Re: [LAD] [ANN] invada-studio-plugins-lv2-1.0.0
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Fraser fra...@arkhostings.com wrote: Justin Smith wrote: now I am trying to figure out how to access the GUI controls, neither ardour nor rosegarden seem to let me do this, are they the wrong apps, or am I using the apps the wrong way? The custom GUI's are an optional extension, it's up to the host app (ardour etc) to decide if it wants to use the custom GUI or generate it's own. If the host app supports the LV2 UI extension it'll show the custom gui automatically. Rosegarden does not support LV2 at all, so presumably you're just seeing the LADSPA versions of these plugins there. Even if it did support LV2, it couldn't support the GUIs because (unless it has changed dramatically since I last looked at it) the LV2 GUI extension is limited to a single host toolkit which Rosegarden does not use, namely GTK. Chris ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [ANN] invada-studio-plugins-lv2-1.0.0
Chris Cannam can...@all-day-breakfast.com writes: Even if it did support LV2, it couldn't support the GUIs because (unless it has changed dramatically since I last looked at it) the LV2 GUI extension is limited to a single host toolkit which Rosegarden does not use, namely GTK. There is external UI extension that allows plugin to launch the GUI in separate process. -- Nedko Arnaudov GnuPG KeyID: DE1716B0 pgpjYhuSP47Tv.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [ANN] invada-studio-plugins-lv2-1.0.0
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Nedko Arnaudov ne...@arnaudov.name wrote: Chris Cannam can...@all-day-breakfast.com writes: Even if it did support LV2, it couldn't support the GUIs because (unless it has changed dramatically since I last looked at it) the LV2 GUI extension is limited to a single host toolkit which Rosegarden does not use, namely GTK. There is external UI extension that allows plugin to launch the GUI in separate process. The Invada plugins look (from the screenshots) to have some active components such as meters. Would these work using the external UI extension? The basic question is: if LV2 support was added to Rosegarden using all of the latest available technology, would anyone notice any difference between Invada plugins hosted in Rosegarden and the same plugins hosted in Ardour? My impression is that they would, if the plugins have GUIs that use facilities that are not open to current external UIs such as those for DSSI. Chris ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [ANN] invada-studio-plugins-lv2-1.0.0
Chris Cannam can...@all-day-breakfast.com writes: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Nedko Arnaudov ne...@arnaudov.name wrote: Invada plugins don't have external UI. If you are going to add LV2 support to Rosegarden I'll add external UI support to Invada. I promise. That is a worthy promise; thank you. But what are the chances of new plugin developers being prepared to do that extra work themselves, as a general matter? (I realise that's a rhetorical question, or at least one you can't be expected to have the answer to. Fraser might have some thoughts, perhaps?) If they are prepared to do DSSI like stuff (the only alternative we have ATM), they can reuse the DSSI-like universal wrapper. The code needs only two defines, UI_EXECUTABLE and UI_URI. If they are not, then maybe they are looking for in-process UI extension that is toolkit independent. I have idea about cairo UI extension but it will require abstracting mouse and keyboard events. Also it will force plugin authors to use some kind of [custom] widget toolkit based on cairo. -- Nedko Arnaudov GnuPG KeyID: DE1716B0 pgpJWlNzmUaVx.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [ANN] invada-studio-plugins-lv2-1.0.0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nedko Arnaudov wrote: Invada plugins don't have external UI. If you are going to add LV2 support to Rosegarden I'll add external UI support to Invada. I promise. At least let me try and fail first. ;) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKIm40NZroiEh4erwRAphuAJ9EDGt/uPsHX0BIa891d+vMmOeIAgCcC4j6 Rm8TxjBBvvIm/E1g1led1ao= =QxF0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [ANN] invada-studio-plugins-lv2-1.0.0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chris, Chris Cannam wrote: (I realise that's a rhetorical question, or at least one you can't be expected to have the answer to. Fraser might have some thoughts, perhaps?) Well my motivation was pretty selfish I guess. I pretty much limited myself to extensions on this page: http://lv2plug.in/spec/ rather than this one: http://lv2plug.in/docs/index.php?title=Main_Page as I figured they'd have the widest adoption and thus my plugins would run in the most hosts as intended. My main concern was compatibility. It wasn't that I thought the time investment in developing plugins using External UI Extension was too high, I just figured it was better spent on using what I can see is already utilised. That being said I'd much rather have a generic solution to UI's than a toolkit specific one, and for exactly the same reason (host compatibility). If, several months ago, I'd found myself having to choose between two extensions for UI I would have gone for the External UI as they both had the same learning curve (to me). regards, Fraser -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKInANNZroiEh4erwRAsTgAJ4lq+gkB4oCg9a84Jdo9RBfNI48GQCdFaev 7ID1xllTsaTK5tFHzBouyqQ= =gNKB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [ANN] invada-studio-plugins-lv2-1.0.0
Fraser fra...@arkhostings.com writes: Nedko Arnaudov wrote: Invada plugins don't have external UI. If you are going to add LV2 support to Rosegarden I'll add external UI support to Invada. I promise. At least let me try and fail first. ;) I assumed you have better things to do ;) -- Nedko Arnaudov GnuPG KeyID: DE1716B0 pgpqWBo3tZrk1.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
[LAD] [ANN] invada-studio-plugins-lv2-1.0.0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everyone, I'm pleased to announce the initial 'LV2' release of the Invada Studio Plugins which feature plugin GUI's along with a new 'Stereo Phaser' plugin. The plugins have been tested on Arch 2009.02, Ubuntu Hardy and Ubuntu Jaunty (amd64) using Ardour 2.8 Lars Luthman's Elven but if you come across something that doesn't look right (or is plain broken) please log it as a bug via the Invada Studio Launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/invada-studio More information source download can be found here: http://www.invadarecords.com/Downloads.php?ID=0264 For those running Ubuntu or derivatives, packages for Hardy, Jaunty, Intrepid Karmic exist in the Invada PPA: https://launchpad.net/~invada/+archive/ppa Any Feedback / comments welcome. Enjoy! Fraser. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKIO/1NZroiEh4erwRArYFAJwO6dYaLr2m3vHPji/DYQA5muvE/gCfYfYj S30U9TNMJPG5CJ4dJZ80c6A= =/Om7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [ANN] invada-studio-plugins-lv2-1.0.0
On Sat, 30 May 2009 18:36:05 +1000 Fraser fra...@arkhostings.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everyone, I'm pleased to announce the initial 'LV2' release of the Invada Studio Plugins which feature plugin GUI's along with a new 'Stereo Phaser' plugin. The plugins have been tested on Arch 2009.02, Ubuntu Hardy and Ubuntu Jaunty (amd64) using Ardour 2.8 Lars Luthman's Elven but if you come across something that doesn't look right (or is plain broken) please log it as a bug via the Invada Studio Launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/invada-studio More information source download can be found here: http://www.invadarecords.com/Downloads.php?ID=0264 For those running Ubuntu or derivatives, packages for Hardy, Jaunty, Intrepid Karmic exist in the Invada PPA: https://launchpad.net/~invada/+archive/ppa Any Feedback / comments welcome. Enjoy! Fraser. Great, I'm sure a lot of people will like the GUIs, these are the fanciest LV2 GUIs I've seen to date. If you don't mind I'll package them for AUR as soon as I find time, so tomorrow or maybe today. Best Regards, Philipp ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [ANN] invada-studio-plugins-lv2-1.0.0
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:58 AM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote: On Sat, 30 May 2009 18:36:05 +1000 Fraser fra...@arkhostings.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everyone, I'm pleased to announce the initial 'LV2' release of the Invada Studio Plugins which feature plugin GUI's along with a new 'Stereo Phaser' plugin. The plugins have been tested on Arch 2009.02, Ubuntu Hardy and Ubuntu Jaunty (amd64) using Ardour 2.8 Lars Luthman's Elven but if you come across something that doesn't look right (or is plain broken) please log it as a bug via the Invada Studio Launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/invada-studio More information source download can be found here: http://www.invadarecords.com/Downloads.php?ID=0264 For those running Ubuntu or derivatives, packages for Hardy, Jaunty, Intrepid Karmic exist in the Invada PPA: https://launchpad.net/~invada/+archive/ppa Any Feedback / comments welcome. Enjoy! Fraser. Great, I'm sure a lot of people will like the GUIs, these are the fanciest LV2 GUIs I've seen to date. If you don't mind I'll package them for AUR as soon as I find time, so tomorrow or maybe today. Best Regards, Philipp ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev Speaking of the GUI's, I have not tried an lv2 plugin before. The plugins built and installed perfectly on my debian lenny system, but now I am trying to figure out how to access the GUI controls, neither ardour nor rosegarden seem to let me do this, are they the wrong apps, or am I using the apps the wrong way? ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [ANN] invada-studio-plugins-lv2-1.0.0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Philipp, hollun...@gmx.at wrote: If you don't mind I'll package them for AUR as soon as I find time, so tomorrow or maybe today. Sure, no problem. BTW I've got a point release coming up to deal with any issues that arise from the initial release. This will probably be out in the next week. I don't mind if you wait for that one. all the best, Fraser -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKIeDHNZroiEh4erwRArSkAKCiY+zpcJLVVawP7qR7+529uCQYxwCfba5n JxFl+iY9vjGEtP7AmCnC0ss= =bg2G -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [ANN] invada-studio-plugins-lv2-1.0.0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Justin, Justin Smith wrote: Speaking of the GUI's, I have not tried an lv2 plugin before. The plugins built and installed perfectly on my debian lenny system, but now I am trying to figure out how to access the GUI controls, neither ardour nor rosegarden seem to let me do this, are they the wrong apps, or am I using the apps the wrong way? The custom GUI's are an optional extension, it's up to the host app (ardour etc) to decide if it wants to use the custom GUI or generate it's own. If the host app supports the LV2 UI extension it'll show the custom gui automatically. If you run ardour from the command line you should see something like this when the plugin is initialised: Found UI http://invadarecords.com/plugins/lv2/phaser/stereo at index 0 in: /home/fraser/.lv2/invada.lv2/inv_phaser_gui.so Did you build ardour rosegarden yourself or are they from packages? What versions do you have installed? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKIePxNZroiEh4erwRApoIAJ9Yd00So5FTOxLeGCjhfhMaiCfzJQCdHGxZ aDXDSKSlfjtLAeYAHvCWbgc= =Yi6W -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [ANN] invada-studio-plugins-lv2-1.0.0
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Fraser fra...@arkhostings.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Justin, Justin Smith wrote: Speaking of the GUI's, I have not tried an lv2 plugin before. The plugins built and installed perfectly on my debian lenny system, but now I am trying to figure out how to access the GUI controls, neither ardour nor rosegarden seem to let me do this, are they the wrong apps, or am I using the apps the wrong way? The custom GUI's are an optional extension, it's up to the host app (ardour etc) to decide if it wants to use the custom GUI or generate it's own. If the host app supports the LV2 UI extension it'll show the custom gui automatically. If you run ardour from the command line you should see something like this when the plugin is initialised: Found UI http://invadarecords.com/plugins/lv2/phaser/stereo at index 0 in: /home/fraser/.lv2/invada.lv2/inv_phaser_gui.so Did you build ardour rosegarden yourself or are they from packages? What versions do you have installed? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKIePxNZroiEh4erwRApoIAJ9Yd00So5FTOxLeGCjhfhMaiCfzJQCdHGxZ aDXDSKSlfjtLAeYAHvCWbgc= =Yi6W -END PGP SIGNATURE- I am using ardour-i686 2.8, built from revision 4918 from the debian multimedia repositories, the version for debian lenny. stdout and stderr give no mention of a slv2 gui, perhaps I missed a compile flag or ardour 2.8 does not do the plugin GUI's. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [ANN] invada-studio-plugins-lv2-1.0.0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Justin, Justin Smith wrote: I am using ardour-i686 2.8, built from revision 4918 from the debian multimedia repositories, the version for debian lenny. stdout and stderr give no mention of a slv2 gui, perhaps I missed a compile flag or ardour 2.8 does not do the plugin GUI's. Ardour 2.8 supports LV2 gui's. Have you tried other LV2 plugins with GUIs? ie calf? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKIeqINZroiEh4erwRAhJcAKCNH8klh3GK8M+J4Ib3hQq8WT8vkACgluCj YFLhA4FDgsGh2aR2faiWaIY= =yUgm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [ANN] invada-studio-plugins-lv2-1.0.0
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Fraser fra...@arkhostings.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Justin, Justin Smith wrote: I am using ardour-i686 2.8, built from revision 4918 from the debian multimedia repositories, the version for debian lenny. stdout and stderr give no mention of a slv2 gui, perhaps I missed a compile flag or ardour 2.8 does not do the plugin GUI's. Ardour 2.8 supports LV2 gui's. Have you tried other LV2 plugins with GUIs? ie calf? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKIeqINZroiEh4erwRAhJcAKCNH8klh3GK8M+J4Ib3hQq8WT8vkACgluCj YFLhA4FDgsGh2aR2faiWaIY= =yUgm -END PGP SIGNATURE- calf is not available for debian, even with the multimedia repositories, and will not build from source because of a lack of any libjack.la file, I built ardour3 but the latest version crashes when creating a session. Maybe eventually I will either build my own jack and be sure to create libjack.la, or build my own ardour2.8 so I can double check that lv2 gui support is built in. I am kind of done messing around with software for today though. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
