Re: Killing KIssattach Kills Linux!
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Richard Adams wrote: > On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Tomi Manninen OH2BNS wrote: > >On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Joachim Holst wrote: > > > >> > What makes you (two) think the crashing is caused by anything AX.25 > >> > related? Do you see something AX.25 related in the Oops dump when it > >> > happens? If so, what? Please give us something usable to work with. Find > >> > the Oops in your system log and send it here for us to see or if your > >> > machine freezes before anything gets written in the log then write the > >> > Oops down and run it through ksymoops. > >> > >> From my side, it's a very loose guess. Since I didn't have this > >> problem with older kernels 2.0.x and the old AX25 utils but I do now > >> with new kernel and old AX25 utils, I found it quite natural to assume > >> that it was related with incompatible AX25 utils. > > > >Well, I don't find that very natural at all. There are million other > >things that changed in the kernel between 2.0.x and 2.2.x. It's actually > >much more probable that the problem is elsewhere. BUT, if you can show us > >an Oops trace (symbols resolved) with something AX.25 related then we can > >start debugging... > > > >> The old ones don't > >> compile on a 2.2.x kernel (at least not the last time I tried) and > >> neither did the new AX25 libs. I know that newer versions have been > >> released that do compile on a RedHat system (the reason why they > >> didn't compile earlier, weas RedHat related). > > > >Installing the new lib/tools/apps is very simple and there are now even > >RPMs available. Anyway if the problem turns out to be this (old utils) > >then it still is a kernel bug. No usermode application should be able to > >crash the kernel, even a faulty one! > > If i may stick my nose in, i would firstly take a _very_ close look > at the way 2.2.x kernels are made, ie what you define in the > > # Console drivers > > I fell into this pitfall, i got oopses strange colors on my screen > lockups you name it i had it. The answer is very easy RTFM > /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/* > > I'm not saying thats your problem, but one which will cause you grief > if its defined improperly, i know i was there had that and finaly > redfaced got it all going. > This might be my problem. I usually fire up menuconfig, activate the AX25 things in the kernel, recompile and install. RTFM doesn't come near me att all. I fond that in 99.99% the kernel will compile, boot and run ! /Jocke! SM7XAB Democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. -- George Bernard Shaw
Re: Killing KIssattach Kills Linux!
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Tomi Manninen OH2BNS wrote: > On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Joachim Holst wrote: > > > > What makes you (two) think the crashing is caused by anything AX.25 > > > related? Do you see something AX.25 related in the Oops dump when it > > > happens? If so, what? Please give us something usable to work with. Find > > > the Oops in your system log and send it here for us to see or if your > > > machine freezes before anything gets written in the log then write the > > > Oops down and run it through ksymoops. > > > > From my side, it's a very loose guess. Since I didn't have this > > problem with older kernels 2.0.x and the old AX25 utils but I do now > > with new kernel and old AX25 utils, I found it quite natural to assume > > that it was related with incompatible AX25 utils. > > Well, I don't find that very natural at all. There are million other > things that changed in the kernel between 2.0.x and 2.2.x. It's actually > much more probable that the problem is elsewhere. BUT, if you can show us > an Oops trace (symbols resolved) with something AX.25 related then we can > start debugging... > > > The old ones don't > > compile on a 2.2.x kernel (at least not the last time I tried) and > > neither did the new AX25 libs. I know that newer versions have been > > released that do compile on a RedHat system (the reason why they > > didn't compile earlier, weas RedHat related). > > Installing the new lib/tools/apps is very simple and there are now even > RPMs available. Anyway if the problem turns out to be this (old utils) > then it still is a kernel bug. No usermode application should be able to > crash the kernel, even a faulty one! That you just wrote, I haven't thought about actually. I'm still used to thing krashing when not 100% compatible. The point I wanted to make here, is that: I know that things that don't work will be fixed, and I'll wait till they are. Since I'm no kernel programmer and haven't read the kernel updates. Anyhow, isn't this a bit of raging on about somthing now ?? This has been discussed earlier. I will now go out and download the latest kernel and try out the new AXlibs. Thank's anyhow ! /Jocke! Democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. -- George Bernard Shaw
Re: Killing KIssattach Kills Linux!
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Tomi Manninen OH2BNS wrote: >On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Joachim Holst wrote: > >> > What makes you (two) think the crashing is caused by anything AX.25 >> > related? Do you see something AX.25 related in the Oops dump when it >> > happens? If so, what? Please give us something usable to work with. Find >> > the Oops in your system log and send it here for us to see or if your >> > machine freezes before anything gets written in the log then write the >> > Oops down and run it through ksymoops. >> >> From my side, it's a very loose guess. Since I didn't have this >> problem with older kernels 2.0.x and the old AX25 utils but I do now >> with new kernel and old AX25 utils, I found it quite natural to assume >> that it was related with incompatible AX25 utils. > >Well, I don't find that very natural at all. There are million other >things that changed in the kernel between 2.0.x and 2.2.x. It's actually >much more probable that the problem is elsewhere. BUT, if you can show us >an Oops trace (symbols resolved) with something AX.25 related then we can >start debugging... > >> The old ones don't >> compile on a 2.2.x kernel (at least not the last time I tried) and >> neither did the new AX25 libs. I know that newer versions have been >> released that do compile on a RedHat system (the reason why they >> didn't compile earlier, weas RedHat related). > >Installing the new lib/tools/apps is very simple and there are now even >RPMs available. Anyway if the problem turns out to be this (old utils) >then it still is a kernel bug. No usermode application should be able to >crash the kernel, even a faulty one! If i may stick my nose in, i would firstly take a _very_ close look at the way 2.2.x kernels are made, ie what you define in the # Console drivers I fell into this pitfall, i got oopses strange colors on my screen lockups you name it i had it. The answer is very easy RTFM /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/* I'm not saying thats your problem, but one which will cause you grief if its defined improperly, i know i was there had that and finaly redfaced got it all going. >-- >--- Tomi Manninen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / OH2BNS @ OH2RBI.FIN.EU --- -- Regards Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pa3gcu/
Re: Killing KIssattach Kills Linux!
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Joachim Holst wrote: > > What makes you (two) think the crashing is caused by anything AX.25 > > related? Do you see something AX.25 related in the Oops dump when it > > happens? If so, what? Please give us something usable to work with. Find > > the Oops in your system log and send it here for us to see or if your > > machine freezes before anything gets written in the log then write the > > Oops down and run it through ksymoops. > > From my side, it's a very loose guess. Since I didn't have this > problem with older kernels 2.0.x and the old AX25 utils but I do now > with new kernel and old AX25 utils, I found it quite natural to assume > that it was related with incompatible AX25 utils. Well, I don't find that very natural at all. There are million other things that changed in the kernel between 2.0.x and 2.2.x. It's actually much more probable that the problem is elsewhere. BUT, if you can show us an Oops trace (symbols resolved) with something AX.25 related then we can start debugging... > The old ones don't > compile on a 2.2.x kernel (at least not the last time I tried) and > neither did the new AX25 libs. I know that newer versions have been > released that do compile on a RedHat system (the reason why they > didn't compile earlier, weas RedHat related). Installing the new lib/tools/apps is very simple and there are now even RPMs available. Anyway if the problem turns out to be this (old utils) then it still is a kernel bug. No usermode application should be able to crash the kernel, even a faulty one! -- --- Tomi Manninen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / OH2BNS @ OH2RBI.FIN.EU ---
Re: Killing KIssattach Kills Linux!
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, you wrote: > On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Joachim Holst wrote: > > > > > Sometimes when I am killing kissattch, the computer just freezes and > > > > locks up. I have to do a cold reset to reboot it. Anyone else have this > > > > problem? > > > > > > I haven't experienced that but my Linux is giving Kernel Panic and > > > freezing a lot. > > > I'm using Kernel 2.2.13. I had the same problem with 2.2.12. I can have > > > it working a maximum of 3 days. Normally it crashes after 1 day. > > > > I'm running on kernel 2.2.5-15 (RedHat edition) and I have the same > > problme. I don't know why, but my guess is that it's some problem between > > ax-25-utils-21.1.42a-3 and the 2.2.x kernel series that I'm using. Don't > > know about the new ax25 libs though. > > What makes you (two) think the crashing is caused by anything AX.25 > related? Do you see something AX.25 related in the Oops dump when it > happens? If so, what? Please give us something usable to work with. Find > the Oops in your system log and send it here for us to see or if your > machine freezes before anything gets written in the log then write the > Oops down and run it through ksymoops. >From my side, it's a very loose guess. Since I didn't have this problem with older kernels 2.0.x and the old AX25 utils but I do now with new kernel and old AX25 utils, I found it quite natural to assume that it was related with incompatible AX25 utils. The old ones don't compile on a 2.2.x kernel (at least not the last time I tried) and neither did the new AX25 libs. I know that newer versions have been released that do compile on a RedHat system (the reason why they didn't compile earlier, weas RedHat related). I apolagize for adding to this thread (It seems that it has been discussed erlyer according to Richard Adams) but sometimes I dont have the time to check my mail everyday and it gets a lot to read in a while. Anyway, because I'm the only user on my machine and it's no server or anything other critical, I don't really bother with it. I practically don't use another OS than Linux an my machine is up 24h/day. The last time I rebooted my machine (2 days ago) due to my own lack of knowledge with X (didn't work the way I believe it should after I upgraded to KDE 1.1.2) I finally decided to do a WIN95 (reboot) I had an uptime of about 70 days. /Jocke! SM7XAB -- ... The free UNIX operating system :::' ... .. ::: * ::.::' ::: .:: .:.::. .:: .:: ::. :' ::: :: :: :: :: :: :::. ::: .::. .:: ::. . .:' ::. ..:::.::' ..
Re: Killing KIssattach Kills Linux!
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Joachim Holst wrote: > > > Sometimes when I am killing kissattch, the computer just freezes and > > > locks up. I have to do a cold reset to reboot it. Anyone else have this > > > problem? > > > > I haven't experienced that but my Linux is giving Kernel Panic and > > freezing a lot. > > I'm using Kernel 2.2.13. I had the same problem with 2.2.12. I can have > > it working a maximum of 3 days. Normally it crashes after 1 day. > > I'm running on kernel 2.2.5-15 (RedHat edition) and I have the same > problme. I don't know why, but my guess is that it's some problem between > ax-25-utils-21.1.42a-3 and the 2.2.x kernel series that I'm using. Don't > know about the new ax25 libs though. What makes you (two) think the crashing is caused by anything AX.25 related? Do you see something AX.25 related in the Oops dump when it happens? If so, what? Please give us something usable to work with. Find the Oops in your system log and send it here for us to see or if your machine freezes before anything gets written in the log then write the Oops down and run it through ksymoops. -- Tomi Manninen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OH2BNS AX.25: [EMAIL PROTECTED] KP20ME04Amprnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Killing KIssattach Kills Linux!
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Jorge Matias wrote: > On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Dustin McIntyre wrote: > > > Sometimes when I am killing kissattch, the computer just freezes and > > locks up. I have to do a cold reset to reboot it. Anyone else have this > > problem? > > I haven't experienced that but my Linux is giving Kernel Panic and > freezing a lot. > I'm using Kernel 2.2.13. I had the same problem with 2.2.12. I can have > it working a maximum of 3 days. Normally it crashes after 1 day. > I'm running on kernel 2.2.5-15 (RedHat edition) and I have the same problme. I don't know why, but my guess is that it's some problem between ax-25-utils-21.1.42a-3 and the 2.2.x kernel series that I'm using. Don't know about the new ax25 libs though. /Jocke! "Some people have told me they don't think a fat penguin really embodies the grace of Linux, which just tells me they have never seen a angry penguin charging at them in excess of 100MPH. They'd be a lot more careful about what they say if they had." -- Linus Torvalds, creator of Linux
Re: Killing KIssattach Kills Linux!
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Dustin McIntyre wrote: > Sometimes when I am killing kissattch, the computer just freezes and > locks up. I have to do a cold reset to reboot it. Anyone else have this > problem? I haven't experienced that but my Linux is giving Kernel Panic and freezing a lot. I'm using Kernel 2.2.13. I had the same problem with 2.2.12. I can have it working a maximum of 3 days. Normally it crashes after 1 day. Jorge Matias (CT2HBZ) > > RedHat 6 > Kernel 2.2.12 > > Thanks, > KE4PSD >
Re: Killing KIssattach Kills Linux!
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Dale L. Puckett wrote: >> From: Dustin McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sometimes when I am killing kissattch, the computer just freezes and >> locks up. I have to do a cold reset to reboot it. Anyone else have this >> problem? >> >> RedHat 6 >> Kernel 2.2.12 >> >> Thanks, >> KE4PSD >> >Dustin, I've noticed this also, several times when I was trying to shutdown >the various ax25 utilities manually. I also notice that when I do a >shutdown -r now ... that I always get a kernel panic and the system locks >up. > >Caldera 2.2 >All kernels from the 2.2.5 in the release to the 2.2.12 I've compiled. >Running apps 04, tools 05 and libax 07. I will try not to be rude, however it woild seem that so many people only send messages to this list when they have a problem themselfs and dont read any of the other messages, that we have a good example of here in this mail. 2.2.13 came out last week, 3@4 weeks before that there was a small discussion about this very subject being solved in one of the 2.2.13pre patches, by one of the leading linux ax25 maintainers, all that here on this list. There have been numours disscussons over the past months. Now to answer your question yes it will lock up but normaly only if there are ax25 or netrom connects at the time of killing kissattach, The bug has been there right from the start apparently, but only started poping up last year around 2.0.3X, now its finaly gone in 2.2.13. I suggest you either read more linux hams mails or take a look at the linux-hams-archive at; http://hes.iki.fi/archive/linux-hams And certanly retrive either a new full kernel source tree, or patch from your local linux mirror site. Of course if you recompile a new kernel 2.1.13 and you then find you still have that problem there are surely a lot of folks here who would like to know about it. > >Dale -- Regards Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pa3gcu/
Re: Killing KIssattach Kills Linux!
> From: Dustin McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sometimes when I am killing kissattch, the computer just freezes and > locks up. I have to do a cold reset to reboot it. Anyone else have this > problem? > > RedHat 6 > Kernel 2.2.12 > > Thanks, > KE4PSD > Dustin, I've noticed this also, several times when I was trying to shutdown the various ax25 utilities manually. I also notice that when I do a shutdown -r now ... that I always get a kernel panic and the system locks up. Caldera 2.2 All kernels from the 2.2.5 in the release to the 2.2.12 I've compiled. Running apps 04, tools 05 and libax 07. Dale
Killing KIssattach Kills Linux!
Sometimes when I am killing kissattch, the computer just freezes and locks up. I have to do a cold reset to reboot it. Anyone else have this problem? RedHat 6 Kernel 2.2.12 Thanks, KE4PSD
