[LAD] LAC "Tools" round-table wrapup
Hi LADs, Following up on the LAC Tools round-table, I've started a wiki page: http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/tools_comparison Since I've not taken part in the discussion, I'm missing a few footnotes and explanation for keys in the context (eg. batch, sync). Could you please enlighten me, or just fill in the missing content there. IMHO it'd also make sense to do a 2nd table with orthogonal practical information, for instance: audio: JACK,ALSA,.. midi: JACK,ALSA,ALSA-seq audio-file-formats: pcm,mp3,gig,mid,.. control: OSC,TCP,pipe,MMC,.. interop/sync: jack-transport,MTC plugins (if applicable): LV2,LADSPA,VST,AU,.. Come to think of it, those could be integrated in the apps-database as tags for each tool, similar to: http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/categories/jack_transport but let's get the categories/tags straightened out before starting on an implementation and posting it to LAU. What do you think? Cheers! robin ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] LAC "Tools" round-table wrapup
Excerpts from Robin Gareus's message of 2010-05-15 18:07:53 +0200: > Hi LADs, > > Following up on the LAC Tools round-table, I've started a wiki page: > http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/tools_comparison > > Since I've not taken part in the discussion, I'm missing a few footnotes > and explanation for keys in the context (eg. batch, sync). Could you > please enlighten me, or just fill in the missing content there. > > IMHO it'd also make sense to do a 2nd table with orthogonal practical > information, for instance: > audio: JACK,ALSA,.. > midi: JACK,ALSA,ALSA-seq > audio-file-formats: pcm,mp3,gig,mid,.. > control: OSC,TCP,pipe,MMC,.. > interop/sync: jack-transport,MTC > plugins (if applicable): LV2,LADSPA,VST,AU,.. > > Come to think of it, those could be integrated in the apps-database as > tags for each tool, similar to: > http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/categories/jack_transport > but let's get the categories/tags straightened out before starting on an > implementation and posting it to LAU. What do you think? > > Cheers! > robin I've also not taken part and hence don't even know what this is about. Can you enlighten me and show me where to read/listen/watch up on it? The table looks like it could become something useful, but you're right, it reminds of the apps.linuxaudio.org db, which could and should be expanded. -- Regards, Philipp ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] LAC "Tools" round-table wrapup
Philipp Überbacher wrote: > Excerpts from Robin Gareus's message of 2010-05-15 18:07:53 +0200: >> Hi LADs, >> >> Following up on the LAC Tools round-table, I've started a wiki page: >> http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/tools_comparison >> >> Since I've not taken part in the discussion, I'm missing a few footnotes >> and explanation for keys in the context (eg. batch, sync). Could you >> please enlighten me, or just fill in the missing content there. >> >> IMHO it'd also make sense to do a 2nd table with orthogonal practical >> information, for instance: >> audio: JACK,ALSA,.. >> midi: JACK,ALSA,ALSA-seq >> audio-file-formats: pcm,mp3,gig,mid,.. >> control: OSC,TCP,pipe,MMC,.. >> interop/sync: jack-transport,MTC >> plugins (if applicable): LV2,LADSPA,VST,AU,.. >> >> Come to think of it, those could be integrated in the apps-database as >> tags for each tool, similar to: >> http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/categories/jack_transport >> but let's get the categories/tags straightened out before starting on an >> implementation and posting it to LAU. What do you think? >> >> Cheers! >> robin > > I've also not taken part and hence don't even know what this is about. > Can you enlighten me and show me where to read/listen/watch up on it? nope. I'm looking for the same info :) The table on the wiki page is based on a spreadsheet that Albert Graef sent me. Neither the round-table, not the wrap-up session has been recorded. I know there've been ~15 people (most of which subscribe to LAD) participating in the round-table and ~50 in the wrap-up session. anyone please.. In partictular the "multi-rate", "sync" & "async" need clarification. I assume "multi-rate" means real-time resampling (different sample-rates in the _same_ session). Also "batch" is somewhat sloppy. Does it mean batch processing is available from inside the application or just that the app can be launched from a batch script? > The table looks like it could become something useful, but you're right, > it reminds of the apps.linuxaudio.org db, which could and should be > expanded. right, but the tools-overview is a bit different: It does not aim to be complete and puts focus on well-established frameworks to give an overview to newcomers: "I want to do an interactive A/V piece: What software do you recommend?" The round-table was intended to give developers an opportunity to position themselves and think about what a given app does best and how to distinguish one from the other; along the lines: "We don't need another framework, we need to consolidate existing ones". best, robin ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] LAC "Tools" round-table wrapup
Hi Robin, I can't get to the wiki page linked to in your previous post, so here are some hopefully useful remarks. Robin Gareus wrote: > In partictular the "multi-rate", "sync" & "async" need clarification. - multirate: The ability to deal with synchronous streams of (audio) data at different samplerates. - sync: synchronous (sample-based) processing at fixed samplerate(s) (typically audio and video). - async: asynchronous (event-based) processing (typically MIDI, OSC and the like). Note that we didn't have experts for all the mentioned programs on board during the discussion (most notably, the supercollider people were absent since they had a session in parallel), so it can't hurt if the feature matrix is proofread by as many eyeballs as possible. ;-) Albert -- Dr. Albert Gr"af Dept. of Music-Informatics, University of Mainz, Germany Email: dr.gr...@t-online.de, a...@muwiinfa.geschichte.uni-mainz.de WWW:http://www.musikinformatik.uni-mainz.de/ag ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] LAC "Tools" round-table wrapup
Hey Albert, On May 17, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Albert Graef wrote: > Hi Robin, > > I can't get to the wiki page linked to in your previous post, so here > are some hopefully useful remarks. > really? well we had a 30 min outage this afternoon (CEST) but the site's online: http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/tools_comparison > Robin Gareus wrote: >> In partictular the "multi-rate", "sync" & "async" need clarification. > > - multirate: The ability to deal with synchronous streams of (audio) > data at different samplerates. > > - sync: synchronous (sample-based) processing at fixed samplerate(s) > (typically audio and video). > > - async: asynchronous (event-based) processing (typically MIDI, OSC and > the like). > Thanks a lot. reading it like this makes perfect sense. There's two missing (which were mentioned in a follow up email): - batch (does it mean app can be called (headless) from a batch script, or that the app itself offers batch processing) - embed. means embedded or embeddable? > Note that we didn't have experts for all the mentioned programs on board > during the discussion (most notably, the supercollider people were > absent since they had a session in parallel), so it can't hurt if the > feature matrix is proofread by as many eyeballs as possible. ;-) There's already been quite some additions: http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/doku.php?id=wiki:tools_comparison&do=revisions In particular: Lua-AV, Snd-RT, CLM and Fluxus have been reviewed. Someone (84.215.119.162) recently added categories "RT" and "GC" without documenting them :/ IMHO real-time makes sense, but I' don't think that "garbage collection" (if that's what GC means) belongs in that table. Anyway, step 2 (next month) includes removing undocumented and superfluous information (eg. so far all discussed tools are x-platform). ciao, robin > Albert > > -- > Dr. Albert Gr"af > Dept. of Music-Informatics, University of Mainz, Germany > Email: dr.gr...@t-online.de, a...@muwiinfa.geschichte.uni-mainz.de > WWW:http://www.musikinformatik.uni-mainz.de/ag ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] LAC "Tools" round-table wrapup
Robin Gareus wrote: > really? well we had a 30 min outage this afternoon (CEST) but the site's > online: > http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/tools_comparison Well, then I must have tried during the downtime. ;-) Works for me now. > - batch (does it mean app can be called (headless) from a batch script, or > that the app itself offers batch processing) That was supposed to mean offline (audio) rendering, so it's the latter. > - embed. means embedded or embeddable? The latter. (I.e., app is available in the form of a library which you can link into your own programs.) Albert -- Dr. Albert Gr"af Dept. of Music-Informatics, University of Mainz, Germany Email: dr.gr...@t-online.de, a...@muwiinfa.geschichte.uni-mainz.de WWW:http://www.musikinformatik.uni-mainz.de/ag ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
