Re: btrfs: warn_slowpath in clean_tree_block and others

2009-02-25 Thread Hugo Mills
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 02:26:43PM -0500, Chris Mason wrote:
> [ resend with the list cc'd ]
> 
> On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 12:50 -0600, Mitch Harder (aka DontPanic) wrote:
> > I'll try to test that out.
> > 
> > I had just noticed that some of my kernel configuration settings (not
> > sure which ones) seem to affect the clean_tree_block warnings I've
> > been getting, and one of my customizations is usually to configure the
> > kernel for a single processor.
> > 
> 
> I'll push out a patch tonight that fixes things, the code to test for a
> locked buffer is just broken on UP.  For now, the patch below will do:

   Yup, that shuts it up quite effectively. :)

   Thanks,
   Hugo.

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Re: btrfs: warn_slowpath in clean_tree_block and others

2009-02-25 Thread Chris Mason
[ resend with the list cc'd ]

On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 12:50 -0600, Mitch Harder (aka DontPanic) wrote:
> I'll try to test that out.
> 
> I had just noticed that some of my kernel configuration settings (not
> sure which ones) seem to affect the clean_tree_block warnings I've
> been getting, and one of my customizations is usually to configure the
> kernel for a single processor.
> 

I'll push out a patch tonight that fixes things, the code to test for a
locked buffer is just broken on UP.  For now, the patch below will do:

diff --git a/fs/btrfs/locking.c b/fs/btrfs/locking.c
index 85506c4..4513ecf 100644
--- a/fs/btrfs/locking.c
+++ b/fs/btrfs/locking.c
@@ -222,6 +222,5 @@ int btrfs_tree_unlock(struct extent_buffer *eb)
 
 int btrfs_tree_locked(struct extent_buffer *eb)
 {
-   return test_bit(EXTENT_BUFFER_BLOCKING, &eb->bflags) ||
-   spin_is_locked(&eb->lock);
+   return 1;
 }


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Re: btrfs: warn_slowpath in clean_tree_block and others

2009-02-25 Thread Hugo Mills
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 01:36:26PM -0500, Chris Mason wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 23:02 +, Hugo Mills wrote:
> > This is essentially a repost of a mail I made last week, to which I
> > didn't get a reply.
> 
> Sorry I missed replying to this one last week, thanks for resending.

   Not a problem. I know things go astray sometimes.

> >I'm getting huge numbers of kernel warnings whilst using
> > btrfs. They're all "warn_slowpath", and all seem to be in
> > fs/btrfs/disk-io.c. I've included one typical example at the end of
> > this mail.
> > 
> >Kernel versions are 2.6.29-rc2, -rc4 and -rc6.
> > 
> 
> The warnings look like i386, exactly what hardware is this?  Is your
> kernel compiled for SMP or UP?

   amd64 and a UP kernel:

h...@vlad:linux-2.6 $ uname -a
Linux vlad 2.6.29-rc6 #1 Mon Feb 23 19:53:22 GMT 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux

   Hardware is an original-series Turion 64 (i.e. one core) in a
Socket 745 desktop motherboard. The btrfs filesystem is in
LVM-on-RAID1 in an eSATA port-multiplier storage rack.

> The warning you're getting is that clean_tree_block expects this block
> to be locked, and giving out a warning because it is showing up as
> unlocked.
> 
> So, hopefully you're on a UP kernel and my test for a locked spinlock is
> broken in that config.

   OK. I can try patches if necessary.

   Hugo.

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Re: btrfs: warn_slowpath in clean_tree_block and others

2009-02-25 Thread Chris Mason
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 23:02 +, Hugo Mills wrote:
> This is essentially a repost of a mail I made last week, to which I
> didn't get a reply.
> 

Sorry I missed replying to this one last week, thanks for resending.

>I'm getting huge numbers of kernel warnings whilst using
> btrfs. They're all "warn_slowpath", and all seem to be in
> fs/btrfs/disk-io.c. I've included one typical example at the end of
> this mail.
> 
>Kernel versions are 2.6.29-rc2, -rc4 and -rc6.
> 

The warnings look like i386, exactly what hardware is this?  Is your
kernel compiled for SMP or UP?

The warning you're getting is that clean_tree_block expects this block
to be locked, and giving out a warning because it is showing up as
unlocked.

So, hopefully you're on a UP kernel and my test for a locked spinlock is
broken in that config.

-chris


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Re: btrfs: warn_slowpath in clean_tree_block and others

2009-02-25 Thread Mitch Harder (aka DontPanic)
The messages attached are only "WARNING" messages.

I have not been encountering a crash, nor does the data seem to get
corrupted in my case (as far as I can tell).

Btrfs seems to actually work fine, except for the large amount of log messages.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Hugo Mills  wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:05:58AM -0500, Lee Trager wrote:
>> But what are you doing to the filesystem when it crashes? How did you
>> mount it?
>
>   In my case, it's mounted with this fstab entry:
>
> /dev/media/scratch      /media/vlad/video/video btrfs   noatime,nosuid,nodev  
>        0 0
>
> and I can trigger hundreds (literally) of these backtraces with a
> single "touch /media/vlad/video/video/foo". If I encode a video to the
> FS, the backtraces come in bursts at intervals of, say, 20 seconds
> (it's not perfectly regular).
>
>   Hugo.
>
>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 08:03:01AM -0600, Mitch Harder (aka DontPanic) wrote:
>> > I've been creating a local git repository of full btrfs-unstable sources.
>> >
>> > I'll create a new branch off the master branch, and apply the patch
>> > supplied in the Feb. 11 message to the M/L.
>> >
>> > I then create a kernel module based on the results in /fs/btrfs/
>> >
>> > I have also tried replicating the experimental branch, and merging the
>> > patch into that branch, but I get the same results.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Lee Trager  wrote:
>> > > Mitch, I haven't seen any problems using BTRFS and my patch on 2.6.28 or
>> > > 2.6.27, what are you doing to cause this error? Are you using the latest
>> > > sources from btrfs-unstable?
>> > >
>> > > Lee
>> > >
>> > > Mitch Harder (aka DontPanic) wrote:
>> > >> I have also been getting similar warnings filling up my logs.
>> > >>
>> > >> However, in my case, I have been experimenting with back-porting btrfs
>> > >> to a 2.6.28 kernel. ?So I've been waiting for the back-porting efforts
>> > >> to get a little further along.
>> > >>
>> > >> But I thought I'd respond in case this information helps.
>> > >>
>> > >> Here's an example of the warnings I've been seeing:
>> > >>
>> > >> [80577.151167] [ cut here ]
>> > >> [80577.151169] WARNING: at
>> > >> /var/tmp/portage/sys-fs/btrfs-9998/work/btrfs-9998/disk-io.c:860
>> > >> clean_tree_block+0xa4/0xb0 [btrfs]()
>> > >> [80577.151172] Modules linked in: btrfs snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss
>> > >> snd_seq_dummy snd_seq_oss snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq snd_seq_device
>> > >> ipv6 ppdev snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec parport_pc nvidia(P) ac97_bus
>> > >> snd_pcm snd_timer ohci_hcd ssb shpchp pci_hotplug pcmcia i2c_nforce2
>> > >> snd forcedeth sr_mod pcspkr parport i2c_core snd_page_alloc nvidia_agp
>> > >> sl811_hcd pcmcia_core uhci_hcd ehci_hcd
>> > >> [80577.151190] Pid: 11503, comm: cp Tainted: P ? ? ? ?W 
>> > >> ?2.6.28-sabayon-r10 #1
>> > >> [80577.151192] Call Trace:
>> > >> [80577.151195] ?[] warn_on_slowpath+0x5f/0x90
>> > >> [80577.151203] ?[] rb_insert_color+0x77/0xe0
>> > >> [80577.151221] ?[] alloc_extent_buffer+0x1fe/0x300 [btrfs]
>> > >> [80577.151238] ?[] clean_tree_block+0xa4/0xb0 [btrfs]
>> > >> [80577.151253] ?[] btrfs_init_new_buffer+0x7d/0x130 [btrfs]
>> > >> [80577.151269] ?[] btrfs_alloc_free_block+0x104/0x110 [btrfs]
>> > >> [80577.151285] ?[] __btrfs_cow_block+0x22a/0x8b0 [btrfs]
>> > >> [80577.151300] ?[] generic_bin_search+0x162/0x1c0 [btrfs]
>> > >> [80577.151315] ?[] btrfs_cow_block+0x156/0x200 [btrfs]
>> > >> [80577.151330] ?[] btrfs_search_slot+0x1a7/0x910 [btrfs]
>> > >> [80577.151333] ?[] irq_exit+0x27/0x60
>> > >> [80577.151336] ?[] do_IRQ+0x6b/0x80
>> > >> [80577.151354] ?[] read_extent_buffer+0xd5/0x170 [btrfs]
>> > >> [80577.151369] ?[] btrfs_insert_empty_items+0x6d/0x410 [btrfs]
>> > >> [80577.151385] ?[] btrfs_find_block_group+0xff/0x1a0 [btrfs]
>> > >> [80577.151402] ?[] btrfs_new_inode+0x18d/0x360 [btrfs]
>> > >> [80577.151420] ?[] btrfs_create+0x189/0x2a0 [btrfs]
>> > >> [80577.151423] ?[] security_capable+0x9/0x10
>> > >> [80577.151427] ?[] vfs_create+0xcd/0x160
>> > >> [80577.151430] ?[] do_filp_open+0x5af/0x7d0
>> > >> [80577.151433] ?[] cp_new_stat64+0xf9/0x110
>> > >> [80577.151436] ?[] do_sys_open+0x4e/0xe0
>> > >> [80577.151439] ?[] sys_open+0x2c/0x40
>> > >> [80577.151442] ?[] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x21
>> > >> [80577.151444] ---[ end trace 79cdc48bc88dedf7 ]---
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Hugo Mills  
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> ? This is essentially a repost of a mail I made last week, to which I
>> > >>> didn't get a reply.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> ? I'm getting huge numbers of kernel warnings whilst using
>> > >>> btrfs. They're all "warn_slowpath", and all seem to be in
>> > >>> fs/btrfs/disk-io.c. I've included one typical example at the end of
>> > >>> this mail.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> ? Kernel versions are 2.6.29-rc2, -rc4 and -rc6.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> ? If I do lots of writes to my btrfs filesystem (e.g. video
>> > >>> encoding), I end up with a syslog in the tens-of-megab

Re: btrfs: warn_slowpath in clean_tree_block and others

2009-02-25 Thread Hugo Mills
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:05:58AM -0500, Lee Trager wrote:
> But what are you doing to the filesystem when it crashes? How did you
> mount it?

   In my case, it's mounted with this fstab entry:

/dev/media/scratch  /media/vlad/video/video btrfs   noatime,nosuid,nodev
 0 0

and I can trigger hundreds (literally) of these backtraces with a
single "touch /media/vlad/video/video/foo". If I encode a video to the
FS, the backtraces come in bursts at intervals of, say, 20 seconds
(it's not perfectly regular).

   Hugo.

> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 08:03:01AM -0600, Mitch Harder (aka DontPanic) wrote:
> > I've been creating a local git repository of full btrfs-unstable sources.
> > 
> > I'll create a new branch off the master branch, and apply the patch
> > supplied in the Feb. 11 message to the M/L.
> > 
> > I then create a kernel module based on the results in /fs/btrfs/
> > 
> > I have also tried replicating the experimental branch, and merging the
> > patch into that branch, but I get the same results.
> > 
> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Lee Trager  wrote:
> > > Mitch, I haven't seen any problems using BTRFS and my patch on 2.6.28 or
> > > 2.6.27, what are you doing to cause this error? Are you using the latest
> > > sources from btrfs-unstable?
> > >
> > > Lee
> > >
> > > Mitch Harder (aka DontPanic) wrote:
> > >> I have also been getting similar warnings filling up my logs.
> > >>
> > >> However, in my case, I have been experimenting with back-porting btrfs
> > >> to a 2.6.28 kernel. ?So I've been waiting for the back-porting efforts
> > >> to get a little further along.
> > >>
> > >> But I thought I'd respond in case this information helps.
> > >>
> > >> Here's an example of the warnings I've been seeing:
> > >>
> > >> [80577.151167] [ cut here ]
> > >> [80577.151169] WARNING: at
> > >> /var/tmp/portage/sys-fs/btrfs-9998/work/btrfs-9998/disk-io.c:860
> > >> clean_tree_block+0xa4/0xb0 [btrfs]()
> > >> [80577.151172] Modules linked in: btrfs snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss
> > >> snd_seq_dummy snd_seq_oss snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq snd_seq_device
> > >> ipv6 ppdev snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec parport_pc nvidia(P) ac97_bus
> > >> snd_pcm snd_timer ohci_hcd ssb shpchp pci_hotplug pcmcia i2c_nforce2
> > >> snd forcedeth sr_mod pcspkr parport i2c_core snd_page_alloc nvidia_agp
> > >> sl811_hcd pcmcia_core uhci_hcd ehci_hcd
> > >> [80577.151190] Pid: 11503, comm: cp Tainted: P ? ? ? ?W 
> > >> ?2.6.28-sabayon-r10 #1
> > >> [80577.151192] Call Trace:
> > >> [80577.151195] ?[] warn_on_slowpath+0x5f/0x90
> > >> [80577.151203] ?[] rb_insert_color+0x77/0xe0
> > >> [80577.151221] ?[] alloc_extent_buffer+0x1fe/0x300 [btrfs]
> > >> [80577.151238] ?[] clean_tree_block+0xa4/0xb0 [btrfs]
> > >> [80577.151253] ?[] btrfs_init_new_buffer+0x7d/0x130 [btrfs]
> > >> [80577.151269] ?[] btrfs_alloc_free_block+0x104/0x110 [btrfs]
> > >> [80577.151285] ?[] __btrfs_cow_block+0x22a/0x8b0 [btrfs]
> > >> [80577.151300] ?[] generic_bin_search+0x162/0x1c0 [btrfs]
> > >> [80577.151315] ?[] btrfs_cow_block+0x156/0x200 [btrfs]
> > >> [80577.151330] ?[] btrfs_search_slot+0x1a7/0x910 [btrfs]
> > >> [80577.151333] ?[] irq_exit+0x27/0x60
> > >> [80577.151336] ?[] do_IRQ+0x6b/0x80
> > >> [80577.151354] ?[] read_extent_buffer+0xd5/0x170 [btrfs]
> > >> [80577.151369] ?[] btrfs_insert_empty_items+0x6d/0x410 [btrfs]
> > >> [80577.151385] ?[] btrfs_find_block_group+0xff/0x1a0 [btrfs]
> > >> [80577.151402] ?[] btrfs_new_inode+0x18d/0x360 [btrfs]
> > >> [80577.151420] ?[] btrfs_create+0x189/0x2a0 [btrfs]
> > >> [80577.151423] ?[] security_capable+0x9/0x10
> > >> [80577.151427] ?[] vfs_create+0xcd/0x160
> > >> [80577.151430] ?[] do_filp_open+0x5af/0x7d0
> > >> [80577.151433] ?[] cp_new_stat64+0xf9/0x110
> > >> [80577.151436] ?[] do_sys_open+0x4e/0xe0
> > >> [80577.151439] ?[] sys_open+0x2c/0x40
> > >> [80577.151442] ?[] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x21
> > >> [80577.151444] ---[ end trace 79cdc48bc88dedf7 ]---
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Hugo Mills  
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> ? This is essentially a repost of a mail I made last week, to which I
> > >>> didn't get a reply.
> > >>>
> > >>> ? I'm getting huge numbers of kernel warnings whilst using
> > >>> btrfs. They're all "warn_slowpath", and all seem to be in
> > >>> fs/btrfs/disk-io.c. I've included one typical example at the end of
> > >>> this mail.
> > >>>
> > >>> ? Kernel versions are 2.6.29-rc2, -rc4 and -rc6.
> > >>>
> > >>> ? If I do lots of writes to my btrfs filesystem (e.g. video
> > >>> encoding), I end up with a syslog in the tens-of-megabytes range. This
> > >>> makes logcheck an unhappy bunny...
> > >>>
> > >>> ? I don't know if this behaviour is expected, and everyone using
> > >>> btrfs simply puts up with it for now, or if it's something unusual
> > >>> that needs investigating. On the chance that it's the latter, I'm
> > >>> reporting it here.
> > >>>
> > >>> ? Hugo.
> > >>>
> > >>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [ cut

Re: btrfs: warn_slowpath in clean_tree_block and others

2009-02-25 Thread Lee Trager
But what are you doing to the filesystem when it crashes? How did you
mount it?

Lee

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 08:03:01AM -0600, Mitch Harder (aka DontPanic) wrote:
> I've been creating a local git repository of full btrfs-unstable sources.
> 
> I'll create a new branch off the master branch, and apply the patch
> supplied in the Feb. 11 message to the M/L.
> 
> I then create a kernel module based on the results in /fs/btrfs/
> 
> I have also tried replicating the experimental branch, and merging the
> patch into that branch, but I get the same results.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Lee Trager  wrote:
> > Mitch, I haven't seen any problems using BTRFS and my patch on 2.6.28 or
> > 2.6.27, what are you doing to cause this error? Are you using the latest
> > sources from btrfs-unstable?
> >
> > Lee
> >
> > Mitch Harder (aka DontPanic) wrote:
> >> I have also been getting similar warnings filling up my logs.
> >>
> >> However, in my case, I have been experimenting with back-porting btrfs
> >> to a 2.6.28 kernel. ?So I've been waiting for the back-porting efforts
> >> to get a little further along.
> >>
> >> But I thought I'd respond in case this information helps.
> >>
> >> Here's an example of the warnings I've been seeing:
> >>
> >> [80577.151167] [ cut here ]
> >> [80577.151169] WARNING: at
> >> /var/tmp/portage/sys-fs/btrfs-9998/work/btrfs-9998/disk-io.c:860
> >> clean_tree_block+0xa4/0xb0 [btrfs]()
> >> [80577.151172] Modules linked in: btrfs snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss
> >> snd_seq_dummy snd_seq_oss snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq snd_seq_device
> >> ipv6 ppdev snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec parport_pc nvidia(P) ac97_bus
> >> snd_pcm snd_timer ohci_hcd ssb shpchp pci_hotplug pcmcia i2c_nforce2
> >> snd forcedeth sr_mod pcspkr parport i2c_core snd_page_alloc nvidia_agp
> >> sl811_hcd pcmcia_core uhci_hcd ehci_hcd
> >> [80577.151190] Pid: 11503, comm: cp Tainted: P ? ? ? ?W 
> >> ?2.6.28-sabayon-r10 #1
> >> [80577.151192] Call Trace:
> >> [80577.151195] ?[] warn_on_slowpath+0x5f/0x90
> >> [80577.151203] ?[] rb_insert_color+0x77/0xe0
> >> [80577.151221] ?[] alloc_extent_buffer+0x1fe/0x300 [btrfs]
> >> [80577.151238] ?[] clean_tree_block+0xa4/0xb0 [btrfs]
> >> [80577.151253] ?[] btrfs_init_new_buffer+0x7d/0x130 [btrfs]
> >> [80577.151269] ?[] btrfs_alloc_free_block+0x104/0x110 [btrfs]
> >> [80577.151285] ?[] __btrfs_cow_block+0x22a/0x8b0 [btrfs]
> >> [80577.151300] ?[] generic_bin_search+0x162/0x1c0 [btrfs]
> >> [80577.151315] ?[] btrfs_cow_block+0x156/0x200 [btrfs]
> >> [80577.151330] ?[] btrfs_search_slot+0x1a7/0x910 [btrfs]
> >> [80577.151333] ?[] irq_exit+0x27/0x60
> >> [80577.151336] ?[] do_IRQ+0x6b/0x80
> >> [80577.151354] ?[] read_extent_buffer+0xd5/0x170 [btrfs]
> >> [80577.151369] ?[] btrfs_insert_empty_items+0x6d/0x410 [btrfs]
> >> [80577.151385] ?[] btrfs_find_block_group+0xff/0x1a0 [btrfs]
> >> [80577.151402] ?[] btrfs_new_inode+0x18d/0x360 [btrfs]
> >> [80577.151420] ?[] btrfs_create+0x189/0x2a0 [btrfs]
> >> [80577.151423] ?[] security_capable+0x9/0x10
> >> [80577.151427] ?[] vfs_create+0xcd/0x160
> >> [80577.151430] ?[] do_filp_open+0x5af/0x7d0
> >> [80577.151433] ?[] cp_new_stat64+0xf9/0x110
> >> [80577.151436] ?[] do_sys_open+0x4e/0xe0
> >> [80577.151439] ?[] sys_open+0x2c/0x40
> >> [80577.151442] ?[] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x21
> >> [80577.151444] ---[ end trace 79cdc48bc88dedf7 ]---
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Hugo Mills  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> ? This is essentially a repost of a mail I made last week, to which I
> >>> didn't get a reply.
> >>>
> >>> ? I'm getting huge numbers of kernel warnings whilst using
> >>> btrfs. They're all "warn_slowpath", and all seem to be in
> >>> fs/btrfs/disk-io.c. I've included one typical example at the end of
> >>> this mail.
> >>>
> >>> ? Kernel versions are 2.6.29-rc2, -rc4 and -rc6.
> >>>
> >>> ? If I do lots of writes to my btrfs filesystem (e.g. video
> >>> encoding), I end up with a syslog in the tens-of-megabytes range. This
> >>> makes logcheck an unhappy bunny...
> >>>
> >>> ? I don't know if this behaviour is expected, and everyone using
> >>> btrfs simply puts up with it for now, or if it's something unusual
> >>> that needs investigating. On the chance that it's the latter, I'm
> >>> reporting it here.
> >>>
> >>> ? Hugo.
> >>>
> >>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [ cut here ]
> >>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: WARNING: at fs/btrfs/disk-io.c:815 
> >>> clean_tree_block+0x9d/0xbb [btrfs]()
> >>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: Hardware name: System Product Name
> >>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: Modules linked in: tun ext3 jbd btrfs 
> >>> zlib_deflate tcp_diag inet_diag kqemu cpufreq_userspace ipv6 nfsd nfs 
> >>> lockd nfs_acl auth_rpcgss sunrpc af_packet bridge stp llc xfs exportfs 
> >>> it87 hwmon_vid powernow_k8 sbp2 ieee1394 ide_generic ide_gd_mod 
> >>> ide_cd_mod pcspkr evdev k8temp hwmon i2c_viapro i2c_core button dm_mirror 
> >>> dm_region_hash dm_log dm_snapshot dm_mod rai

Re: btrfs: warn_slowpath in clean_tree_block and others

2009-02-24 Thread Lee Trager
Mitch, I haven't seen any problems using BTRFS and my patch on 2.6.28 or
2.6.27, what are you doing to cause this error? Are you using the latest
sources from btrfs-unstable?

Lee

Mitch Harder (aka DontPanic) wrote:
> I have also been getting similar warnings filling up my logs.
>
> However, in my case, I have been experimenting with back-porting btrfs
> to a 2.6.28 kernel.  So I've been waiting for the back-porting efforts
> to get a little further along.
>
> But I thought I'd respond in case this information helps.
>
> Here's an example of the warnings I've been seeing:
>
> [80577.151167] [ cut here ]
> [80577.151169] WARNING: at
> /var/tmp/portage/sys-fs/btrfs-9998/work/btrfs-9998/disk-io.c:860
> clean_tree_block+0xa4/0xb0 [btrfs]()
> [80577.151172] Modules linked in: btrfs snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss
> snd_seq_dummy snd_seq_oss snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq snd_seq_device
> ipv6 ppdev snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec parport_pc nvidia(P) ac97_bus
> snd_pcm snd_timer ohci_hcd ssb shpchp pci_hotplug pcmcia i2c_nforce2
> snd forcedeth sr_mod pcspkr parport i2c_core snd_page_alloc nvidia_agp
> sl811_hcd pcmcia_core uhci_hcd ehci_hcd
> [80577.151190] Pid: 11503, comm: cp Tainted: PW  2.6.28-sabayon-r10 #1
> [80577.151192] Call Trace:
> [80577.151195]  [] warn_on_slowpath+0x5f/0x90
> [80577.151203]  [] rb_insert_color+0x77/0xe0
> [80577.151221]  [] alloc_extent_buffer+0x1fe/0x300 [btrfs]
> [80577.151238]  [] clean_tree_block+0xa4/0xb0 [btrfs]
> [80577.151253]  [] btrfs_init_new_buffer+0x7d/0x130 [btrfs]
> [80577.151269]  [] btrfs_alloc_free_block+0x104/0x110 [btrfs]
> [80577.151285]  [] __btrfs_cow_block+0x22a/0x8b0 [btrfs]
> [80577.151300]  [] generic_bin_search+0x162/0x1c0 [btrfs]
> [80577.151315]  [] btrfs_cow_block+0x156/0x200 [btrfs]
> [80577.151330]  [] btrfs_search_slot+0x1a7/0x910 [btrfs]
> [80577.151333]  [] irq_exit+0x27/0x60
> [80577.151336]  [] do_IRQ+0x6b/0x80
> [80577.151354]  [] read_extent_buffer+0xd5/0x170 [btrfs]
> [80577.151369]  [] btrfs_insert_empty_items+0x6d/0x410 [btrfs]
> [80577.151385]  [] btrfs_find_block_group+0xff/0x1a0 [btrfs]
> [80577.151402]  [] btrfs_new_inode+0x18d/0x360 [btrfs]
> [80577.151420]  [] btrfs_create+0x189/0x2a0 [btrfs]
> [80577.151423]  [] security_capable+0x9/0x10
> [80577.151427]  [] vfs_create+0xcd/0x160
> [80577.151430]  [] do_filp_open+0x5af/0x7d0
> [80577.151433]  [] cp_new_stat64+0xf9/0x110
> [80577.151436]  [] do_sys_open+0x4e/0xe0
> [80577.151439]  [] sys_open+0x2c/0x40
> [80577.151442]  [] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x21
> [80577.151444] ---[ end trace 79cdc48bc88dedf7 ]---
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Hugo Mills  wrote:
>   
>>   This is essentially a repost of a mail I made last week, to which I
>> didn't get a reply.
>>
>>   I'm getting huge numbers of kernel warnings whilst using
>> btrfs. They're all "warn_slowpath", and all seem to be in
>> fs/btrfs/disk-io.c. I've included one typical example at the end of
>> this mail.
>>
>>   Kernel versions are 2.6.29-rc2, -rc4 and -rc6.
>>
>>   If I do lots of writes to my btrfs filesystem (e.g. video
>> encoding), I end up with a syslog in the tens-of-megabytes range. This
>> makes logcheck an unhappy bunny...
>>
>>   I don't know if this behaviour is expected, and everyone using
>> btrfs simply puts up with it for now, or if it's something unusual
>> that needs investigating. On the chance that it's the latter, I'm
>> reporting it here.
>>
>>   Hugo.
>>
>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [ cut here ]
>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: WARNING: at fs/btrfs/disk-io.c:815 
>> clean_tree_block+0x9d/0xbb [btrfs]()
>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: Hardware name: System Product Name
>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: Modules linked in: tun ext3 jbd btrfs 
>> zlib_deflate tcp_diag inet_diag kqemu cpufreq_userspace ipv6 nfsd nfs lockd 
>> nfs_acl auth_rpcgss sunrpc af_packet bridge stp llc xfs exportfs it87 
>> hwmon_vid powernow_k8 sbp2 ieee1394 ide_generic ide_gd_mod ide_cd_mod pcspkr 
>> evdev k8temp hwmon i2c_viapro i2c_core button dm_mirror dm_region_hash 
>> dm_log dm_snapshot dm_mod raid1 md_mod usbhid usb_storage libusual sg sr_mod 
>> cdrom via82cxxx floppy via_rhine mii ehci_hcd uhci_hcd usbcore pata_via 
>> ide_pci_generic ide_core sd_mod thermal processor fan unix
>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: Pid: 27034, comm: hdparm Tainted: GW  
>> 2.6.29-rc4 #1
>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: Call Trace:
>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] warn_slowpath+0xd8/0x111
>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
>> radix_tree_insert+0xd7/0x19f
>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
>> add_to_page_cache_locked+0x52/0x9e
>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
>> add_to_page_cache_lru+0x40/0x58
>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
>> find_or_create_page+0x62/0x88
>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
>> alloc_extent_buffer+0x268/0x2ec [btrfs]
>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] clean_tree_block+0x9d/0xbb 
>> [btrfs]
>> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
>> btrfs_init_new_buffer+0x99/0xf3 [btrf

Re: btrfs: warn_slowpath in clean_tree_block and others

2009-02-24 Thread Mitch Harder (aka DontPanic)
I have also been getting similar warnings filling up my logs.

However, in my case, I have been experimenting with back-porting btrfs
to a 2.6.28 kernel.  So I've been waiting for the back-porting efforts
to get a little further along.

But I thought I'd respond in case this information helps.

Here's an example of the warnings I've been seeing:

[80577.151167] [ cut here ]
[80577.151169] WARNING: at
/var/tmp/portage/sys-fs/btrfs-9998/work/btrfs-9998/disk-io.c:860
clean_tree_block+0xa4/0xb0 [btrfs]()
[80577.151172] Modules linked in: btrfs snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss
snd_seq_dummy snd_seq_oss snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq snd_seq_device
ipv6 ppdev snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec parport_pc nvidia(P) ac97_bus
snd_pcm snd_timer ohci_hcd ssb shpchp pci_hotplug pcmcia i2c_nforce2
snd forcedeth sr_mod pcspkr parport i2c_core snd_page_alloc nvidia_agp
sl811_hcd pcmcia_core uhci_hcd ehci_hcd
[80577.151190] Pid: 11503, comm: cp Tainted: PW  2.6.28-sabayon-r10 #1
[80577.151192] Call Trace:
[80577.151195]  [] warn_on_slowpath+0x5f/0x90
[80577.151203]  [] rb_insert_color+0x77/0xe0
[80577.151221]  [] alloc_extent_buffer+0x1fe/0x300 [btrfs]
[80577.151238]  [] clean_tree_block+0xa4/0xb0 [btrfs]
[80577.151253]  [] btrfs_init_new_buffer+0x7d/0x130 [btrfs]
[80577.151269]  [] btrfs_alloc_free_block+0x104/0x110 [btrfs]
[80577.151285]  [] __btrfs_cow_block+0x22a/0x8b0 [btrfs]
[80577.151300]  [] generic_bin_search+0x162/0x1c0 [btrfs]
[80577.151315]  [] btrfs_cow_block+0x156/0x200 [btrfs]
[80577.151330]  [] btrfs_search_slot+0x1a7/0x910 [btrfs]
[80577.151333]  [] irq_exit+0x27/0x60
[80577.151336]  [] do_IRQ+0x6b/0x80
[80577.151354]  [] read_extent_buffer+0xd5/0x170 [btrfs]
[80577.151369]  [] btrfs_insert_empty_items+0x6d/0x410 [btrfs]
[80577.151385]  [] btrfs_find_block_group+0xff/0x1a0 [btrfs]
[80577.151402]  [] btrfs_new_inode+0x18d/0x360 [btrfs]
[80577.151420]  [] btrfs_create+0x189/0x2a0 [btrfs]
[80577.151423]  [] security_capable+0x9/0x10
[80577.151427]  [] vfs_create+0xcd/0x160
[80577.151430]  [] do_filp_open+0x5af/0x7d0
[80577.151433]  [] cp_new_stat64+0xf9/0x110
[80577.151436]  [] do_sys_open+0x4e/0xe0
[80577.151439]  [] sys_open+0x2c/0x40
[80577.151442]  [] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x21
[80577.151444] ---[ end trace 79cdc48bc88dedf7 ]---


On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Hugo Mills  wrote:
>   This is essentially a repost of a mail I made last week, to which I
> didn't get a reply.
>
>   I'm getting huge numbers of kernel warnings whilst using
> btrfs. They're all "warn_slowpath", and all seem to be in
> fs/btrfs/disk-io.c. I've included one typical example at the end of
> this mail.
>
>   Kernel versions are 2.6.29-rc2, -rc4 and -rc6.
>
>   If I do lots of writes to my btrfs filesystem (e.g. video
> encoding), I end up with a syslog in the tens-of-megabytes range. This
> makes logcheck an unhappy bunny...
>
>   I don't know if this behaviour is expected, and everyone using
> btrfs simply puts up with it for now, or if it's something unusual
> that needs investigating. On the chance that it's the latter, I'm
> reporting it here.
>
>   Hugo.
>
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [ cut here ]
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: WARNING: at fs/btrfs/disk-io.c:815 
> clean_tree_block+0x9d/0xbb [btrfs]()
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: Hardware name: System Product Name
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: Modules linked in: tun ext3 jbd btrfs 
> zlib_deflate tcp_diag inet_diag kqemu cpufreq_userspace ipv6 nfsd nfs lockd 
> nfs_acl auth_rpcgss sunrpc af_packet bridge stp llc xfs exportfs it87 
> hwmon_vid powernow_k8 sbp2 ieee1394 ide_generic ide_gd_mod ide_cd_mod pcspkr 
> evdev k8temp hwmon i2c_viapro i2c_core button dm_mirror dm_region_hash dm_log 
> dm_snapshot dm_mod raid1 md_mod usbhid usb_storage libusual sg sr_mod cdrom 
> via82cxxx floppy via_rhine mii ehci_hcd uhci_hcd usbcore pata_via 
> ide_pci_generic ide_core sd_mod thermal processor fan unix
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: Pid: 27034, comm: hdparm Tainted: G        W  
> 2.6.29-rc4 #1
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: Call Trace:
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] warn_slowpath+0xd8/0x111
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] radix_tree_insert+0xd7/0x19f
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
> add_to_page_cache_locked+0x52/0x9e
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
> add_to_page_cache_lru+0x40/0x58
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
> find_or_create_page+0x62/0x88
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
> alloc_extent_buffer+0x268/0x2ec [btrfs]
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] clean_tree_block+0x9d/0xbb 
> [btrfs]
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
> btrfs_init_new_buffer+0x99/0xf3 [btrfs]
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
> btrfs_alloc_free_block+0x83/0x8c [btrfs]
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
> __btrfs_cow_block+0x1ff/0x87e [btrfs]
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] btrfs_cow_block+0x1e7/0x1f6 
> [btrfs]
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
> __alloc_pages_internal+0xd2/0x3ec
> Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
> btrfs_search_slot+0x36f/0x99b [bt

btrfs: warn_slowpath in clean_tree_block and others

2009-02-24 Thread Hugo Mills
   This is essentially a repost of a mail I made last week, to which I
didn't get a reply.

   I'm getting huge numbers of kernel warnings whilst using
btrfs. They're all "warn_slowpath", and all seem to be in
fs/btrfs/disk-io.c. I've included one typical example at the end of
this mail.

   Kernel versions are 2.6.29-rc2, -rc4 and -rc6.

   If I do lots of writes to my btrfs filesystem (e.g. video
encoding), I end up with a syslog in the tens-of-megabytes range. This
makes logcheck an unhappy bunny...

   I don't know if this behaviour is expected, and everyone using
btrfs simply puts up with it for now, or if it's something unusual
that needs investigating. On the chance that it's the latter, I'm
reporting it here.

   Hugo.

Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [ cut here ]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: WARNING: at fs/btrfs/disk-io.c:815 
clean_tree_block+0x9d/0xbb [btrfs]()
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: Hardware name: System Product Name
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: Modules linked in: tun ext3 jbd btrfs zlib_deflate 
tcp_diag inet_diag kqemu cpufreq_userspace ipv6 nfsd nfs lockd nfs_acl 
auth_rpcgss sunrpc af_packet bridge stp llc xfs exportfs it87 hwmon_vid 
powernow_k8 sbp2 ieee1394 ide_generic ide_gd_mod ide_cd_mod pcspkr evdev k8temp 
hwmon i2c_viapro i2c_core button dm_mirror dm_region_hash dm_log dm_snapshot 
dm_mod raid1 md_mod usbhid usb_storage libusual sg sr_mod cdrom via82cxxx 
floppy via_rhine mii ehci_hcd uhci_hcd usbcore pata_via ide_pci_generic 
ide_core sd_mod thermal processor fan unix
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: Pid: 27034, comm: hdparm Tainted: GW  
2.6.29-rc4 #1
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: Call Trace:
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] warn_slowpath+0xd8/0x111
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] radix_tree_insert+0xd7/0x19f
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
add_to_page_cache_locked+0x52/0x9e
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
add_to_page_cache_lru+0x40/0x58
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] find_or_create_page+0x62/0x88
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
alloc_extent_buffer+0x268/0x2ec [btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] clean_tree_block+0x9d/0xbb 
[btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
btrfs_init_new_buffer+0x99/0xf3 [btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
btrfs_alloc_free_block+0x83/0x8c [btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] __btrfs_cow_block+0x1ff/0x87e 
[btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] btrfs_cow_block+0x1e7/0x1f6 
[btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
__alloc_pages_internal+0xd2/0x3ec
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] btrfs_search_slot+0x36f/0x99b 
[btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
btrfs_insert_empty_items+0x7f/0x49d [btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
__btrfs_alloc_reserved_extent+0x19f/0x2bb [btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] btrfs_alloc_extent+0x77/0xa2 
[btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
btrfs_alloc_free_block+0x64/0x8c [btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] __btrfs_cow_block+0x1ff/0x87e 
[btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
finish_current_insert+0x514/0x528 [btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
del_pending_extents+0xa5/0x33d [btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] btrfs_cow_block+0x1e7/0x1f6 
[btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
btrfs_commit_tree_roots+0x53/0x1ba [btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] schedule_timeout+0xa1/0xbc
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
btrfs_commit_transaction+0x322/0x6e5 [btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] 
autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x2e
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] join_transaction+0x129/0x147 
[btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] btrfs_sync_fs+0x70/0x78 
[btrfs]
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] sync_filesystems+0xa8/0xde
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] do_sync+0x25/0x50
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] sys_sync+0xe/0x13
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: [] system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
Feb 23 21:45:42 vlad kernel: ---[ end trace a315082d564863a6 ]---


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warn_slowpath in clean_tree_block

2009-02-16 Thread Hugo Mills
   I've just started playing with Btrfs, and I'm getting a log full of
kernel warnings that look something like this:

Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [ cut here ]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: WARNING: at fs/btrfs/disk-io.c:815 
clean_tree_block+0x9d/0xbb [btrfs]()
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: Hardware name: System Product Name
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: Modules linked in: btrfs zlib_deflate tcp_diag 
inet_diag kqemu cpufreq_userspace ipv6 nfsd nfs lockd nfs_acl auth_rpcgss 
sunrpc af_packet bridge stp llc xfs exportfs it87 hwmon_vid powernow_k8 sbp2 
ieee1394 ide_generic ide_gd_mod ide_cd_mod pcspkr evdev k8temp hwmon i2c_viapro 
i2c_core button dm_mirror dm_region_hash dm_log dm_snapshot dm_mod raid1 md_mod 
usbhid usb_storage libusual sg sr_mod cdrom via82cxxx floppy via_rhine mii 
ehci_hcd uhci_hcd usbcore pata_via ide_pci_generic ide_core sd_mod thermal 
processor fan unix
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: Pid: 24129, comm: btrfs-endio-wri Tainted: G   
 W  2.6.29-rc4 #1
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: Call Trace:
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] warn_slowpath+0xd8/0x111
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] 
__alloc_pages_internal+0xd2/0x3ec
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] 
add_to_page_cache_locked+0x52/0x9e
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] 
add_to_page_cache_lru+0x40/0x58
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] find_or_create_page+0x62/0x88
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] rb_insert_color+0xba/0xe2
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] 
alloc_extent_buffer+0x268/0x2ec [btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] clean_tree_block+0x9d/0xbb 
[btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] 
btrfs_init_new_buffer+0x99/0xf3 [btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] 
btrfs_alloc_free_block+0x83/0x8c [btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] split_leaf+0x159/0xa0a [btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] btrfs_item_offset+0xb3/0xbe 
[btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] leaf_space_used+0xb5/0xe8 
[btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] btrfs_search_slot+0x917/0x99b 
[btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] 
btrfs_drop_extents+0xa75/0xab3 [btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] 
btrfs_insert_empty_items+0x7f/0x49d [btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] 
insert_reserved_file_extent+0xd9/0x230 [btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] set_extent_bit+0x220/0x277 
[btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] lock_extent+0x46/0x95 [btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] 
btrfs_finish_ordered_io+0xfe/0x198 [btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] 
end_bio_extent_writepage+0xa9/0x1b1 [btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] worker_loop+0x5f/0x15e [btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] worker_loop+0x0/0x15e [btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] worker_loop+0x0/0x15e [btrfs]
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] kthread+0x47/0x73
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] child_rip+0xa/0x20
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] kthread+0x0/0x73
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: [] child_rip+0x0/0x20
Feb 16 09:02:17 vlad kernel: ---[ end trace a315082d5647b979 ]---

   They're not all identical -- there are bits in the middle of the
trace that change. They tend to arrive in groups of 4-8 warnings very
close together, separated by 15-20 seconds without a warning. The
workload was encoding a video from another filesystem, onto the Btrfs
filesystem. It's quiet when there's nothing accessing the filesystem.

   The filesystem is 19GiB in size, residing on LVM-on-RAID-1 on a
2.6.29-rc4 kernel. It was created on 2.6.29-rc3, 20GiB in size using
btrfs tools 0.18-ge3b0f66, and shrunk online to its current size.

   I haven't found any similar reports on the mailing list, which
means either I've got something unusual, or something so blindingly
expected that nobody's bothered to mention it. I suspect the latter,
but I'm reporting it in case it's the former.

   Hugo.

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   --- "You got very nice eyes, Deedee. Never noticed them ---   
   before. They real?"   


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