Re: [LAD] Re: Audio over Cat5

2007-10-02 Thread Jon Smirl
On 10/2/07, Dominic Sacré <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/2/07, Tosif Ahmed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes...thts exactly wat my question is, a wrt box which can play songs but
> > since it doesn't have speakers i want to use cat5 as the transport media.
>
> Does your WRT have USB ports? The usb-audio driver has been ported to
> OpenWRT, so you could use a USB audio interface attached directly to
> the WRT.

The WRT has a USB port but it is a pain to get to it. You need to
solder and add several parts.

Much easier to start from a Linksys NSLU2 and plug in a 802.11G stick
and USB audio stick. Run mpd and you are done.

>
> I haven't tried this myself yet, but sooner or later I think I will.
> My "router" already holds my entire music collection on a USB harddisk
> (exported via NFS and samba), so this would seem to be the next
> logical step :)
>
> Dominic
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Re: [LAD] Re: Audio over Cat5

2007-10-02 Thread Dominic Sacré
On 10/2/07, Tosif Ahmed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes...thts exactly wat my question is, a wrt box which can play songs but
> since it doesn't have speakers i want to use cat5 as the transport media.

Does your WRT have USB ports? The usb-audio driver has been ported to
OpenWRT, so you could use a USB audio interface attached directly to
the WRT.

I haven't tried this myself yet, but sooner or later I think I will.
My "router" already holds my entire music collection on a USB harddisk
(exported via NFS and samba), so this would seem to be the next
logical step :)

Dominic
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Re: [LAD] Re: Audio over Cat5

2007-10-02 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, 2007-10-03 at 01:02 +0530, Tosif Ahmed wrote:
> > As far as I got it the task/question was to use the Cat5-cables for
> analog
> > music-signals (which is not a problem) and have a digital (modified
> or
> > unmodified) WRT-router route the music to different ports or to
> produce the 
> > audio-signals on its ethernet-ports (which is a problem, i.e. not
> possible).
> 
> Yes...thts exactly wat my question is, a wrt box which can play songs
> but since it doesn't have speakers i want to use cat5 as the transport
> media. 
> 
> Now my idea is to use the wrt as a decoder, an external DAC and the
> output of the DAC to the  speakers, and the question here is about the
> feasibility of such an arrangement, will it work?
> 
> PS: have a look at this http://www.duff.dk/wrt54gs/ the author hasnt
> quite explained how he did the hardware part and thats wat i am
> interested in, albeit doing it a bit differently.

he is using the fact that the WRT has a serial port. he writes the
sample data to the serial port, which is connected to a PIC that in turn
has a speaker wired up to it.

he is not doing real D/A conversion in the traditional sense.

i do not believe that you will not be able to find a D/A converter that
speaks a protocol that you can implement in software.

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Re: [LAD] Re: Audio over Cat5

2007-10-02 Thread Tosif Ahmed
> As far as I got it the task/question was to use the Cat5-cables for analog
> music-signals (which is not a problem) and have a digital (modified or
> unmodified) WRT-router route the music to different ports or to produce
the
> audio-signals on its ethernet-ports (which is a problem, i.e. not
possible).

Yes...thts exactly wat my question is, a wrt box which can play songs but
since it doesn't have speakers i want to use cat5 as the transport media.

Now my idea is to use the wrt as a decoder, an external DAC and the output
of the DAC to the  speakers, and the question here is about the feasibility
of such an arrangement, will it work?

PS: have a look at this http://www.duff.dk/wrt54gs/ the author hasnt quite
explained how he did the hardware part and thats wat i am interested in,
albeit doing it a bit differently.
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Re: [LAD] Re: Audio over Cat5

2007-10-01 Thread torbenh
On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 08:25:47PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
> Am Montag, 1. Oktober 2007 schrieb Doug Helbling:
> > Regarding this whole audio over Cat5 thread, do we actually understand what
> > the objective is of this exercise / project?  Is the original authors use
> > of terminology such that we know what is actually supposed to be achieved?
> 
> > Sorry, I digress.  So tell me again ... what is the real goal of this
> > project?
> 
> As far as I got it the task/question was to use the Cat5-cables for analog 
> music-signals (which is not a problem) and have a digital (modified or 
> unmodified) WRT-router route the music to different ports or to produce the 
> audio-signals on its ethernet-ports (which is a problem, i.e. not possible).
> 

heh... with proper programming we could generate a DSD stream on the
ethernet output... even with GHz samplerate...

/me hides.



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Re: [LAD] Re: Audio over Cat5

2007-10-01 Thread Arnold Krille
Am Montag, 1. Oktober 2007 schrieb Doug Helbling:
> Regarding this whole audio over Cat5 thread, do we actually understand what
> the objective is of this exercise / project?  Is the original authors use
> of terminology such that we know what is actually supposed to be achieved?

> Sorry, I digress.  So tell me again ... what is the real goal of this
> project?

As far as I got it the task/question was to use the Cat5-cables for analog 
music-signals (which is not a problem) and have a digital (modified or 
unmodified) WRT-router route the music to different ports or to produce the 
audio-signals on its ethernet-ports (which is a problem, i.e. not possible).

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[LAD] Re: Audio over Cat5

2007-10-01 Thread Doug Helbling
Regarding this whole audio over Cat5 thread, do we actually understand what the 
objective is of this exercise / project?  Is the original authors use of 
terminology such that we know what is actually supposed to be achieved?

When I first read this, I thought the idea was to produce some sort of 
network-transported audio stream, like that of a video stream, something which 
could be "listened to" by some network-connected client computer with its own 
audio output hardware.  Since routers themselves have no speakers, I could not 
reach any other conclusion.  Now it sounds more like a hack to get packets to 
somehow generate audio as a byproduct ... kind of like the audio version of 
streaming video via ASCII on a character terminal.  Or a better analogy would 
be getting the old PC "speaker" to emit discernible sounds by sending digital 
data to it's IO port.

It reminds me of a story my uncle the television engineer told me about how 
there was a scrap pile of old bolts and cables lying on the floor in the corner 
of the antenna-transmitter shack of the VHF TV station where he was chief 
engineer for a number of years before he retired.  One day, after replacing a 
couple of guy wire mounting brackets on the tower (a tower of about 1200'), he 
threw the scrap hardware on the junk pile in the shack.  Suddenly, he could 
hear the audio signal for the station coming out of the junk pile.  He tried to 
leave the pile undisturbed after that to preserve the effect, but eventually 
someone bumped or otherwise changed the pile and it stopped "working".

Sorry, I digress.  So tell me again ... what is the real goal of this project?

- Doug H

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