Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux fromproprietary world [was: New powermacs?]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 23 Juin 2003 13:59, Ivica Bukvic a écrit : > Darwin was not developed by Apple. It's originally a project that was > developed on Intel machines. Apple took it on since it had an > acceptable license (BSD). Apple Safari browser is based on a GPL software. That's also acceptable. > However, no one has yet managed to propose an alternative that would > resolve the dilemma that started the whole discussion -- ensuring that > Linux-developed audio software primarily benefits Linux, not a > non-related third-party OS that makes money off of our sweat. Linux-developed audio software should benefit any project or product, either gratis or commercial, as long as it's source code is released and protected in order to stay free. The GNU/Linux community now invests a lot of money, because it believes in a business model based on free software and open standards. There's no dilemna. It all make sense. - -- Marc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+92cWQdzoeKQ0PccRApJ9AJwK1ZDaYbDfAZlt8R061KhXU6RJ0ACg8rAE 3V+cGdZzrz+WDAo3qGZcVVE= =Bk2m -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linuxfrom proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]
On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 10:59, Ivica Bukvic wrote: > > It is important to note some of Apple's contributions to the open > > source community besides darwin. > > Darwin was not developed by Apple. It's originally a project that was > developed on Intel machines. Apple took it on since it had an acceptable > license (BSD). I think the chain is somewhat longer (for the kernel): *bsd* (don't remember which one - mach kernel) -> NeXTstep (initially only m68k, proprietary hardware) -> NEXTSTEP (i386, ordinary pc's + sparc + hp + m68k) -> OpenStep (i386/m68k - don't remember when the others got dropped) -> Rhapsody (sp?) [NeXT is bought by Apple - or was this before Rhapsody?] -> Darwin -- Fernando
[linux-audio-dev] horgand v1.02
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! ... again ... News in v1.02 (23/06/2003) - - - - Bass file pattern editor. - - Posibility to load-save your rythm patterns. - - New command line option. - - Added more chords to recognition. - - Bug in +7 chord resolved. REQUERIMENTS: * FAST COMPUTER * LINUX * LIBSNDFILE * ALSA * JACK * FLTK 1.1 Web Page : http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/soudfontcombi/ Josep -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+913Vf+RUK4BijKMRAvvZAJ96NkkhGMDx96B9LuxMpeFNCxcSWwCfQhjV +1FSK2ViLFSw1ufEdmam6g8= =581W -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux fromproprietary world [was: New powermacs?]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 23 Juin 2003 15:04, Fred Gleason a écrit : > If some third party chooses to "make money off my sweat", well, > they're welcome to it. Making money was not my primary goal > anyway. I agree. Besides, free software and money are not incompatible. A free software developer can be paid to release its code as GPL. There's at least one company who released its source code as GPL with a bunch of paypal contributions (blender.org). - -- Marc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+91iyQdzoeKQ0PccRAkF8AJ40s0jSRiCzXn+m+HNf9okoRfFCtgCgkKRK pAWQkOQsFgfa57+i/Hjs+iU= =VQDk -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux fromproprietary world [was: New powermacs?]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 23 Juin 2003 13:44, Ivica Bukvic a écrit : > It's IBM, Redhat, and many other companies with interests that pour big > bucks as well as contribute code in the kernel development. That's wonderful, as long as they don't close the source or impose restrictions or it's usage. :-) - -- Marc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+91ZCQdzoeKQ0PccRAgYzAKDTFRrr9SkwovBdbVeup3kU1SDjHQCeLcJ5 t9UglH/Vj1Jp7GkZtpLKJhE= =B3KD -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]
On Monday 23 June 2003 13:59, Ivica Bukvic wrote: > However, no one has yet managed to propose an alternative that would > resolve the dilemma that started the whole discussion -- ensuring that > Linux-developed audio software primarily benefits Linux, not a > non-related third-party OS that makes money off of our sweat. Personally, I'm not sure I care. The whole reason I originally got into this Linux thing was to stretch my mind while having some fun. If others find my efforts useful for solving their own challenges, that's terrific. If some third party chooses to "make money off my sweat", well, they're welcome to it. Making money was not my primary goal anyway. Just my $.02 Cheers! |-| | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Salem Radio Labs | | Voice: 1-(540)-341-2880 | 87 Lee Highway, Suite 11 | |FAX: 1-(540)-341-7176|Warrenton, VA 20188| |-| | All progress is based upon a universal innate desire of every organism | | to live beyond its income. | | -- Samuel Butler| |"Notebooks" | |-|
RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]
> It is important to note some of Apple's contributions to the open > source community besides darwin. Darwin was not developed by Apple. It's originally a project that was developed on Intel machines. Apple took it on since it had an acceptable license (BSD). > Several compiler and debugger > engineers that I worked with at Cygnus Solutions before it was bought > by Red Hat now work at Apple. These people work full time on gcc and > gdb and all contributions go back to these projects. Optimizations and > improvements for the PPC architecture in gcc and gdb benefits Linux on > that platform as much as Apple. The html rendering engine of Apple's > Safari browser is based on Konquerer, and the improvements Apple made > are being contributed back to the project. Those contributions are in my personal experience, yet to be noticed. Konqueror was a formidable browser before Safari, and so it is now. As it stands right now, Apple has gained a lot more from the community than it has given back. Granted giving something instead of nothing is certainly better, but in my opinion not good enough. After all, you have to consider the impetus behind these moves on Apple's part. They did not choose to do this because they like oss, but because they have no alternative. Msft has held them in check with the crappy version of IE for years and they simply waited until Konqueror engine became good enough so that they could implement it without investing too much dev time. Same goes for the gcc and gdb. They took on a project that has been quite optimized for the PPC platform. For instance, it was Redhat who added the altivec optimizations to gnu compiler, not Apple. Hence, Apple's contributions are marginal at best. > So where do you draw the line? Companies that don't contribute to open > source? Companies that sell anything proprietary (which would eliminate > Red Hat, check the licensing on some of their high end products). And > if you want to punish M$, nothing is more powerful than the GPL. That > license terrifies them. This truly is a pickle. But as it stands right now, I'd say any OS that has one impenetrable closed-source layer that is essential for the workings of the OS is in my eyes closed-source. Redhat's closed source products are not essential for the functioning of Linux, they are a mered add-on software, as opposed to the Apple's Quartz (and other underlying closed-source elements, such as Finder etc.), or Msft's entire OS. > The beauty of the GPL is that it is blind like justice. Free means > always and forever free. Very true. As it is right now, I've received a lot of convincing rebuttals of my idea, which certainly is a good thing, and I thank you all for that. However, no one has yet managed to propose an alternative that would resolve the dilemma that started the whole discussion -- ensuring that Linux-developed audio software primarily benefits Linux, not a non-related third-party OS that makes money off of our sweat. Any takers? ;-) Ico
[linux-audio-dev] INVESTMENT PROPOSAL
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RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]
> > How do you think the Linux kernel is being developed so fast? > > By enthusiatic developers with enough money to survive. Wrong. How do you think Linus will now dedicate full-time to developing kernel, from paypal contributions from other geeks? It's IBM, Redhat, and many other companies with interests that pour big bucks as well as contribute code in the kernel development. Granted, Linus is not the only contributor, and there is huge contingent of people who simply give because they believe. Yet, the overall movement is perhaps the most heavily funded aspect of the Linux OS. In part by observing this trend I was hoping to somehow adjust it so it fits better needs of the LAD software (or perhaps to minimize problem that has caused me to pursue this issue in the first place). > Musicians rarely care about their liberty. You should not expect the music > industry, even your academic circle, to strongly embrace the free > software movement. You might be forced to use proprietary tools, so in > this case you better want free software to run on any computer. Good points. It saddens me, tough, that the artists take liberties so casually. Ico
Re: [linux-audio-dev] realtime compression
Have a look at Speex (http://speex.org/). ::: sam ::: >Hi to all, > >I´m looking for a codec that is able to do realtime compression as fast as >possible in order to use it for high speed audioconferencing. >Thought about values < 5ms ... don´t know what´s possible and what not - >just a first request, any information appreaciated. > >Thanks in advance -- A l e x
[linux-audio-dev] CheeseTracker 0.8.0 is out
New in this release: -Total rewrite of the interface and half the core player engine. -CheeseTracker now uses the Qt toolkit. -Nicely featured sample editor. -High amount of customization options. -Interface improvements in nearly all aspects, it should be more userfriendly and intuitive. -MDI support, many songs can be loaded and played together, for live performance or simply data exchange purposes. -Dozens of bugfixes since 0.5. URL: http://www.reduz.com.ar/cheesetronic The mandatory screenshots: http://www.reduz.com.ar/cheesetronic/index.php?section=6 Cheers! Juan Linietsky
Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]
On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 10:46 AM, Ivica Bukvic wrote: Not a _specific_ OS. There are _many_ open-source OS's out there and none of them have monopolistic agenda like Apple or M$. Nor do they use the open-source community efforts to promote their own commercial products. It is important to note some of Apple's contributions to the open source community besides darwin. Several compiler and debugger engineers that I worked with at Cygnus Solutions before it was bought by Red Hat now work at Apple. These people work full time on gcc and gdb and all contributions go back to these projects. Optimizations and improvements for the PPC architecture in gcc and gdb benefits Linux on that platform as much as Apple. The html rendering engine of Apple's Safari browser is based on Konquerer, and the improvements Apple made are being contributed back to the project. So where do you draw the line? Companies that don't contribute to open source? Companies that sell anything proprietary (which would eliminate Red Hat, check the licensing on some of their high end products). And if you want to punish M$, nothing is more powerful than the GPL. That license terrifies them. The beauty of the GPL is that it is blind like justice. Free means always and forever free. Thomas
[linux-audio-dev] |||| Gain/Peak indicator
Hi to developers I'm search for realtime sound and peak gain indicator (db) algorithms and formulas. My first idea is all 16 bit absolute sound_sample_values in time interval t1...t2 compare with ethalon sine wave ( where ethalon sine wave amplitude is 32000 and lenght/2 is t2-t1 ) Also for sound limiter (compressor) algorithms . i'm newbie in sound/dsp programming any help welcomed tnx in advance RalfsK --- This message contains no viruses. Guaranteed by Kaspersky Anti-Virus. www.antivirus.lv
RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linuxfrom proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]
On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 04:25, Ivica Bukvic wrote: > > Hopefully, at some point, most of the computing chain will be > > free, including the hardware. > > And who will fund such a development? How do you think the Linux kernel > is being developed so fast? If we wait for us geeks to come up with such > a machine, at this pace I'll be long dead before that happens, so > meanwhile I am trying to cook-up the second best thing that might just > happen within my lifetime. http://www.f-cpu.org/ http://www.opencores.org/projects/ These might be of interest -- Bob Ham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[linux-audio-dev] ANN: Call Commander Beta Release
Salem Radio Labs is pleased to announce the public release of version 1.1.2 of Call Commander, a high-performance call screening and management system targeted for use in professional talk radio environments. This is a beta release that adds the following new features: Support for the Comrex/Gentner TS-612 Mutliline Telephone System A call skimmer to allow automatic, unattended recording of selected calls to hard drive. Support for logging calls to tables in a mySQL database. Enhanced hotkey support. Further information, screenshots and download links can be found at: http://www.salemradiolabs.com/callcommander/ Call Commander runs on the GNU/Linux operating system, and is available under the GNU General Public License Cheers! |-| | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Salem Radio Labs | | Voice: 1-(540)-341-2880 | 87 Lee Highway, Suite 11 | |FAX: 1-(540)-341-7176|Warrenton, VA 20186| |-| | To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk.| | -- Thomas Edison| |-|
[linux-audio-dev] realtime compression
Hi to all, I´m looking for a codec that is able to do realtime compression as fast as possible in order to use it for high speed audioconferencing. Thought about values < 5ms ... don´t know what´s possible and what not - just a first request, any information appreaciated. Thanks in advance -- A l e x
RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]
> if you assume what i'm saying two paragraphs up is in some way > accurate, then it makes sense that you should make software so good > that it will make people want to switch (and once they switch to the > audio software and are happy, motivating a switch to linux is easy). Well, that's what I am not so sure of. If they can use this better app x on their OS which is not Linux, why switch? Just because it is "free" is not good enough (at least not in my personal experience of teaching Linux). > by the way what is your particular research bent/area? it seems like > that would in the short term be the easiest and most likely way of > doing it (ie grants to fund development of a foundation and set of > applications which have much greater flexibility and appeal to more > users (than say Csound, et.al.) might without the high cost and > inflexibility of proprietary solutions). I am a composer, but also a student (DMA -- soon to be done), hence my sphere of influence is currently minimal. I am lucky enough that I got the blessing from my department to start my own course "Linux & Multimedia" and get some marginal funding for the computer equipment (I did not get paid squat, I was doing it because I like teaching it and I believe in it). This course came as a result of the fact that Linux, after the advent of OS X and porting of the pertinent GPL'ed apps to it, became (at least to the powers that be) a second-rate citizen in the audio studios, so I decided to create a separate class that would expose students to the power of Linux. Csound et al. already run on OSX and that is why I started this whole thread because I wanted to somehow find a way to shield the Linux and GPL'ed software designed on it by restricting it to Linux and hence encouraging use of Linux by others who might not be aware of its more important advantages (or not value them enough to switch) over its commercial alternatives. Ico
