Re: [LAD] [LAU] VocProc - vocal processing app

2010-02-04 Thread Adrian Knoth
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 12:04:17AM +0100, Igor Brkic wrote:

Hi!

> It is basically the same thing as fons' jretune or Tom's autotalent. I

Thanks for mentioning jretune. I haven't noticed this, but just asked
Fons for a copy.

Autotalent is completely unusable, the artefacts are just too obvious.
If you like, check out

   http://adi.loris.tv/testfiles.tar.bz2

The "corrected" version ruins your whole production. ;)


I tried VocProc, it's less critical, but it's a little hard to find
suitable settings for threshold and attack.

> it. I have not tried any of the above for now, so I cannot say
> anything about sound quality differences.

What I hear for now: It's better than autotalent, but I'm waiting for
jretune to test. The idea of selecting the correct notes via toggle
buttons as done in jretune is good, it's the same as in autotune.

Like all stand-alone jack tools, it's usability hell. Starting and
wiring a tool sucks, the settings aren't saved in the session and so on.
This should clearly be a LV2 plugin. (the whole issue becomes obvious
when you think of mixing twelve vocal tracks)

VocProc also connects to physical ins/out at startup. This is annoying.
It's a typical post-production tool, so given that I'm already annoyed
by manually wiring it as an Insert inside ardour, I'll first have to
remove VocProc's physical IO to get the routing right. It doesn't make
sense at all to connect anything at startup.


Next: VocProc changes the volume. At Gain=0, it's off, which is weird. A
0dB gain means "no additional boost", but not off. Ok, so I tried
Gain=1, which makes the output louder than the input.

This isn't crucial, but it's not common. I don't want to alter a track's
volume just because I added pitch correction.


So plenty of room for improvements. ;)


HTH

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Re: [LAD] [LAU] VocProc - vocal processing app

2010-02-04 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 02/04/2010 05:12 PM, Adrian Knoth wrote:

> Like all stand-alone jack tools, it's usability hell.
>
> VocProc also connects to physical ins/out at startup.
>
> Next: VocProc changes the volume.
>
> So plenty of room for improvements. ;)

easy, man. it's the first public release, and it sez oh-dot-twelve :)
which means some-way-to-go-to-shrinkwrapping.

i'm sure the author would be delighted to have your feedback in a 
slightly more diplomatic tone. because you do have a point...
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Re: [LAD] [LAU] VocProc - vocal processing app

2010-02-04 Thread Igor Brkic
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Adrian Knoth  wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 12:04:17AM +0100, Igor Brkic wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> . . .
>
> So plenty of room for improvements. ;)
>


Thanks for comments and suggestions. I agree with you about things you
mentioned. Till now I mostly used it for fun and not in real
production so I didn't came upon these problems. But it is still in
very early stage of development so..

I started writing it as a standalone JACK client because I wanted to
write it as soon as possible without messing up with specifications. I
just took some code from Faust project that instantly gave me GUI and
JACK interface.

I have actually already started porting it to LV2 (if started can be
described as started reading LV2 documentation :)). It will take a
some time to release it because of some other things I have to do in
next few days. BTW it saves the settings on quitting (at least for the
last closed instance) :D

About gain and automatic connecting to ins/outs... Both are actually
leftovers from debugging. It was simpler for me to just run it and not
to mess up with wiring too. Gain is not in dB. It is actual
amplification.


Igor
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