Installing Debian Squeeze (i386) - No $HOSTNAME set

2010-09-21 Thread Karl Wallner

Hallo,

just tried to install current Debian Squeeze (i386) using fai 3.4.2 with partly 
success.
(Installation with Fai is quite new to me, so maybe I should have tried lenny 
first - but
however I need a squeeze installation.)

So here is what I have done:
- Downloaded and installed fai-packages from 
http://people.debian.org/~mika/fai/release/
- Typical commands:
fai-setup
fai-mirror /srv/fai/mirror
make-fai-nfsroot;
fai-cd -f -m /srv/fai/mirror /mnt/hgfs/TEMP/fai-test1.iso
  Just used demo config (except some changes for my local mirror).
- Booted the fai-cd
- Selected gnomehost (demohost didn't work either)

After installation finished only the base system (FAIBASE and DHCPC) was there,
no GNOME and no GERMAN as expected. The login prompt on the second terminal is
"root@(none)". No hostname set, no network configuration, "cat /proc/cmdline"
says:
BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz boot=live FAI_FLAGS=verbose,createvt
FAI_ACTION=install ip=192.168.1.1:eth0:of hostname=gnomehost"

Guess somehow these settings should be passed to the installation system.
That seems to be the reason why only FAIBASE was installed (script 
"50-host-classes").


Regards
Karl



Re: Installing Debian Squeeze (i386) - No $HOSTNAME set

2010-09-21 Thread Toomas Tamm
Perhaps stupid question but you did not mention that... did you boot the
machine at the end of installation? If yes, are you sure your booted the
installed system, rather than the installation system again?

It sounds like you are still at the prompt of the installation system,
not your installed system.

Toomas

On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 12:46 +0200, Karl Wallner wrote:
> Hallo,
> 
> just tried to install current Debian Squeeze (i386) using fai 3.4.2 with 
> partly success.
> (Installation with Fai is quite new to me, so maybe I should have tried lenny 
> first - but
> however I need a squeeze installation.)
> 
> So here is what I have done:
> - Downloaded and installed fai-packages from 
> http://people.debian.org/~mika/fai/release/
> - Typical commands:
>   fai-setup
>   fai-mirror /srv/fai/mirror
>   make-fai-nfsroot;
>   fai-cd -f -m /srv/fai/mirror /mnt/hgfs/TEMP/fai-test1.iso
>Just used demo config (except some changes for my local mirror).
> - Booted the fai-cd
> - Selected gnomehost (demohost didn't work either)
> 
> After installation finished only the base system (FAIBASE and DHCPC) was 
> there,
> no GNOME and no GERMAN as expected. The login prompt on the second terminal is
> "root@(none)". No hostname set, no network configuration, "cat /proc/cmdline"
> says:
>   BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz boot=live FAI_FLAGS=verbose,createvt
>   FAI_ACTION=install ip=192.168.1.1:eth0:of hostname=gnomehost"
> 
> Guess somehow these settings should be passed to the installation system.
> That seems to be the reason why only FAIBASE was installed (script 
> "50-host-classes").
> 
> 
> Regards
>   Karl
> 


Re: Installing Debian Squeeze (i386) - No $HOSTNAME set

2010-09-21 Thread Karl Wallner

Am 21.09.2010 16:36, schrieb Toomas Tamm:

Perhaps stupid question but you did not mention that... did you boot the
machine at the end of installation? If yes, are you sure your booted the
installed system, rather than the installation system again?

It sounds like you are still at the prompt of the installation system,
not your installed system.


After reboot the prompt is still "root@(none)".

IMHO the selection of package classes works like this:
- In Grub menu.lists there is some entry like: ... hostname=gnomehost
- The installation system somehow detects this and should set the hostname <== 
This step fails
- The script "/var/lib/fai/config/classes/50-host-classes" selects package 
classes to install.

#! /bin/bash

# assign classes hosts

# use a list of classes for our demo machine
case $HOSTNAME in
faiserver)
echo "FAIBASE DEMO FAISERVER" ;;
demohost)
echo "FAIBASE DHCPC DEMO" ;;
gnomehost)
echo "FAIBASE DHCPC DEMO XORG GNOME";;
atom*)
echo "FAIBASE DHCPC DEMO" ;;
bear)
echo "FAIBASE DHCPC LVM_XEN_SERVER XEN" ;;
puma)
echo "FAIBASE DHCPC RAID_XEN_VIRTUAL" ;;
*)
echo "FAIBASE DHCPC" ;;
esac


As the hostname remains unset during installation (and also after reboot)
only a base system is installed.

Guess this is problem has sth. to with debian squeeze or fai 3.4.2.

Karl



Re: Installing Debian Squeeze (i386) - No $HOSTNAME set

2010-09-24 Thread Michael Tautschnig
Hi Mika and everyone,

[...]

> 
> After installation finished only the base system (FAIBASE and DHCPC) was 
> there,
> no GNOME and no GERMAN as expected. The login prompt on the second terminal is
> "root@(none)". No hostname set, no network configuration, "cat /proc/cmdline"
> says:
>   BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz boot=live FAI_FLAGS=verbose,createvt
>   FAI_ACTION=install ip=192.168.1.1:eth0:of hostname=gnomehost"
> 
> Guess somehow these settings should be passed to the installation system.
> That seems to be the reason why only FAIBASE was installed (script 
> "50-host-classes").
> 

Could it be that setting the hostname from the kernel command line is more or
less *again* broken? Mika, explicitly speaking to you as you seem to be the one
most up-to-date regarding live-initramfs and friends. At some earlier stage it
was necessary to use HOSTNAME=gnomehost to make things work, then
hostname=gnomehost used to work. Looking at the code in scripts/live in *lenny*
there is explicit parsing of a hostname= parameter. This hostname parameter is
*not* parsed in the version in squeeze anymore.

Karl (or anybody else having a squeeze system at hand), could you maybe try
whether using HOSTNAME=gnomehost makes things work?

If this is the case, then we should definitely also fix this for squeeze (again
speaking to Mika as FAI stable release manager :-) ).

Best,
Michael



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Re: Installing Debian Squeeze (i386) - No $HOSTNAME set

2010-09-25 Thread Karl Wallner

Am 25.09.2010 00:27, schrieb Michael Tautschnig:


Karl (or anybody else having a squeeze system at hand), could you maybe try
whether using HOSTNAME=gnomehost makes things work?


Yep. This helps - at least for the package selection.

Still some problems remain:
- Some scripts fail (will look at this).
- Some package names are wrong.

... but generally the installed system looks ok now.

Thank you,

Karl


Re: Installing Debian Squeeze (i386) - No $HOSTNAME set

2010-09-25 Thread Michael Tautschnig
> Am 25.09.2010 00:27, schrieb Michael Tautschnig:
> >
> >Karl (or anybody else having a squeeze system at hand), could you maybe try
> >whether using HOSTNAME=gnomehost makes things work?
> >
> Yep. This helps - at least for the package selection.
> 
> Still some problems remain:
>   - Some scripts fail (will look at this).
>   - Some package names are wrong.
> 
> ... but generally the installed system looks ok now.
> 

It would be fantastic if you could provide the full logs of your installation,
it seems that not too many people have used FAI on full squeeze systems before.
We definitely need to resolve these issues before the release.

Thanks a lot,
Michael



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Re: Installing Debian Squeeze (i386) - No $HOSTNAME set

2010-09-28 Thread Karl Wallner

Hallo Michael,

Am 25.09.2010 17:53, schrieb Michael Tautschnig:
> It would be fantastic if you could provide the full logs of your installation,
> it seems that not too many people have used FAI on full squeeze systems 
before.
> We definitely need to resolve these issues before the release.

here is a list of problems/annoyances during installation of Debian Squeeze 
with fai 3.4.2:

1. Use uppercase hostname/ip parameters in boot command line.
   Change to uppercase in "/srv/tftp/fai/pxelinux.cfg/*" or "/etc/fai/grub.cfg"
> APPEND boot=live FAI_FLAGS="verbose,createvt" FAI_ACTION=install IP=192.168.148.100:eth0:off HOSTNAME=gnomehost 
root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.148.11:/srv/fai/nfsroot


2. ftp-logserver does not default to install server.
   Need to set Logserver explicitly in file /etc/fai/fai.conf.
> # Name of log-server. If undefined, the install server will be used.
> LOGSERVER=faiserver

3. ssh-command for fai-chboot (Calling task_chboot) requires user input.
> The authenticity of host 'faiserver (192.168.148.11)' can't be established.
> RSA key fingerprint is ...
> Are you sure you want to continue connection (yes/no)?
Solution is to append the line "StrictHostKeyChecking no" to 
/etc/ssh/ssh_config (for nfsroot).

4. Some packages missing in squeeze
> fai.log:No candidate version found for iceweasel-gnome-support
> fai.log:No candidate version found for icedove-gnome-support
> fai.log:No candidate version found for gnome-apt
These packages are not available for debian squeeze.

5. Error when running fai-setup
> df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or 
directory
>
No /etc/mtab inside nfsroot.
Solution is to add a softlink: "ln -sf /proc/mounts /etc/mtab"

6. Error when running fai-setup
> Creating config file /etc/default/grub with new version
> grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
> grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot (is /dev mounted?).
> grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?).
No idea on this errors. Can't detect any problems caused by this.

7. Error messages on modules.dep missing (but file exists!)
> fai.log:FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-486/modules.dep: No such 
file or directory
> fai.log:FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-486/modules.dep: No such 
file or directory
> fai.log:FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-486/modules.dep: No such 
file or directory
Reason was 5.

8. Final reboot (task_faiend) produces some messages (Messages only visible for 
a moment).
   Messages like: "Unmounting ...", "Failed to unmount ...", "Remount read 
only".
   But everything works find after it.


Regards,

Karl


Re: Installing Debian Squeeze (i386) - No $HOSTNAME set

2010-10-04 Thread Michael Tautschnig
Hi all,

I've started to review these changes and added some fixes in
4.0~beta2+experimental22. However, there are still a few open issues from my
point of view.

[...]

> 
> here is a list of problems/annoyances during installation of Debian Squeeze 
> with fai 3.4.2:
> 
> 1. Use uppercase hostname/ip parameters in boot command line.
>Change to uppercase in "/srv/tftp/fai/pxelinux.cfg/*" or 
> "/etc/fai/grub.cfg"
> > APPEND boot=live FAI_FLAGS="verbose,createvt" FAI_ACTION=install
> IP=192.168.148.100:eth0:off HOSTNAME=gnomehost root=/dev/nfs
> nfsroot=192.168.148.11:/srv/fai/nfsroot
> 

I've added the HOSTNAME= changes, but I'm not that sure about the IP= stuff. I
have also mailed Mika to seek further input from debian-live, if possible.

> 2. ftp-logserver does not default to install server.
>Need to set Logserver explicitly in file /etc/fai/fai.conf.
> > # Name of log-server. If undefined, the install server will be used.
> > LOGSERVER=faiserver
> 

Well, apparently the comments in your fai.conf are still outdated/misleading. I
believe this has since be fixed (LOGSERVER isn't even listed there by default
anymore). The true issue, however, is that LOGSERVER defaults to $SERVER, which
is supposed to be set in get-boot-info; but get-boot-info tries to evaluate the
ip= kernel command line option, which in your case has been changed to IP=...

> 3. ssh-command for fai-chboot (Calling task_chboot) requires user input.
> > The authenticity of host 'faiserver (192.168.148.11)' can't be established.
> > RSA key fingerprint is ...
> > Are you sure you want to continue connection (yes/no)?
> Solution is to append the line "StrictHostKeyChecking no" to 
> /etc/ssh/ssh_config (for nfsroot).
> 

No, fai-setup should be taking care of this, as good as it can. There should be
some output resulting from echo "$sshdir/known_hosts created."; you might want
to check the contents of that file.

> 4. Some packages missing in squeeze
> > fai.log:No candidate version found for iceweasel-gnome-support
> > fai.log:No candidate version found for icedove-gnome-support
> > fai.log:No candidate version found for gnome-apt
> These packages are not available for debian squeeze.
> 

Thanks a lot, fixed in this experimental version.

> 5. Error when running fai-setup
> > df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or 
> > directory
> >
> No /etc/mtab inside nfsroot.
> Solution is to add a softlink: "ln -sf /proc/mounts /etc/mtab"
> 

I have no idea when df would be called, or which script should be calling it.

> 6. Error when running fai-setup
> > Creating config file /etc/default/grub with new version
> > grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
> > grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot (is /dev mounted?).
> > grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?).
> No idea on this errors. Can't detect any problems caused by this.
> 

It's just installing the grub package in the NFSROOT, but it can (obviously) not
be properly configured; should not pose any problems.

> 7. Error messages on modules.dep missing (but file exists!)
> > fai.log:FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-486/modules.dep: No 
> > such file or directory
> > fai.log:FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-486/modules.dep: No 
> > such file or directory
> > fai.log:FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-486/modules.dep: No 
> > such file or directory
> Reason was 5.
> 
> 8. Final reboot (task_faiend) produces some messages (Messages only visible 
> for a moment).
>Messages like: "Unmounting ...", "Failed to unmount ...", "Remount read 
> only".
>But everything works find after it.
> 

No idea about the last two; but for the moment we probably don't need to worry
too much about these as installation seems to succeed, so no need for quick
fixes for squeeze.

Thanks a lot for the detailed report! We still need to fix those kernel command
line issues, and I'd say we badly need a proper fix.

Best,
Michael



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Re: Installing Debian Squeeze (i386) - No $HOSTNAME set

2010-10-04 Thread Michael Tautschnig
Hi Karl,

> Hallo Michael,
> 
> Am 25.09.2010 17:53, schrieb Michael Tautschnig:
> > It would be fantastic if you could provide the full logs of your 
> > installation,
> > it seems that not too many people have used FAI on full squeeze systems 
> > before.
> > We definitely need to resolve these issues before the release.
> 
> here is a list of problems/annoyances during installation of Debian Squeeze 
> with fai 3.4.2:
> 
> 1. Use uppercase hostname/ip parameters in boot command line.
>Change to uppercase in "/srv/tftp/fai/pxelinux.cfg/*" or 
> "/etc/fai/grub.cfg"
> > APPEND boot=live FAI_FLAGS="verbose,createvt" FAI_ACTION=install
> IP=192.168.148.100:eth0:off HOSTNAME=gnomehost root=/dev/nfs
> nfsroot=192.168.148.11:/srv/fai/nfsroot
> 

[...]

As a number of doubts were raised by several people - could you please reaffirm
that you had to use an uppercase IP= parameter and that the lowercase ip=
version did not work?

Thanks a lot,
Michael



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Re: Installing Debian Squeeze (i386) - No $HOSTNAME set

2010-10-05 Thread Karl Wallner

Hi,

just updated to 3.4.3~rc1. All further observations refer to this version.


1. Use uppercase hostname/ip parameters in boot command line.
Change to uppercase in "/srv/tftp/fai/pxelinux.cfg/*" or "/etc/fai/grub.cfg"

APPEND boot=live FAI_FLAGS="verbose,createvt" FAI_ACTION=install

IP=192.168.148.100:eth0:off HOSTNAME=gnomehost root=/dev/nfs
nfsroot=192.168.148.11:/srv/fai/nfsroot



I've added the HOSTNAME= changes, but I'm not that sure about the IP= stuff. I
have also mailed Mika to seek further input from debian-live, if possible.


I'll check it later.


3. ssh-command for fai-chboot (Calling task_chboot) requires user input.

The authenticity of host 'faiserver (192.168.148.11)' can't be established.
RSA key fingerprint is ...
Are you sure you want to continue connection (yes/no)?

Solution is to append the line "StrictHostKeyChecking no" to 
/etc/ssh/ssh_config (for nfsroot).



No, fai-setup should be taking care of this, as good as it can. There should be
some output resulting from echo "$sshdir/known_hosts created."; you might want
to check the contents of that file.


"$sshdir/known_hosts" is only created when FAI_LOGPROTO is "ssh". (I used LOGPROTO 
"ftp".)
fai-setup:95> if [ "$FAI_LOGPROTO" = "ssh" ]; then


5. Error when running fai-setup

df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or 
directory


No /etc/mtab inside nfsroot.
Solution is to add a softlink: "ln -sf /proc/mounts /etc/mtab"



I have no idea when df would be called, or which script should be calling it.

It's called by "update-initramfs" (during fai-setup). Reproducible with:
> r...@sque32:~# chroot /srv/fai/nfsroot/live/filesystem.dir
> r...@sque32:/# update-initramfs -u
> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-486
> df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or 
directory
> warning: can't open /etc/mtab: No such file or directory



6. Error when running fai-setup

Creating config file /etc/default/grub with new version
grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot (is /dev mounted?).
grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?).

No idea on this errors. Can't detect any problems caused by this.



It's just installing the grub package in the NFSROOT, but it can (obviously) not
be properly configured; should not pose any problems.


grub-probe is called by grub-install, which is called by postinst of grub-pc 
(/var/lib/dpkg/info/grub-pc.postinst).
IMHO it is not useful to call grub-install inside nfs-root during fai-setup. 
fai-cd (iso+usb) do their own grub install.
Maybe it's better to install grub-pc unconfigured (dpkg --unpack).


Regards,

Karl Wallner



Re: Installing Debian Squeeze (i386) - No $HOSTNAME set

2010-10-05 Thread Karl Wallner

Hi Michael,

Am 04.10.2010 18:37, schrieb Michael Tautschnig:

As a number of doubts were raised by several people - could you please reaffirm
that you had to use an uppercase IP= parameter and that the lowercase ip=
version did not work?


I was wrong (I fooled myself while doing some dhcp setup/changes). Lowercase 
"ip" is correct.
Sorry for the confusion.

Regards,

Karl Wallner


Re: Installing Debian Squeeze (i386) - No $HOSTNAME set

2010-10-05 Thread Michael Tautschnig
> Hi Michael,
> 
> Am 04.10.2010 18:37, schrieb Michael Tautschnig:
> >As a number of doubts were raised by several people - could you please 
> >reaffirm
> >that you had to use an uppercase IP= parameter and that the lowercase ip=
> >version did not work?
> >
> I was wrong (I fooled myself while doing some dhcp setup/changes). Lowercase 
> "ip" is correct.
> Sorry for the confusion.
> 

But the hostname -> HOSTNAME stuff is still necessary?

Thanks a lot,
Michael



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Re: Installing Debian Squeeze (i386) - No $HOSTNAME set

2010-10-06 Thread Karl Wallner

Am 06.10.2010 01:43, schrieb Michael Tautschnig:

Hi Michael,

Am 04.10.2010 18:37, schrieb Michael Tautschnig:

As a number of doubts were raised by several people - could you please reaffirm
that you had to use an uppercase IP= parameter and that the lowercase ip=
version did not work?


I was wrong (I fooled myself while doing some dhcp setup/changes). Lowercase 
"ip" is correct.
Sorry for the confusion.



But the hostname ->  HOSTNAME stuff is still necessary?


Yes.


Regards,

Karl


Re: Installing Debian Squeeze (i386) - No $HOSTNAME set

2010-10-06 Thread Michael Prokop
* Karl Wallner  [Wed Oct 06, 2010 at 09:02:37PM +0200]:
> Am 06.10.2010 01:43, schrieb Michael Tautschnig:

>> But the hostname ->  HOSTNAME stuff is still necessary?

> Yes.

Ok, I think I found the problem.

Karl, can you please do me a favour and try the following:

Edit /lib/live/config.sh and replace:

# 001-hostname
live-config.hostname=*|hostname=*)
LIVE_HOSTNAME="${_PARAMETER#*hostname=}"
;;

with:


# 001-hostname
live-config.hostname=*|hostname=*)
HOSTNAME="${_PARAMETER#*hostname=}"
export HOSTNAME
;;


and then rebuild the initrd (using update-initramfs).

Why it's working for you with HOSTNAME=.. in the kernel cmdline is
that the kernel's cmdline content is reachable and exported to
userspace and therefore the HOSTNAME you provide works within FAI.

Why it's not working with hostname=... on the other side is that the
argument to hostname=... was exported as $HOSTNAME in older
live-initramfs versions but the behaviour was changed starting with
live-config 2.0~a1-1 where it became $HOST, starting with git commit
a1486378484ab4aa86165fc0493be9ff57079725 (resulting in live-config
2.0~a4-1) it's the above mentioned $LIVE_HOSTNAME but FAI relies on
$HOSTNAME being set.

I pinged the debian-live people to make sure they are aware of this
regression for FAI, let's see if they can help us in coming up with
a solution working for both sides.

regards,
-mika-
-- 
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Re: Installing Debian Squeeze (i386) - No $HOSTNAME set

2010-10-09 Thread Michael Tautschnig
Hi Karl,

[...] (hostname/HOSTNAME issue is tracked in a separate sub-thread)

> 
> >>3. ssh-command for fai-chboot (Calling task_chboot) requires user input.
> >>>The authenticity of host 'faiserver (192.168.148.11)' can't be established.
> >>>RSA key fingerprint is ...
> >>>Are you sure you want to continue connection (yes/no)?
> >>Solution is to append the line "StrictHostKeyChecking no" to 
> >>/etc/ssh/ssh_config (for nfsroot).
> >>
> >
> >No, fai-setup should be taking care of this, as good as it can. There should 
> >be
> >some output resulting from echo "$sshdir/known_hosts created."; you might 
> >want
> >to check the contents of that file.
> >
> "$sshdir/known_hosts" is only created when FAI_LOGPROTO is "ssh". (I used 
> LOGPROTO "ftp".)
> fai-setup:95> if [ "$FAI_LOGPROTO" = "ssh" ]; then
> 

Ah, ok, seems we are abusing that $LOG... stuff for running fai-chboot as well.
Not really nice, IMHO. Would you mind filing a bug with the Debian BTS about his
issue? I bet we're not going to get this fixed within the next days and it would
just get lost all too easily.

> >>5. Error when running fai-setup
> >>>df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or 
> >>>directory
> >>>
> >>No /etc/mtab inside nfsroot.
> >>Solution is to add a softlink: "ln -sf /proc/mounts /etc/mtab"
> >>
> >
> >I have no idea when df would be called, or which script should be calling it.
> It's called by "update-initramfs" (during fai-setup). Reproducible with:
> > r...@sque32:~# chroot /srv/fai/nfsroot/live/filesystem.dir
> > r...@sque32:/# update-initramfs -u
> > update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-486
> > df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or 
> > directory
> > warning: can't open /etc/mtab: No such file or directory
> 
> 
> >>6. Error when running fai-setup
> >>>Creating config file /etc/default/grub with new version
> >>>grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
> >>>grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot (is /dev mounted?).
> >>>grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?).
> >>No idea on this errors. Can't detect any problems caused by this.
> >>
> >
> >It's just installing the grub package in the NFSROOT, but it can (obviously) 
> >not
> >be properly configured; should not pose any problems.
> >
> grub-probe is called by grub-install, which is called by postinst of grub-pc 
> (/var/lib/dpkg/info/grub-pc.postinst).
> IMHO it is not useful to call grub-install inside nfs-root during fai-setup. 
> fai-cd (iso+usb) do their own grub install.
> Maybe it's better to install grub-pc unconfigured (dpkg --unpack).
> 

I'm not sure whether we want to fix those "problems" at all - none of them will
be causing problems for the installed system, doing a redirect to /dev/null
would be just as good.

Best,
Michael



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