Re: Stable kernel update
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > > I'm rather confused at the moment. Does this kernel contain the new > > Virtual Memory manager from Andrea Archangeli or does it use the > > original VM that was present in the older 2.4.x releases? > > The new one. Old one is deprecated officially (look at Redhat's Rawhide > kernel - 2.4.16) new one indeed, but heavily modified and extended by rik van riel, author of the original vm. you can find his patch posted periodically to the lkml mailing list under the heading 'rmap' [short for reverse mapping - mapping from pages in memory to the process that owns them]. here's what his latest announcement said: >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 15 09:36:57 2002 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:54:08 -0200 (BRST) From: Rik van Riel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PATCH *] rmap VM #11b The second maintenance release of the 11th version of the reverse mapping based VM is now available. This is an attempt at making a more robust and flexible VM subsystem, while cleaning up a lot of code at the same time. The patch is available from: http://surriel.com/patches/2.4/2.4.17-rmap-11b andhttp://linuxvm.bkbits.net/ > > I know that I could not get the IP-Noise kernel module to run on the AA > > VM, while it ran on the old VM flawlessly. > > Eww, donno... to me that would seem to point to bugs in your code, shlomi. as far as i understnad, IP-Noise should have no business with the vm, only using its exported interfaces. what exactly where the problems? [offlist if you'd like]. -- mulix http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~mulix/ http://syscalltrack.sf.net/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stable kernel update
> I'm rather confused at the moment. Does this kernel contain the new > Virtual Memory manager from Andrea Archangeli or does it use the > original VM that was present in the older 2.4.x releases? The new one. Old one is deprecated officially (look at Redhat's Rawhide kernel - 2.4.16) > I know that I could not get the IP-Noise kernel module to run on the AA > VM, while it ran on the old VM flawlessly. Eww, donno... Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stable kernel update
> i find your use of 2.4.18pre3-ac2 and 'stable' in the same sentance > amusing, if a bit oxymoronic, since that kernel has been out for all of > two days. maybe it does beautifully under stress, but what if it has a > hidden bug that causes it to degrade over time, so that in a week it's > unusable? [i doubt it, i'm running 2.4.18pre3-ac1 myself]. As a person who always loves to think that my machine can do what Sun E10K can do (just kidding) - I love to chalk it all the way - Graphics, network, sound, processor - all to be used extensively and parallel. Back then Redhat gave me an internal copy of 2.4.9-9 that they told me that have been passed their stress testing - well, it didn't pass my and thanks to Rik and Alan - it has been fixed. Of course I'm not trying to claim I'm better then Red Hat in testing, but I do have my own share of stress testing that I'm doing. It could fail to others of course (anyone wants to contribute a PC with 4GB of RAM machine for stress testing? I got an empty power outlet here ;) > that would be andre hedrick's ide stuff. it also contains rik van riel > and friends' latest vm work, rmap. read Alan's ChangeLog if you want to > know more. > > hetz, i'm glad this kernel is so stable for you. did you let lkml know? > or at least the developers themselves? I have been emailing back and forth between Alan Cox and me for the last 12 hours. > /me, who should stop reading lkml this mornign and start writing code. Yeah, and me to send another bunch of C.V's, make a real backup of my live system, and start playing with realtime scheduling a bit (1ms sounds good, compared to Windows 32ms).. Have a good day. Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stable kernel update
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > Hi People, > > After much more stress tests with the new VM (36 hours tests and rapid emails > swapping) I'm happy to announce: > > Kernel 2.4.17 + Marcello's pre3 + Alan Cox ac2 patch = kernel 2.4.18-pre3-ac2 > is the the most stable tests with the new VM, after 12 hours of heavy stress > testing (tests include: parallel compiling X + KDE + running OpenGL demos + > live file system backup).. > I'm rather confused at the moment. Does this kernel contain the new Virtual Memory manager from Andrea Archangeli or does it use the original VM that was present in the older 2.4.x releases? I know that I could not get the IP-Noise kernel module to run on the AA VM, while it ran on the old VM flawlessly. Regards, Shlomi Fish > So, if you want to compile it - then: > 1. grab kernel 2.4.17 > 2. grab kernel 2.4.18pre3 patches from v2.4/testings/patch-2.4.18-pre3.tar.gz > 3. grab Alan's AC2 patch > > Apply them all (first open the 2.4.17, then gzip -d & apply Marcello's patch, > then gzip & apply Alan's patch).. > > The above kernel got also support for 130+ GB hard drives (like Maxtor's new > ones) > > Thanks, > Hetz > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Let's suppose you have a table with 2^n cups..." "Wait a second - is n a natural number?" = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stable kernel update
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > Kernel 2.4.17 + Marcello's pre3 + Alan Cox ac2 patch = kernel > 2.4.18-pre3-ac2 is the the most stable tests with the new VM, after > 12 hours of heavy stress testing (tests include: parallel compiling > X + KDE + running OpenGL demos + live file system backup).. i find your use of 2.4.18pre3-ac2 and 'stable' in the same sentance amusing, if a bit oxymoronic, since that kernel has been out for all of two days. maybe it does beautifully under stress, but what if it has a hidden bug that causes it to degrade over time, so that in a week it's unusable? [i doubt it, i'm running 2.4.18pre3-ac1 myself]. > So, if you want to compile it - then: > 1. grab kernel 2.4.17 > 2. grab kernel 2.4.18pre3 patches from v2.4/testings/patch-2.4.18-pre3.tar.gz > 3. grab Alan's AC2 patch find it at ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/mirrors/kernel.org/linux/kernel/people/alan/linux-2.4/2.4.18/ > Apply them all (first open the 2.4.17, then gzip -d & apply Marcello's patch, > then gzip & apply Alan's patch).. no need to gzip. zcat does the job fine. newcomers to patch might want to pass to it the --dry-run option first, to verify the patch will apply cleanly. > The above kernel got also support for 130+ GB hard drives (like > Maxtor's new ones) that would be andre hedrick's ide stuff. it also contains rik van riel and friends' latest vm work, rmap. read Alan's ChangeLog if you want to know more. hetz, i'm glad this kernel is so stable for you. did you let lkml know? or at least the developers themselves? /me, who should stop reading lkml this mornign and start writing code. -- mulix http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~mulix/ http://syscalltrack.sf.net/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stable kernel update
Hi People, After much more stress tests with the new VM (36 hours tests and rapid emails swapping) I'm happy to announce: Kernel 2.4.17 + Marcello's pre3 + Alan Cox ac2 patch = kernel 2.4.18-pre3-ac2 is the the most stable tests with the new VM, after 12 hours of heavy stress testing (tests include: parallel compiling X + KDE + running OpenGL demos + live file system backup).. So, if you want to compile it - then: 1. grab kernel 2.4.17 2. grab kernel 2.4.18pre3 patches from v2.4/testings/patch-2.4.18-pre3.tar.gz 3. grab Alan's AC2 patch Apply them all (first open the 2.4.17, then gzip -d & apply Marcello's patch, then gzip & apply Alan's patch).. The above kernel got also support for 130+ GB hard drives (like Maxtor's new ones) Thanks, Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: file creation time
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Adi Stav wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 03:27:18PM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > On 14 Jan 2002, Erez Doron wrote: > > > > > hi > > > > > > when i do 'ls -l' , i get the file modification time > > > how do i get file creation time ? > > I don't think ls or any other tool can give you this information. > Creation time is not one of the metadata kept about files. Ext2fs or > Reiserfs might or might not have special features, but these would > be filesystem specific. > > man ls to see which time information you can receive, though. > > > Try using 'find' instead of 'ls'. The option -printf is very powerful. > > > > I'm not sure, though, how to list only the files in the current directory, > > and not in subdirectories. > > -maxdepth (nonportable, but then again so is -printf...) > > > For a light abuse of this feature of find, see > > http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/Packages/mk_index.sh > > Nice... That's not abuse, that's the cleanest way to do it in shell > CGI IMHO. Also check out the nonportable stat(1)... > Actually, Tzafrir's snippet may not work properly if the filename contains such characters as double-quotes, ampersands and other characters that confuse HTML. For intance: shlomif@comnet55:~# find \"hello\" -printf "\"%p\"\n" ""hello"" > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Let's suppose you have a table with 2^n cups..." "Wait a second - is n a natural number?" = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking to buy: cat5 cable + a crimping tool + RJ45 (male) connectors?
> Shaul, > Har Tzion street near Central Bus Station in T.A. has a number of a > small electronics shops which have everything you need, and at decent > prices (comparing to computer shops). You may want to shop there before > looking elsewhere. > > Haim. I was hopping to have it cheaper. From memory, the short phone poll gave the following: * Melay Eectronics, 91 Har Zion blvd, Tel-Aviv, 03-6881665: They were so expensive that I immediately removed any mental record for their prices. * Even electronics, 22 Har Zion blvd, Tel-Aviv, 03-5372172: cheap cat5 cable: 2 NIS/m; more quality one: 3 NIS/m. RJ45 plugs: 1 NIS per unit. Crimping tool: 140 NIS. He claims this is high quality tool which can also crimp RJ11 plugs. This shop is the only one in this short list that might have premade cables. * Simantov, Volfson 61 street, Tel-Aviv 03-5375002: cat5 cable: 4 NIS/m. RJ45 plugs: 0.40 NIS per unit. Crimping tool: Not selling this item. * RadioShack: Ayalon Mall, Ramat-Gan, 03-6199929: cat5 cable: packages of 100m cable length, each one costs 100 NIS. RJ45 plugs: are currently not in stock, should have them in a couple of weeks. Seller does not remember the former price. Crimping tool: Should get another shipment in a couple of weeks. Seller seems to remember that privuiosly the price was 45 NIS. I believe those prices are VAT excluded. > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shaul Karl > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 12:58 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Looking to buy: cat5 cable + a crimping tool + RJ45 > > (male) connectors? > > > > > > Networking hardware: > > Is there someone on this list who would like to sell me some of the > > above stuff? > > -- Shaul Karl email: shaulka(at-no-spam)bezeqint.net Please replace (at-no-spam) with an at - @ - character. (at-no-spam) is meant for unsolicitate mail senders only. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: file creation time
Hi,
On 14 Jan 2002, Erez Doron wrote:
> when i do 'ls -l' , i get the file modification time
> how do i get file creation time ?
In Linux, or in Unix in general, you can get all the information about a file
by the stat(2) function, and utilities like `ls' or `find' just use it. As you
can see from the manual of stat(2), which is pretty elaborate, file creation
time is not available. On each file or directory you have three times: atime --
time of last access, mtime -- time of last modification, ctime -- time of last
change. stat(2) explains exactly what each one means. For example, mtime is
changed when a file is written into, or a directory is modified by adding a
file into it. However it does not change e.g when the file mode (rwx) is
changed. ctime, however, will change in either case. Again, you can read in
stat(2) exactly what is available, and either ls or find will print it for you
if you wish. But, file creation time is not available, and once the file is
modified, the creation ("initial modification") is lost.
However, while writing this reply, I found out that the
header file has the structure of the inode on the disk, and the time fields it
has are
__u32 i_atime;/* Access time */
__u32 i_ctime;/* Creation time */
__u32 i_mtime;/* Modification time */
__u32 i_dtime;/* Deletion Time */
I don't have any information about these, and how to access them. If somebody
can enlighten us, I'll be grateful.
Kol tuv,
Zvi.
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Re: solved: was Re: file creation time
Is it true to all FS or just the ext2,3 ? -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 http://sites.canaan.co.il -- - Original Message - From: "Erez Doron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ilug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: solved: was Re: file creation time > solved > > there is no way to see creation time only change time (ctime) and access > time (atime) > > the command is : > > ls -l --time=ctime ( or --time=atime) > > regards > erez. > > On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 15:47, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > On 14 Jan 2002, Erez Doron wrote: > > > > > > when i do 'ls -l' , i get the file modification time > > > > how do i get file creation time ? > > > > > Try using 'find' instead of 'ls'. The option -printf is very > > > powerful. > > > > Can you elaborate? The find info pages say > > > >Each file has three time stamps, which record the last time that > >certain operations were performed on the file: > > > > 1. access (read the file's contents) > > 2. change the status (modify the file or its attributes) > > 3. modify (change the file's contents) > > > > There is no "creation" filestamp, IIRC, struct inode only has atime, > > ctime, and mtime, as above. Gurus, please confirm or deny? > > > > > I'm not sure, though, how to list only the files in the current directory, > > > and not in subdirectories. > > > > Check the -mindepth, -maxdepth options of find. > > > > -- > > Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "If it ain't broken, it has not got enough features yet." > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
solved: was Re: file creation time
solved there is no way to see creation time only change time (ctime) and access time (atime) the command is : ls -l --time=ctime ( or --time=atime) regards erez. On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 15:47, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On 14 Jan 2002, Erez Doron wrote: > > > > when i do 'ls -l' , i get the file modification time > > > how do i get file creation time ? > > > Try using 'find' instead of 'ls'. The option -printf is very > > powerful. > > Can you elaborate? The find info pages say > >Each file has three time stamps, which record the last time that >certain operations were performed on the file: > > 1. access (read the file's contents) > 2. change the status (modify the file or its attributes) > 3. modify (change the file's contents) > > There is no "creation" filestamp, IIRC, struct inode only has atime, > ctime, and mtime, as above. Gurus, please confirm or deny? > > > I'm not sure, though, how to list only the files in the current directory, > > and not in subdirectories. > > Check the -mindepth, -maxdepth options of find. > > -- > Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "If it ain't broken, it has not got enough features yet." = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: file creation time
Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 14 Jan 2002, Erez Doron wrote: > > when i do 'ls -l' , i get the file modification time > > how do i get file creation time ? > Try using 'find' instead of 'ls'. The option -printf is very > powerful. Can you elaborate? The find info pages say Each file has three time stamps, which record the last time that certain operations were performed on the file: 1. access (read the file's contents) 2. change the status (modify the file or its attributes) 3. modify (change the file's contents) There is no "creation" filestamp, IIRC, struct inode only has atime, ctime, and mtime, as above. Gurus, please confirm or deny? > I'm not sure, though, how to list only the files in the current directory, > and not in subdirectories. Check the -mindepth, -maxdepth options of find. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "If it ain't broken, it has not got enough features yet." = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using ld with automake
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Itay Meiri wrote: > Hi, > > Any one knows how to cause automake to use > GNU ld instead of 'ar'? > I replaced AC_PROG_RANLIB with AC_PROG_LIBTOOL > and changed all LIBRARIES primaries to LTLIBRARIES as > well as calling ./configure with --with-gnu-ld. Nothing worked. What exactly happens? I don't know automake, but libtool should not come instead of ar. It should come *before* it. The command that you should run is: libtool ld Use 'make -n' to see what exactly gets called. -- Tzafrir Cohen/"\ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Taub 229, 972-4-829-3942, X Against HTML Mail http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir / \ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: file creation time
On 14 Jan 2002, Erez Doron wrote: > hi > > when i do 'ls -l' , i get the file modification time > how do i get file creation time ? Try using 'find' instead of 'ls'. The option -printf is very powerful. I'm not sure, though, how to list only the files in the current directory, and not in subdirectories. For a light abuse of this feature of find, see http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/Packages/mk_index.sh -- Tzafrir Cohen/"\ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Taub 229, 972-4-829-3942, X Against HTML Mail http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir / \ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RFC: kapm-idled
Hi I only recently started using kernel 2.4, and only this morning bothered to find out what is this strange "kapm-idled" process that takes so much of my CPU time. Finding this was a mere google search for "kapm-idled", but anyway, I thought that this should appear in the FAQ: http://www.iglu.org.il/faq/cache/172.html Is that correct? Any comments? Specifically: it is a bug of a process manager to report kapm-idled's CPU time as the time in which the CPU is busy. The two I use are qps (1.9.7) and top (of procps 2.0.7 from Mandrake 8.1), and both of them have reported the time used by kapm-ideld as busy time. -- Tzafrir Cohen/"\ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Taub 229, 972-4-829-3942, X Against HTML Mail http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir / \ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
file creation time
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Using ld with automake
Hi, Any one knows how to cause automake to use GNU ld instead of 'ar'? I replaced AC_PROG_RANLIB with AC_PROG_LIBTOOL and changed all LIBRARIES primaries to LTLIBRARIES as well as calling ./configure with --with-gnu-ld. Nothing worked. ? - Etay Meiri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "When all else fails, use brute force" Ken Thompson = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
in my experience, TED reads English RTF, cheers, avraham >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/14/02 10:32am >>> Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What about RTF? Let me repeat my question: what tools can read/write RTF (English) under Linux? StarOffice does, and KWord doesn't, AFAIK. Anything *but* SO? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "If it ain't broken, it has not got enough features yet." = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > now search freshmeat for more :) I wonder if this is worthwhile. You gave a rather long list of tools that don't do what I asked. Given that latex2rtf and rtf2latex don't work at all (last time I checked - a few months ago - their documentation even warned about it, and I verified that by installing and trying them), the only stuff to check is abiword and ted... Thanks, -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "If it ain't broken, it has not got enough features yet." = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
On 14 Jan 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > What about RTF? > > Let me repeat my question: what tools can read/write RTF (English) > under Linux? StarOffice does, and KWord doesn't, AFAIK. Anything *but* > SO? looks like more things convert to rather than from, but here's a short list I got you without even passing the IPstack doorstep into the web... [ira@bonobo ~]$ apt-cache search rtf abiword - WYSIWYG word processor based on GTK. beancounter - A stock portfolio performance monitoring tool docbook-dsssl - Modular DocBook DSSSL stylesheets, for print and HTML docbook-utils - Convert Docbook files to other formats (HTML, RTF, Postscript, PDF) enscript - Converts ASCII text to Postscript, HTML, RTF or Pretty-Print gnome-pm - GNOME stock portfolio manager jade - James Clark's DSSSL Engine latex2rtf - Convert LaTeX to Microsoft RTF format librtf-document-perl - Perl extension for generating Rich Text (RTF) Files linuxdoc-tools - SGML converters for the LinuxDoc DTD only. openjade - Implementation of the DSSSL language robodoc - A program documentation tool. rtf2htm - RTF to HTML converter that supports tables, fonts and images rtf2latex - Convert RTF files to LaTeX scite - Lightweight GTK-based Programming Editor sdf - Simple Document Parser sdf-doc - Documentation and examples for the Simple Document Parser sgmltools-lite - convert DocBook SGML source into HTML using DSSSL ted - Graphical RTF (Rich Text Format) editor, lesstif version ted-common - common files used by ted and ted-gtk troffcvt - Converts troff source to HTML, RTF, and plain text. xpw - the Pathetic Writer word-processor now search freshmeat for more :) -- (@-Please do NOT cc: me answers posted also to the list //\Send me private mail at v_/_ to send me spam please use: cat spam.txt > /dev/hda = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What about RTF? Let me repeat my question: what tools can read/write RTF (English) under Linux? StarOffice does, and KWord doesn't, AFAIK. Anything *but* SO? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "If it ain't broken, it has not got enough features yet." = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
