Re: [PATCH 1/3] btrfs: Add incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid()
On 04/21/2018 10:43 AM, Qu Wenruo wrote: On 2018年04月21日 10:38, Anand Jain wrote: On 04/20/2018 11:15 PM, David Sterba wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 10:32:03PM +0800, Anand Jain wrote: On 04/19/2018 05:38 PM, Qu Wenruo wrote: Although we have already checked incompat flags manually before really mounting it, we could still enhance btrfs_check_super_valid() to check incompat flags for later write time super block validation check. This patch adds such incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid(), currently it won't be triggered, but provides the basis for later write time check. Signed-off-by: Qu Wenruo --- fs/btrfs/disk-io.c | 13 + 1 file changed, 13 insertions(+) diff --git a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c index 60caa68c3618..ec123158f051 100644 --- a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c +++ b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c @@ -4104,6 +4104,19 @@ static int btrfs_check_super_valid(struct btrfs_fs_info *fs_info) ret = -EINVAL; } + /* + * Before calling btrfs_check_super_valid() we have already checked + * incompat flags. So if we developr new incompat flags, it's must be + * some corruption. + */ + if (btrfs_super_incompat_flags(sb) & ~BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP) { + btrfs_err(fs_info, + "corrupted incompat flags detected 0x%llx, supported 0x%llx", 2707 features = btrfs_super_incompat_flags(disk_super) & 2708 ~BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP; 2709 if (features) { 2710 btrfs_err(fs_info, 2711 "cannot mount because of unsupported optional features (%llx)", 2712 features); 2713 err = -EINVAL; 2714 goto fail_alloc; 2715 } So there's a "user experience" change, now that you pointed out the other check. Its a regression. If a filesystem with incompat bits set will be mounted, this will say 'you have corrupted filesystem', which is not IMO what we want to tell. Tough the extended btrfs_check_super_valid could catch the corrupted incompat bits, what we need at mount time is wording from the 2nd message ("cannot mount unsuppported features"). I think that there should be a separate function that does the pre-commit checks, calls btrfs_check_super_valid and also validates the incompat bit. We can still print it as 'unsupported optional features', which would imply corruption in the non-mount context. In that case such wording is not obvious enough to info it's super block corruption. If the device is already mounted. Then its a corruption. Thanks, Anand So I still prefer current way of checking incompact flags and csum types manually at mount time before btrfs_validate_super(). David's idea of a separate function to do mount time check and gives better prompt is pretty good. Especially for incompat features, as incompat features will increase in the future and for older kernel info such feature as corruption is not acceptable. But currently, there are only 2 members we need to check at mount time (csum_type and incompat features), and only one caller, current code looks good enough for its purpose. Thanks, Qu Thanks, Anand -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: [PATCH 1/3] btrfs: Add incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid()
On 2018年04月21日 10:38, Anand Jain wrote: > > > On 04/20/2018 11:15 PM, David Sterba wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 10:32:03PM +0800, Anand Jain wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 04/19/2018 05:38 PM, Qu Wenruo wrote: Although we have already checked incompat flags manually before really mounting it, we could still enhance btrfs_check_super_valid() to check incompat flags for later write time super block validation check. This patch adds such incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid(), currently it won't be triggered, but provides the basis for later write time check. Signed-off-by: Qu Wenruo --- fs/btrfs/disk-io.c | 13 + 1 file changed, 13 insertions(+) diff --git a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c index 60caa68c3618..ec123158f051 100644 --- a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c +++ b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c @@ -4104,6 +4104,19 @@ static int btrfs_check_super_valid(struct btrfs_fs_info *fs_info) ret = -EINVAL; } + /* + * Before calling btrfs_check_super_valid() we have already checked + * incompat flags. So if we developr new incompat flags, it's must be + * some corruption. + */ + if (btrfs_super_incompat_flags(sb) & ~BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP) { + btrfs_err(fs_info, + "corrupted incompat flags detected 0x%llx, supported 0x%llx", >> >>> 2707 features = btrfs_super_incompat_flags(disk_super) & >>> 2708 ~BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP; >>> 2709 if (features) { >>> 2710 btrfs_err(fs_info, >>> 2711 "cannot mount because of unsupported >>> optional features (%llx)", >>> 2712 features); >>> 2713 err = -EINVAL; >>> 2714 goto fail_alloc; >>> 2715 } >> >> So there's a "user experience" change, now that you pointed out the >> other check. > > Its a regression. > >> If a filesystem with incompat bits set will be mounted, >> this will say 'you have corrupted filesystem', which is not IMO what we >> want to tell. >> >> Tough the extended btrfs_check_super_valid could catch the corrupted >> incompat bits, what we need at mount time is wording from the 2nd >> message ("cannot mount unsuppported features"). >> >> I think that there should be a separate function that does the >> pre-commit checks, calls btrfs_check_super_valid and also validates the >> incompat bit. > > We can still print it as 'unsupported optional features', which would > imply corruption in the non-mount context. In that case such wording is not obvious enough to info it's super block corruption. So I still prefer current way of checking incompact flags and csum types manually at mount time before btrfs_validate_super(). David's idea of a separate function to do mount time check and gives better prompt is pretty good. Especially for incompat features, as incompat features will increase in the future and for older kernel info such feature as corruption is not acceptable. But currently, there are only 2 members we need to check at mount time (csum_type and incompat features), and only one caller, current code looks good enough for its purpose. Thanks, Qu > > Thanks, Anand > >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in >> the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org >> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html >> > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in > the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [PATCH 1/3] btrfs: Add incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid()
On 04/20/2018 11:15 PM, David Sterba wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 10:32:03PM +0800, Anand Jain wrote: On 04/19/2018 05:38 PM, Qu Wenruo wrote: Although we have already checked incompat flags manually before really mounting it, we could still enhance btrfs_check_super_valid() to check incompat flags for later write time super block validation check. This patch adds such incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid(), currently it won't be triggered, but provides the basis for later write time check. Signed-off-by: Qu Wenruo --- fs/btrfs/disk-io.c | 13 + 1 file changed, 13 insertions(+) diff --git a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c index 60caa68c3618..ec123158f051 100644 --- a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c +++ b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c @@ -4104,6 +4104,19 @@ static int btrfs_check_super_valid(struct btrfs_fs_info *fs_info) ret = -EINVAL; } + /* +* Before calling btrfs_check_super_valid() we have already checked +* incompat flags. So if we developr new incompat flags, it's must be +* some corruption. +*/ + if (btrfs_super_incompat_flags(sb) & ~BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP) { + btrfs_err(fs_info, + "corrupted incompat flags detected 0x%llx, supported 0x%llx", 2707 features = btrfs_super_incompat_flags(disk_super) & 2708 ~BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP; 2709 if (features) { 2710 btrfs_err(fs_info, 2711 "cannot mount because of unsupported optional features (%llx)", 2712 features); 2713 err = -EINVAL; 2714 goto fail_alloc; 2715 } So there's a "user experience" change, now that you pointed out the other check. Its a regression. If a filesystem with incompat bits set will be mounted, this will say 'you have corrupted filesystem', which is not IMO what we want to tell. Tough the extended btrfs_check_super_valid could catch the corrupted incompat bits, what we need at mount time is wording from the 2nd message ("cannot mount unsuppported features"). I think that there should be a separate function that does the pre-commit checks, calls btrfs_check_super_valid and also validates the incompat bit. We can still print it as 'unsupported optional features', which would imply corruption in the non-mount context. Thanks, Anand -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: [PATCH 1/3] btrfs: Add incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid()
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 10:32:03PM +0800, Anand Jain wrote: > > > On 04/19/2018 05:38 PM, Qu Wenruo wrote: > > Although we have already checked incompat flags manually before really > > mounting it, we could still enhance btrfs_check_super_valid() to check > > incompat flags for later write time super block validation check. > > > > This patch adds such incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid(), > > currently it won't be triggered, but provides the basis for later write > > time check. > > > > Signed-off-by: Qu Wenruo > > --- > > fs/btrfs/disk-io.c | 13 + > > 1 file changed, 13 insertions(+) > > > > diff --git a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c > > index 60caa68c3618..ec123158f051 100644 > > --- a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c > > +++ b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c > > @@ -4104,6 +4104,19 @@ static int btrfs_check_super_valid(struct > > btrfs_fs_info *fs_info) > > ret = -EINVAL; > > } > > > > + /* > > +* Before calling btrfs_check_super_valid() we have already checked > > +* incompat flags. So if we developr new incompat flags, it's must be > > +* some corruption. > > +*/ > > + if (btrfs_super_incompat_flags(sb) & ~BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP) { > > + btrfs_err(fs_info, > > + "corrupted incompat flags detected 0x%llx, supported 0x%llx", > 2707 features = btrfs_super_incompat_flags(disk_super) & > 2708 ~BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP; > 2709 if (features) { > 2710 btrfs_err(fs_info, > 2711 "cannot mount because of unsupported optional > features (%llx)", > 2712 features); > 2713 err = -EINVAL; > 2714 goto fail_alloc; > 2715 } So there's a "user experience" change, now that you pointed out the other check. If a filesystem with incompat bits set will be mounted, this will say 'you have corrupted filesystem', which is not IMO what we want to tell. Tough the extended btrfs_check_super_valid could catch the corrupted incompat bits, what we need at mount time is wording from the 2nd message ("cannot mount unsuppported features"). I think that there should be a separate function that does the pre-commit checks, calls btrfs_check_super_valid and also validates the incompat bit. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: [PATCH 1/3] btrfs: Add incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid()
On 04/19/2018 05:38 PM, Qu Wenruo wrote: Although we have already checked incompat flags manually before really mounting it, we could still enhance btrfs_check_super_valid() to check incompat flags for later write time super block validation check. This patch adds such incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid(), currently it won't be triggered, but provides the basis for later write time check. Signed-off-by: Qu Wenruo --- fs/btrfs/disk-io.c | 13 + 1 file changed, 13 insertions(+) diff --git a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c index 60caa68c3618..ec123158f051 100644 --- a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c +++ b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c @@ -4104,6 +4104,19 @@ static int btrfs_check_super_valid(struct btrfs_fs_info *fs_info) ret = -EINVAL; } + /* +* Before calling btrfs_check_super_valid() we have already checked +* incompat flags. So if we developr new incompat flags, it's must be +* some corruption. +*/ + if (btrfs_super_incompat_flags(sb) & ~BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP) { + btrfs_err(fs_info, + "corrupted incompat flags detected 0x%llx, supported 0x%llx", + btrfs_super_incompat_flags(sb), + BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP); + ret = -EINVAL; + } + /* * The generation is a global counter, we'll trust it more than the others * but it's still possible that it's the one that's wrong. This patch should move the existing check in the open_ctree() line 2707 into the btrfs_check_super_valid(), we don't need duplicate checks. disk-io.c 2707 features = btrfs_super_incompat_flags(disk_super) & 2708 ~BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP; 2709 if (features) { 2710 btrfs_err(fs_info, 2711 "cannot mount because of unsupported optional features (%llx)", 2712 features); 2713 err = -EINVAL; 2714 goto fail_alloc; 2715 } Thanks, Anand -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: [PATCH 1/3] btrfs: Add incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid()
On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 07:24:48PM +0300, Nikolay Borisov wrote: > I agree with David, just make it btrfs_validate_super Ack. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: [PATCH 1/3] btrfs: Add incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid()
On 19.04.2018 18:31, David Sterba wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 07:10:30PM +0800, Qu Wenruo wrote: >> >> >> On 2018年04月19日 18:59, Nikolay Borisov wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 19.04.2018 12:38, Qu Wenruo wrote: Although we have already checked incompat flags manually before really mounting it, we could still enhance btrfs_check_super_valid() to check incompat flags for later write time super block validation check. This patch adds such incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid(), currently it won't be triggered, but provides the basis for later write time check. Signed-off-by: Qu Wenruo >>> >>> Reviewed-by: Nikolay Borisov >>> --- fs/btrfs/disk-io.c | 13 + 1 file changed, 13 insertions(+) diff --git a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c index 60caa68c3618..ec123158f051 100644 --- a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c +++ b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c @@ -4104,6 +4104,19 @@ static int btrfs_check_super_valid(struct btrfs_fs_info *fs_info) >>> >>> nit: Thinking out loud here - wouldn't it make more sense to name the >>> function btrfs_validate_super. check_super_valid sounds a bit cumbersome >>> to me. What do you think ? >> >> Indeed, I also like to remove the btrfs_ prefix since it's a static >> function. >> validate_super() looks much better. > > It's not necessary to remove the btrfs_ prefix from all static > functions, sometimes the functions appear on stacks or mixed with other > subystem helpers that have generic names. The prefix makes it clear that > it's our function. I agree with David, just make it btrfs_validate_super > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: [PATCH 1/3] btrfs: Add incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid()
On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 07:10:30PM +0800, Qu Wenruo wrote: > > > On 2018年04月19日 18:59, Nikolay Borisov wrote: > > > > > > On 19.04.2018 12:38, Qu Wenruo wrote: > >> Although we have already checked incompat flags manually before really > >> mounting it, we could still enhance btrfs_check_super_valid() to check > >> incompat flags for later write time super block validation check. > >> > >> This patch adds such incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid(), > >> currently it won't be triggered, but provides the basis for later write > >> time check. > >> > >> Signed-off-by: Qu Wenruo > > > > Reviewed-by: Nikolay Borisov > > > >> --- > >> fs/btrfs/disk-io.c | 13 + > >> 1 file changed, 13 insertions(+) > >> > >> diff --git a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c > >> index 60caa68c3618..ec123158f051 100644 > >> --- a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c > >> +++ b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c > >> @@ -4104,6 +4104,19 @@ static int btrfs_check_super_valid(struct > >> btrfs_fs_info *fs_info) > > > > nit: Thinking out loud here - wouldn't it make more sense to name the > > function btrfs_validate_super. check_super_valid sounds a bit cumbersome > > to me. What do you think ? > > Indeed, I also like to remove the btrfs_ prefix since it's a static > function. > validate_super() looks much better. It's not necessary to remove the btrfs_ prefix from all static functions, sometimes the functions appear on stacks or mixed with other subystem helpers that have generic names. The prefix makes it clear that it's our function. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: [PATCH 1/3] btrfs: Add incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid()
On 2018年04月19日 18:59, Nikolay Borisov wrote: > > > On 19.04.2018 12:38, Qu Wenruo wrote: >> Although we have already checked incompat flags manually before really >> mounting it, we could still enhance btrfs_check_super_valid() to check >> incompat flags for later write time super block validation check. >> >> This patch adds such incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid(), >> currently it won't be triggered, but provides the basis for later write >> time check. >> >> Signed-off-by: Qu Wenruo > > Reviewed-by: Nikolay Borisov > >> --- >> fs/btrfs/disk-io.c | 13 + >> 1 file changed, 13 insertions(+) >> >> diff --git a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c >> index 60caa68c3618..ec123158f051 100644 >> --- a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c >> +++ b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c >> @@ -4104,6 +4104,19 @@ static int btrfs_check_super_valid(struct >> btrfs_fs_info *fs_info) > > nit: Thinking out loud here - wouldn't it make more sense to name the > function btrfs_validate_super. check_super_valid sounds a bit cumbersome > to me. What do you think ? Indeed, I also like to remove the btrfs_ prefix since it's a static function. validate_super() looks much better. Thanks, Qu >> ret = -EINVAL; >> } >> >> +/* >> + * Before calling btrfs_check_super_valid() we have already checked >> + * incompat flags. So if we developr new incompat flags, it's must be > s/developr/detect ? >> + * some corruption. >> + */ >> +if (btrfs_super_incompat_flags(sb) & ~BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP) { >> +btrfs_err(fs_info, >> +"corrupted incompat flags detected 0x%llx, supported 0x%llx", >> + btrfs_super_incompat_flags(sb), >> + BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP); >> +ret = -EINVAL; >> +} >> + >> /* >> * The generation is a global counter, we'll trust it more than the >> others >> * but it's still possible that it's the one that's wrong. >> > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in > the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: [PATCH 1/3] btrfs: Add incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid()
On 19.04.2018 12:38, Qu Wenruo wrote: > Although we have already checked incompat flags manually before really > mounting it, we could still enhance btrfs_check_super_valid() to check > incompat flags for later write time super block validation check. > > This patch adds such incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid(), > currently it won't be triggered, but provides the basis for later write > time check. > > Signed-off-by: Qu Wenruo Reviewed-by: Nikolay Borisov > --- > fs/btrfs/disk-io.c | 13 + > 1 file changed, 13 insertions(+) > > diff --git a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c > index 60caa68c3618..ec123158f051 100644 > --- a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c > +++ b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c > @@ -4104,6 +4104,19 @@ static int btrfs_check_super_valid(struct > btrfs_fs_info *fs_info) nit: Thinking out loud here - wouldn't it make more sense to name the function btrfs_validate_super. check_super_valid sounds a bit cumbersome to me. What do you think ? > ret = -EINVAL; > } > > + /* > + * Before calling btrfs_check_super_valid() we have already checked > + * incompat flags. So if we developr new incompat flags, it's must be s/developr/detect ? > + * some corruption. > + */ > + if (btrfs_super_incompat_flags(sb) & ~BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP) { > + btrfs_err(fs_info, > + "corrupted incompat flags detected 0x%llx, supported 0x%llx", > + btrfs_super_incompat_flags(sb), > + BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP); > + ret = -EINVAL; > + } > + > /* >* The generation is a global counter, we'll trust it more than the > others >* but it's still possible that it's the one that's wrong. > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
[PATCH 1/3] btrfs: Add incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid()
Although we have already checked incompat flags manually before really mounting it, we could still enhance btrfs_check_super_valid() to check incompat flags for later write time super block validation check. This patch adds such incompat flags check for btrfs_check_super_valid(), currently it won't be triggered, but provides the basis for later write time check. Signed-off-by: Qu Wenruo --- fs/btrfs/disk-io.c | 13 + 1 file changed, 13 insertions(+) diff --git a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c index 60caa68c3618..ec123158f051 100644 --- a/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c +++ b/fs/btrfs/disk-io.c @@ -4104,6 +4104,19 @@ static int btrfs_check_super_valid(struct btrfs_fs_info *fs_info) ret = -EINVAL; } + /* +* Before calling btrfs_check_super_valid() we have already checked +* incompat flags. So if we developr new incompat flags, it's must be +* some corruption. +*/ + if (btrfs_super_incompat_flags(sb) & ~BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP) { + btrfs_err(fs_info, + "corrupted incompat flags detected 0x%llx, supported 0x%llx", + btrfs_super_incompat_flags(sb), + BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SUPP); + ret = -EINVAL; + } + /* * The generation is a global counter, we'll trust it more than the others * but it's still possible that it's the one that's wrong. -- 2.17.0 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html