Re: some project ideas: NFS4 ACLs, resilience on the same device, allowing to specify which devices are distinct in a RAID

2014-06-13 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Sat, 2014-06-07 at 10:25 +0200, Goffredo Baroncelli wrote: 
 You can add new ideas to the wiki pages, supporting by link and other info 
 were available. This is the real nature of the wiki pages.
I've added some stuff now:
https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php?title=Project_ideasaction=historysubmitdiff=27001oldid=26611

@upstream-devs: Just drop the ideas wich don't fit :)


Cheers,
Chris.


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Re: some project ideas: NFS4 ACLs, resilience on the same device, allowing to specify which devices are distinct in a RAID

2014-06-06 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Tue, 2014-06-03 at 19:03 +0200, Goffredo Baroncelli wrote: 
 There is (was ?) a project to address that: richacl 
 http://www.bestbits.at/richacl/.
 This is not a btrfs project, but a linux kernel project because from a 
 filesystem  POV the implementation requires to store some information in a 
 extended attributes: the check is performed at the VFS level.

  Now one could create a RAID5 on them, but apparently sda1 and sda2 are
  on the same disk... so I'd like a way to tell btrfs that these are the
  same and not really that redundant.
 
 Hugo Mill worked on something related to that [1]
 
 [1] Thoughts on RAID nomenclature 
 http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-btrfs/msg33782.html


Thanks for the info... should I put those 3 ideas to the
https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Project_ideas page? Or is that
just meant to be edited by the developers?


Cheers,
Chris.


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Re: some project ideas: NFS4 ACLs, resilience on the same device, allowing to specify which devices are distinct in a RAID

2014-06-03 Thread Goffredo Baroncelli
On 06/02/2014 07:44 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
 Hi.
 
 Christian Kujau suggested in the wiki[] to post project ideas to the
 list to give them some possible wider discussion.
 
 So far I've had these ideas:
 
 1) NFS 4 ACLs[1]
 Not sure whether it has been proposed and/or rejected before),... but it
 would be nice if it was a goal for btrfs to support NFS4 ACLs.
 
 These are much more powerful than POSIX.1e ACLs... and I think it would
 be nice if all the major Linux filesystems would support them in
 addition or as an alternative to the POSIX.1e ACLs. Of course one would
 have to think about a schema what happens when there are ACLs of both
 types in place for a file, whether this is allowed at all or not and how
 rules would be merged.

There is (was ?) a project to address that: richacl 
http://www.bestbits.at/richacl/.
This is not a btrfs project, but a linux kernel project because from a 
filesystem  POV the implementation requires to store some information in a 
extended attributes: the check is performed at the VFS level.

[...]
 
 
 3) allow to tell btrfs which devices are really distinct in a RAID
 For some reasons people may have setups e.g. like this:
 /dev/sda1
 /dev/sda2
 /dev/sdb1
 /dev/sdc1
 Now one could create a RAID5 on them, but apparently sda1 and sda2 are
 on the same disk... so I'd like a way to tell btrfs that these are the
 same and not really that redundant.

Hugo Mill worked on something related to that [1]

[1] Thoughts on RAID nomenclature 
http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-btrfs/msg33782.html

 
 
 Cheers,
 Chris.
 
 [0] 
 https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AProject_ideasaction=historysubmitdiff=26841oldid=26831
 [1] https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Talk:Project_ideas#NFS4_ACLS
 


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some project ideas: NFS4 ACLs, resilience on the same device, allowing to specify which devices are distinct in a RAID

2014-06-02 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hi.

Christian Kujau suggested in the wiki[] to post project ideas to the
list to give them some possible wider discussion.

So far I've had these ideas:

1) NFS 4 ACLs[1]
Not sure whether it has been proposed and/or rejected before),... but it
would be nice if it was a goal for btrfs to support NFS4 ACLs.

These are much more powerful than POSIX.1e ACLs... and I think it would
be nice if all the major Linux filesystems would support them in
addition or as an alternative to the POSIX.1e ACLs. Of course one would
have to think about a schema what happens when there are ACLs of both
types in place for a file, whether this is allowed at all or not and how
rules would be merged.


2) DUP of data
I think btrfs already supports to have the same blocks copied on
multiple locations on the same device for resilience,... but only for
meta-data...
I think ZFS supports that for data as well...
Advanced code could try to spread such replicas as far as possible (i.e.
different spindles on rotating drives, ... different chips on flash
based storage)


3) allow to tell btrfs which devices are really distinct in a RAID
For some reasons people may have setups e.g. like this:
/dev/sda1
/dev/sda2
/dev/sdb1
/dev/sdc1
Now one could create a RAID5 on them, but apparently sda1 and sda2 are
on the same disk... so I'd like a way to tell btrfs that these are the
same and not really that redundant.


Cheers,
Chris.

[0] 
https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AProject_ideasaction=historysubmitdiff=26841oldid=26831
[1] https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Talk:Project_ideas#NFS4_ACLS


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