Re: [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
On 2/23/07, Andrew Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/23/07, Nick Tannenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi gurus, I've two questions for you. 1. Could you point me to a DVB-S hardware supports external CAM modules that is 100% working with Linux. Just tell me a Card and a model. Technotrend S-1500 + CI works for me. http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/p146_Technotrend-Budget-S-1500-incl--Remote--W98-ME-2K-XP-MCE-.html Hi Andrew - what CAM are you using? ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
there are working for me: TT S-1500 + CI with Cryptoworks CAM p. - Original Message - From: Simon Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrew Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nick Tannenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: linux-dvb@linuxtv.org Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question On 2/23/07, Andrew Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/23/07, Nick Tannenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi gurus, I've two questions for you. 1. Could you point me to a DVB-S hardware supports external CAM modules that is 100% working with Linux. Just tell me a Card and a model. Technotrend S-1500 + CI works for me. http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/p146_Technotrend-Budget-S-1500-incl--Remote--W98-ME-2K-XP-MCE-.html Hi Andrew - what CAM are you using? ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: Re : Re : [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
On 2/26/07, Dominique Dumont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (though it may be a part of libdvb that Christophe mentioned): http://linuxtv.org/hg/dvb-apps?mf=8b37590c8695;path=/lib/libdvben50221/;style=gitweb the dvb libraries in dvb-apps are loosely coupled so that it can be used in accordance to an external application author's liking. ie, it can be used as a whole along with the rest of the libdvb* , ie all the libs are used , OR can be used as individual libs. The same applies to the other libs as well. Recently we had DVB-H support added in to libucsi (the SI parser) IIRC. As an exaple, gnutv is a cmd line application that uses the entire set of libs. kaffeince also uses the set of libraries, i think. The user application has the ultimate choice, how to use the same. regards, manu ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: Re : Re : [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
Klaus Schmidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you give me a hint how the high level API should be accessed through the LinuxDVB driver? As Christophe said, it's mostly a matter of sending PMT messages. There used to be a ca_zap program written by Manu Abraham, but I can't find any reference about it now. Looks like ca_zap was renamed to zap_ca: http://linuxtv.org/hg/dvb-apps?f=04b7e6c5335a;file=util/zap/zap_ca.c;style=gitweb And here's a small command line to send message to CAM through hi-level API: http://linuxtv.org/hg/dvb-apps?mf=8b37590c8695;path=/util/dst-utils/;style=gitweb And this libdvben50221 library may be quite interesting for vdr (though it may be a part of libdvb that Christophe mentioned): http://linuxtv.org/hg/dvb-apps?mf=8b37590c8695;path=/lib/libdvben50221/;style=gitweb HTH ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: Re : [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
Rudy Zijlstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as i know, a CAM can decrypt only 1 channel at the same time. Irrespective of which CAM make model. Aston dual CAM (Viacess and others) can decrypt 2 channels at a time (provided the CI stack on Linux side can provide correct informations). Aston pro can decrypt more channels at a time but they are much more expensive. HTH ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re : Re : [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
Le 24.02.2007 12:22:32, Dominique Dumont a écrit : Rudy Zijlstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as i know, a CAM can decrypt only 1 channel at the same time. Irrespective of which CAM make model. Aston dual CAM (Viacess and others) can decrypt 2 channels at a time (provided the CI stack on Linux side can provide correct informations). And does the linux CI stack provide this? Thx, Manu ___ Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: Re : [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
Dominique Dumont wrote: Rudy Zijlstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as i know, a CAM can decrypt only 1 channel at the same time. Irrespective of which CAM make model. Aston dual CAM (Viacess and others) can decrypt 2 channels at a time (provided the CI stack on Linux side can provide correct informations). Well, did the stack support it? Has anybody tested it? Aston pro can decrypt more channels at a time but they are much more expensive. Well I'm willing to get one of these provided that it is supported (: [1]: http://www.aston-france.com/pdf/aston_cam_en.pdf [2]: http://www.aston-france.com/modules-professionnels.html -- Cheers, Nick. ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: Re : [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
On 2/24/07, Dominique Dumont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rudy Zijlstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as i know, a CAM can decrypt only 1 channel at the same time. Irrespective of which CAM make model. Aston dual CAM (Viacess and others) can decrypt 2 channels at a time (provided the CI stack on Linux side can provide correct informations). Aston pro can decrypt more channels at a time but they are much more expensive. Yep, The Pro can do 24 ES's IIRC Manu ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: Re : [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
Nick Tannenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aston dual CAM (Viacess and others) can decrypt 2 channels at a time (provided the CI stack on Linux side can provide correct informations). Well, did the stack support it? Has anybody tested it? I've just tested this with vdr (where the EN50221 stack is implemented) and Aston dual viaccess CAM , and it works fine. I able top record a stream while watching another (on the same transponder) Note that this feature will depend on the DVB application you're using and on how the stack is implemented. HTH ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: Re : Re : [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
manu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aston dual CAM (Viacess and others) can decrypt 2 channels at a time (provided the CI stack on Linux side can provide correct informations). And does the linux CI stack provide this? There's the rub. There's no such thing as the linux CI stack. Each dvb application provides its own CI (EN50221) stack. Vdr has one, kaffeine also and probably other applications. To make the issue more complex, there's 2 ways to implement the CI stack, depending on the DVB card. For low level CI API, i.e. Hauppauge TT cards), the CI stack is ~90% implemented in software in the DVB application. For high level CI (i.e Twinhan and clones), the stack is half implemented in firmare (i.e. bugs can't be fixed) and half in software in the application. AFAIK, vdr can't handle high-level CI API. For more information, see: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/CI http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Supported_CAM_modules HTH ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
Le samedi 24 février 2007 22:16, Dominique Dumont a écrit : manu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aston dual CAM (Viacess and others) can decrypt 2 channels at a time (provided the CI stack on Linux side can provide correct informations). And does the linux CI stack provide this? There's the rub. There's no such thing as the linux CI stack. Each dvb application provides its own CI (EN50221) stack. Vdr has one, kaffeine also and probably other applications. To make the issue more complex, there's 2 ways to implement the CI stack, depending on the DVB card. For low level CI API, i.e. Hauppauge TT cards), the CI stack is ~90% implemented in software in the DVB application. For high level CI (i.e Twinhan and clones), the stack is half implemented in firmare (i.e. bugs can't be fixed) and half in software in the application. AFAIK, vdr can't handle high-level CI API. For more information, see: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/CI http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Supported_CAM_modules Kaffeine uses libdvb, that implements a CI stack that supports both HLCI and LLCI. libdvb can be found in v4l-dvb tree. -- Christophe Thommeret ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: Re : Re : [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
Dominique Dumont wrote: ... For low level CI API, i.e. Hauppauge TT cards), the CI stack is ~90% implemented in software in the DVB application. For high level CI (i.e Twinhan and clones), the stack is half implemented in firmare (i.e. bugs can't be fixed) and half in software in the application. AFAIK, vdr can't handle high-level CI API. From what I can see in http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/CI all that VDR would have to do in order to use the high level API would be to go from the application layer directly to the CAM. However, I don't know of any driver API for this. Can you give me a hint how the high level API should be accessed through the LinuxDVB driver? Klaus ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
Le samedi 24 février 2007 23:00, Klaus Schmidinger a écrit : Dominique Dumont wrote: ... For low level CI API, i.e. Hauppauge TT cards), the CI stack is ~90% implemented in software in the DVB application. For high level CI (i.e Twinhan and clones), the stack is half implemented in firmare (i.e. bugs can't be fixed) and half in software in the application. AFAIK, vdr can't handle high-level CI API. From what I can see in http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/CI all that VDR would have to do in order to use the high level API would be to go from the application layer directly to the CAM. However, I don't know of any driver API for this. Can you give me a hint how the high level API should be accessed through the LinuxDVB driver? IIRC, you just have to send a pmt msg. -- Christophe Thommeret ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re : [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
Le 23.02.2007 08:07:44, Nick Tannenberg a écrit : Hi gurus, I've two questions for you. 1. Could you point me to a DVB-S hardware supports external CAM modules that is 100% working with Linux. Just tell me a Card and a model. Pointing me to online shop that sells these babies will be perfect. I'm interested in using that card with Irdeto 2 module. 2. Is it possible using the above mentioned card with CAM module to configure the card so I can receive whole PVC (couple of channels) at one time, having in mind that all channels can be decrypted using the same Irdeto2 card? I am pretty sure that you can't do that and I think its because the hardware itself can't do that, but I am not sure. Bye Manu ___ Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
On 2/23/07, Nick Tannenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi gurus, I've two questions for you. 1. Could you point me to a DVB-S hardware supports external CAM modules that is 100% working with Linux. Just tell me a Card and a model. Technotrend S-1500 + CI works for me. Andy Pointing me to online shop that sells these babies will be perfect. I'm interested in using that card with Irdeto 2 module. 2. Is it possible using the above mentioned card with CAM module to configure the card so I can receive whole PVC (couple of channels) at one time, having in mind that all channels can be decrypted using the same Irdeto2 card? If decryption could happen within CAM module and I'm able to receive couple of channels like F2A channels that would be perfect. -- Cheers, Nick. ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
Andrew Lyon wrote: On 2/23/07, Andrew Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/23/07, Nick Tannenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi gurus, I've two questions for you. 1. Could you point me to a DVB-S hardware supports external CAM modules that is 100% working with Linux. Just tell me a Card and a model. Technotrend S-1500 + CI works for me. http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/p146_Technotrend-Budget-S-1500-incl--Remote--W98-ME-2K-XP-MCE-.html Thanks a lot. I buy one now for testing. -- Cheers, Nick. ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
On 2/23/07, Andrew Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/23/07, Nick Tannenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi gurus, I've two questions for you. 1. Could you point me to a DVB-S hardware supports external CAM modules that is 100% working with Linux. Just tell me a Card and a model. Technotrend S-1500 + CI works for me. http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/p146_Technotrend-Budget-S-1500-incl--Remote--W98-ME-2K-XP-MCE-.html Andy Pointing me to online shop that sells these babies will be perfect. I'm interested in using that card with Irdeto 2 module. 2. Is it possible using the above mentioned card with CAM module to configure the card so I can receive whole PVC (couple of channels) at one time, having in mind that all channels can be decrypted using the same Irdeto2 card? If decryption could happen within CAM module and I'm able to receive couple of channels like F2A channels that would be perfect. -- Cheers, Nick. ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: Re : [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
manu wrote: Le 23.02.2007 08:07:44, Nick Tannenberg a écrit : Hi gurus, I've two questions for you. 1. Could you point me to a DVB-S hardware supports external CAM modules that is 100% working with Linux. Just tell me a Card and a model. Pointing me to online shop that sells these babies will be perfect. I'm interested in using that card with Irdeto 2 module. 2. Is it possible using the above mentioned card with CAM module to configure the card so I can receive whole PVC (couple of channels) at one time, having in mind that all channels can be decrypted using the same Irdeto2 card? I am pretty sure that you can't do that and I think its because the hardware itself can't do that, but I am not sure. Bye Manu As far as i know, a CAM can decrypt only 1 channel at the same time. Irrespective of which CAM make model. Rudy ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: Re : [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 03:03:37PM +0100, Rudy Zijlstra wrote: manu wrote: Le 23.02.2007 08:07:44, Nick Tannenberg a écrit : Hi gurus, I've two questions for you. 1. Could you point me to a DVB-S hardware supports external CAM modules that is 100% working with Linux. Just tell me a Card and a model. Pointing me to online shop that sells these babies will be perfect. I'm interested in using that card with Irdeto 2 module. 2. Is it possible using the above mentioned card with CAM module to configure the card so I can receive whole PVC (couple of channels) at one time, having in mind that all channels can be decrypted using the same Irdeto2 card? I am pretty sure that you can't do that and I think its because the hardware itself can't do that, but I am not sure. Bye Manu As far as i know, a CAM can decrypt only 1 channel at the same time. Irrespective of which CAM make model. This depends on the CAM, the CI stack you use and what streams you want to decrypt of each programme. Alphacrypt and Cryptoworks can at least decrypt two services with two program streams each, I did not get this to work with some other modules. For Conax and Viaccess, have a look here: http://www.precon.com/sat/receiver/module.htm Rudy Regards, Wolfgang ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: Re : Re : [linux-dvb] Working DVB-S + CAM question
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 06:30:03PM -0400, manu wrote: Le 23.02.2007 10:45:31, Wolfgang Wegner a écrit : [...] This depends on the CAM, the CI stack you use and what streams you want to decrypt of each programme. Alphacrypt and Cryptoworks can at least decrypt two services with two program streams each, I did not get this to work with some other modules. For Conax and Viaccess, have a look here: http://www.precon.com/sat/receiver/module.htm Hmm you're right, but is this supported with the current DVB drivers? Bye Manu I have to admit: I do not know. Currently I have no CI in my linux-DVB setup. Experience with CI modules is from my work, with non-linux (closed source) CI stack. Regards, Wolfgang ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
