this is all better, than relying on a convenience layer
hack job, such as the `freetype-config` script (that should've never
even been part of pkg-config to begin with).

Best,
David

[1] https://git.dereferenced.org/pkgconf/pkgconf
[2] https://packages.debian.org/sid/pkgconf
[3] https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pkgconf
[4] 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/pkgconf_as_system_pkg-config_implementation


But why do you prefer to abuse users experience to promote a 
replacement, when a simple silence replacement is already in place?
Using pkg-config means that it works on any system, even older ones, as 
pkgconfig provide a symlink to pkg-config and replace it therewith 
"really", without trouble for anyone.

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Re: [LAD] ?==?utf-8?q? Updates

[David Runge]

On 2018-08-27 21:23:47 (+0200), Christopher Arndt wrote:
> Am 26.08.18 um 14:49 schrieb Ralf Mattes:
> >  
> > Am Sonntag, 26. August 2018 13:07 CEST, Fons Adriaensen 
> >  schrieb: 
> >> I seem to have both pkgconf and pkg-config, and on Archlinux both
> >> are even provided by the same package.
> >>
> >> I used pkgconf as suggested by an Archlinux packager. Don't know 
> >> if this is the best choice to support other distros.
> > 
> > No, it's not.
> 
> >> Anyway, all that is required is -I/usr/include/freetype2 and maybe
> >> that is what I should use.
> 
> > Please don't.
> 
> Agree on both accounts. Just use 'pkg-config' like everybody else.
I don't.

pkgconf [1] is a valid replacement of pkg-config (by implementing it
with even more features and better .pc handling) and available on many,
if not all, distros (e.g. [2] [3] [4]). In some it is even the default
by now.

Additionally, this is all better, than relying on a convenience layer
hack job, such as the `freetype-config` script (that should've never
even been part of pkg-config to begin with).

Best,
David

[1] https://git.dereferenced.org/pkgconf/pkgconf
[2] https://packages.debian.org/sid/pkgconf
[3] https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pkgconf
[4] 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/pkgconf_as_system_pkg-config_implementation

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Re: [LAD] ?==?utf-8?q? Updates

[Ralf Mattes]

 
Am Montag, 27. August 2018 21:42 CEST, Fons Adriaensen  
schrieb: 

> 
> Nothing has changed in the Aeolus code, and I haven't seen this 
> on any on the 20 or so systems it was tested on. Probably some
> problem with your desktop / window manager / X11 system.

Oh, sorry. This is actually a problem I have since quite a while, but since I 
usually
run aeolus on a headless box I never bothered to report (and, somehow, I had the
impression that aeolus wasn't under active development).
The window manager is actually extremley simple (wingo) and seems to work fine 
with all other applications (admittedly not a very sound argument ...).

 Cheers, RalfD
 


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Re: [LAD] ?==?utf-8?q? Updates

[Christopher Arndt]

Am 26.08.18 um 14:49 schrieb Ralf Mattes:
>  
> Am Sonntag, 26. August 2018 13:07 CEST, Fons Adriaensen  
> schrieb: 
>> I seem to have both pkgconf and pkg-config, and on Archlinux both
>> are even provided by the same package.
>>
>> I used pkgconf as suggested by an Archlinux packager. Don't know 
>> if this is the best choice to support other distros.
> 
> No, it's not.

>> Anyway, all that is required is -I/usr/include/freetype2 and maybe
>> that is what I should use.

> Please don't.

Agree on both accounts. Just use 'pkg-config' like everybody else.


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Re: [LAD] ?==?utf-8?q? Updates

[Ralf Mattes]

 
Ah, one more thimg I forgot to mention:
when I try to close aeolus windows (Instrument/Audio etc.) the window stays 
open but the
contents disapears (windows stays white).

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Re: [LAD] ?==?utf-8?q? Updates

[Ralf Mattes]

 
Am Sonntag, 26. August 2018 11:24 CEST, Fons Adriaensen  
schrieb: 
 
 
> That is what pkgconf --cflags freetype2 is supposed to do. 
> Could you be using an older version of freetype ? It used to have its
> own config command which was removed and replaced by using pkgconf 
> in recent releases. This was one of the reasons to review all of
> the Makefiles.

Hmm - are you shure that program is called 'pkgconf'? If we are talking about 
that freedesktop.org
program (https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/pkg-config/) that tends to 
be called 'pkg-config' ...

Cheers, RalfD


 
 
 
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Re: [LAD] ?==?utf-8?q? Updates

[Ralf Mattes]

 
Just ashort feedback:
on my Debian (Testing) I needed to add '-I/usr/include/freetype2' to the 
Makefile of both
clxclient and aeolus.

 Cheers, and thank's 

 RalfD

Am Samstag, 25. August 2018 14:52 CEST, Fons Adriaensen  
schrieb: 
 
> Hello all,
> 
> Updates are available at
> 
> 
> 
> for all of the following:
> 
>   aeolus-0.9.7
>   ambdec-0.7.1
>   clthreads-2.4.2
>   clxclient-3.9.2
>   ebumeter-0.4.2
>   jaaa-0.9.2
>   jack_delay-0.4.2
>   jack_utils-0.0.1
>   japa-0.9.2
>   jconvolver-1.0.2
>   jkmeter-0.6.5
>   jmatconvol-0.3.3
>   jmeters-0.4.4
>   jnoisemeter-0.2.2
>   octofile-0.3.2
>   tetraproc-0.8.6
>   yass-0.1.0
>   zita-ajbridge-0.8.2
>   zita-alsa-pcmi-0.3.2
>   zita-at1-0.6.2
>   zita-bls1-0.3.3
>   zita-convolver-4.0.2
>   zita-dpl1-0.3.3
>   zita-jclient-0.4.2
>   zita-lrx-0.1.2
>   zita-mu1-0.3.3
>   zita-njbridge-0.4.4
>   zita-resampler-1.6.2
>   zita-rev1-0.2.2
> 
> For most of them this is just small bug fixes, general maintenance,
> and above all a systematic cleanup of the Makefiles.
> 
> Also the jacktools python package (presented at LAC 2018) is
> available now. I actually did upload the files just before
> the conference, but forgot to update index.html...
> 
> Ciao,
> 
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