Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: The Image (usablity) problem from aMusicians point of view
John Lazzaro wrote: Lea Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Wishing for people to write native apps for a system with no market is like wishing Windows would die. It might happen, but it's not bloody likely. However, if you port a novel Linux application to Windows or OS X, the users on those platforms are quite happy to add the free tool to their workflow if it helps them do their work better. This is how the GNU project got its start, after all -- free, usable software that ran on popular commercial UNIX platforms. Sfront has taken this route -- most of my users are non-Linux users now. I can think of some other examples: pd jMax (many users of those apps were looking for a free Max/MSP replacement, or had been using pd on windows) CSound CLM/CM (All of which started on Unices other than Linux, but hey) There is also a growing degree of overlap between people running OS X and Linux. Many people I know have or have access to both platforms, and an eye towards OS X portability might be something *some* (I did _not_ say all or even most) developers *might* (I did _not_ say should) keep in mind. -dgm
Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: The Image (usablity) problem from aMusicians point of view
Paul Davis wrote: (*) of course, no public release of nuendo for beos, or (i think) even nuendo for irix, has ever took place. Rather unfortunate, in many ways. I love Irix, and and you would think it wouldn't be too hard to port the Irx code to Linux. -dgm (Who has been searching for a copy of Irix for Nuendo for the last few years so that he would be able to justify buying that used O2 he fantasizes about every now and again)
Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: The Image (usablity) problem from aMusicians point of view
This is the same issue as with Linux Games. Does wine hurt or help? Well, here's my take: If Linux doesn't run the software they're used to then they wont use it in the first place. Once there is a marketbase, then the NEXT generation of stuff would be written natively as they would see that it gives them more benefit. Wishing for people to write native apps for a system with no market is like wishing Windows would die. It might happen, but it's not bloody likely. -Lea. On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 11:23, Steve Harris wrote: > I'm not sure this would be a great idea. It looks good to say we support > 90% of DX plugins (or whatever), but it might just disuade developers from > porting to native linux binaries. You can bet DX emulation would be slower > and less reliable than native Windows, giving the impression that Linux > was slow and unreliable. > > Given that many of the respected plugin developers allready release for > Windows, Macos and TDM, I dont think they would have a problem with adding > Linux to that list. Not that there is an API for them to port to, but that > is another matter... > > - Steve >
Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: The Image (usablity) problem from aMusicians point of view
>From my experience with linux and audio I would say it is too early to start widely promoting linux as a professional audio solution, in general. It is just not there at this point. A couple of things could be "promoted", though. Companies or individuals that want to offer commercial (professional) linux audio solutions or services can promote their product(s). I think it is _not_ impossible to assemble a turnkey solution that will work for a given task. If it works and you want to sell it, then of course you have to promote it somehow. But it is the company promoting a product, not the linux audio community as a whole promoting the platform. Another one would be sharing success stories. If you are using linux in a professional audio environment successfully then by all means tell the world (and us :-). But tell the whole story, including the painful start (_if_ it was painful, of course :-) as well. I'm not talking here about the more common "I finally got ardour to work and it is cool" but the "I cut an album with ardour, it was not easy but the end result is great" (just an example). IMHO word of mouth from users that are happy with their systems is what should make linux successfull in the professional audio world. When that happens big commercial companies will probably also take notice. -- Fernando
Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: The Image (usablity) problem from aMusicians point of view
On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 02:23, Paul Davis wrote: > But there are not very many "pro > audio" plugins under DirectX - lots of instruments and wierdo > enthusiast FX, but not the sort of stuff that ProTools, Nuendo and > Logic users are inclined towards. Waaahh!!! I would disagree. The Waves bundles are seriously good and goes for thousands of dollars. Hardly low end stuff. But I do agree that there is a lot of what you say. The instruments are DXi though. > the reason mplayer works is either: > > * they are using wine to help them out > * the codecs are free of all MS system calls > > i'd think that the second one was likely. unfortunately for plugins, > especially DirectX ones that come with a GUI, this is not likely to be > the case there. plugins are at least an order of magnitude more > complex than most codec modules. I never said it would be easy :) -Lea.
