RE: YOM IYOON?
On Comdex will short presentation about UNIX/LINUX from Hi-Tech College : http://www.hi-tech.co.il/computax/ . And generally IBM, HP Compaq run LINUX Yom Iyoon once a year. HP last one was 19.12.2001 and Compaq's 26.12.2001. Vitaly = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mounting iso9660 as rw
This may sound odd at first, and useless later, but I would like to add some files to a iso9660 filesystem. To be more exact, I have an iso of a CD and would like to update it with my own stuff. I tried to loop-mount it with rw option and even have /c/redhat/valhalla-i386-disc3.iso on /rh73/d3 type iso9660 (rw,loop=/dev/loop2) in my mount output. However, when I try to write inside /rh73/d3 I keep getting Read-only file system message. I think I could copy all the files from the iso, and my own, and rebuild the whole bunch, but I just don't like the idea. Any other suggestions? Am I missing a fundamental of loop/iso9660 that prevents this from happening? Dan. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mounting iso9660 as rw
On Mon, May 27, 2002, Dan Kenigsberg wrote about mounting iso9660 as rw: This may sound odd at first, and useless later, but I would like to add some files to a iso9660 filesystem. .. I think I could copy all the files from the iso, and my own, and rebuild the whole bunch, but I just don't like the idea. Any other suggestions? Am I missing a fundamental of loop/iso9660 that prevents this from happening? I'm not familiar with the details of the iso9660 filesystem, so maybe somebody who is can correct me, but here is my guess: making a iso9660 filesystem modifiable means you have to handle non-contiguous files; When enlarging an existing file, or when deleting one file and adding another file of different size or several files, you would get non-contiguous files. This will mean you need to have some sort of structures in the filesystem which point from one block in some file to the next block in that file. normal filesystems have that, of course, but I'm not sure iso9660 does, seeing that it was always meant only for writing once using a utility like mkisofs(8) (but as I said, maybe I'm wrong). Correct me if I'm wrong, but even CD-RW were meant for *rewriting* the whole disk, not for changing a single file on the CD (note that there's also the notion of a session on the CD, but I don't think that that would help you). Maybe someone can recommend (or google) a good document about the iso9660 filesystem. -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, May 27 2002, 16 Sivan 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Martin Luther King said I have a dream, http://nadav.harel.org.il |not I have a plan. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: YOM IYOON?
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 09:19, Karasik, Vitaly wrote: I would like to ask if someone knows about up-coming YOM IYOON regarding Linux, and specially Linux in Israel, Linux in desktop, etc... [ rant about hostile media deleted ] So, is there? if not - is there some company who think it can arrange something like this? (IBM? Sun? others?) Why wait for a company? Let's do it ourselves. Remember that film about Linux (Revoloution OS) we discussed the other day? Well, I made some queries and we can get the Cinematec small theather for 2 hours on some Friday for 2,000NIS. Probably can get it for 3 hours for 2,500NIS or less if we want to. The movie screening rights (one time for Linux freaks) is 400$ ~ 2000NIS. Which means we already got a place and 1 interesting activity. So, let's add two or three intresting talks and call it Yom Iyoon. Whomever covers the theater costs gets to be called Official Sponser and the right to present a talk about his favorite marketing hype^H^H^H^H^H^Hinteresting subject. Whomevers covers the costs of the movie screening gets to be called Official Sponser and the right to shoiwer marketing maetrials on all participants. Compaq/Ligad, Aduva and Eli Marmor gets first refusal rights for the above rolls thanks to their previous generous donations to IGLU activities. Anyone else who contrinuted something and I've missed gets the same right as long as he or she promises not to open a long thread about it on linux-il... ;-) Actcom get to be official ISP and have a booth at the place because they finance the IGLU server and mirrors and because I like them ;-) Which leaves us in need for two intersting talks (assuming one will be presented by one of the official sponsors) Personally, I would very much like these to to be highly technical discussions. Maybe the IBM team that did the OpenOffice Hebrewivisation can present a talk about the technical challanges and solution of this? Comments? anyone here interested or am I the only mad man here? ;-) I think the timing now is important since MS is going to change their license to MS License version 6, and by switching some of the servers/services to Linux could save lots of money to companies and can encourage companies to test/adopt/deploy Linux.. sigh When will you stop seeing everything through the narrow view of 'beating MS'? Who cares? they are simply irrelvent. We like Linux, which mean we'll enjoying organiing a day talking about Linux, why do we need anything more? Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Code mangler, senior coffee drinker and VP SIGSEGV Qlusters ltd. A billion flies _can_ be wrong - I'd rather eat lamb chops than shit. -- Linus Torvalds on lkml = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mounting iso9660 as rw
here are some leads, maybe you should try using a burning software to do 3 possible things: a) try to just treat it as .iso file and add files to it with it (of course you will need a software that support iso9660 image files). b) here is some crazy idea, try to burn a session onto it as if it was a cdr media. i wonder if it will work. c) read alon altman old lecture files from iglu's archives. swift reading revealed some clues. try to read README.multi in cdrecord. here is the link: http://linuxclub.il.eu.org/lectures/30/ hope it helps, Power to the pinguin!=penguin (Babylon English-English) n. black and white aquatic bird which cannot fly (which makes you wonder why we bother). * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax (+1 Outside the US) 240-597-3213 My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Kenigsberg Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: mounting iso9660 as rw This may sound odd at first, and useless later, but I would like to add some files to a iso9660 filesystem. To be more exact, I have an iso of a CD and would like to update it with my own stuff. I tried to loop-mount it with rw option and even have /c/redhat/valhalla-i386-disc3.iso on /rh73/d3 type iso9660 (rw,loop=/dev/loop2) in my mount output. However, when I try to write inside /rh73/d3 I keep getting Read-only file system message. I think I could copy all the files from the iso, and my own, and rebuild the whole bunch, but I just don't like the idea. Any other suggestions? Am I missing a fundamental of loop/iso9660 that prevents this from happening? Dan. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mounting iso9660 as rw
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tzahi Fadida Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 1:30 PM To: Dan Kenigsberg Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: mounting iso9660 as rw here are some leads, maybe you should try using a burning software to do 3 possible things: a) try to just treat it as .iso file and add files to it with it (of course you will need a software that support iso9660 image files). b) here is some crazy idea, try to burn a session onto it as if it was a cdr media. i wonder if it will work. c) read alon altman old lecture files from iglu's archives. correction: ment haifux(all credits due), appologies to all invloved :) swift reading revealed some clues. try to read README.multi in cdrecord. here is the link: http://linuxclub.il.eu.org/lectures/30/ hope it helps, Power to the pinguin!=penguin (Babylon English-English) n. black and white aquatic bird which cannot fly (which makes you wonder why we bother). * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax (+1 Outside the US) 240-597-3213 My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Kenigsberg Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: mounting iso9660 as rw This may sound odd at first, and useless later, but I would like to add some files to a iso9660 filesystem. To be more exact, I have an iso of a CD and would like to update it with my own stuff. I tried to loop-mount it with rw option and even have /c/redhat/valhalla-i386-disc3.iso on /rh73/d3 type iso9660 (rw,loop=/dev/loop2) in my mount output. However, when I try to write inside /rh73/d3 I keep getting Read-only file system message. I think I could copy all the files from the iso, and my own, and rebuild the whole bunch, but I just don't like the idea. Any other suggestions? Am I missing a fundamental of loop/iso9660 that prevents this from happening? Dan. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] == To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YOM IYOON?
On Monday 27 May 2002 10:03, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 09:19, Karasik, Vitaly wrote: I would like to ask if someone knows about up-coming YOM IYOON regarding Linux, and specially Linux in Israel, Linux in desktop, etc... [ rant about hostile media deleted ] So, is there? if not - is there some company who think it can arrange something like this? (IBM? Sun? others?) Why wait for a company? Let's do it ourselves. Remember that film about Linux (Revoloution OS) we discussed the other day? The Yom Iyoon that I was thinking was more toward the non-Linux people - companies who runs most of their servers under Windows - to ask their sys admins/IT directors/menahel maarchot meida - to come and hear and see whats its all about, see how can they save (and maybe an estimation).. I wasn't thinking a Yom Iyoon from Linux companies to Linux-using-companies, there are few of those... Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YOM IYOON?
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 18:39, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: The Yom Iyoon that I was thinking was more toward the non-Linux people - companies who runs most of their servers under Windows - to ask their sys admins/IT directors/menahel maarchot meida - to come and hear and see whats its all about, see how can they save (and maybe an estimation).. I wasn't thinking a Yom Iyoon from Linux companies to Linux-using-companies, there are few of those... Heo? are there any other humans left on list? anyone? anyone? Bueler? Hot damn! the entire linux-il have been turned into mindless corporate drones... Companies? we are talking about PEOPLE. You know, Homo Sapiens (well, Almost Sapiens would be more apropriate term but I digress...), those funny monkey descendents that used to hang here before? Sheesh... beam me up Scotty, it seems there are no inteligent life forms here anymore, just companies. Hetz, we met a couple of times and I could swear that the person that gladly took apart his machine (not to mention lose the uptime ;-) to supply my friend with a IDE cable that we needed to fix our machine in that machine room at ISDN.net machine room was human and did that because he was a nice person and not because it served to protect the competative advantage of the legal fiction that happend to be paying him money to hack at the time. Now who are you and what have you done with him? Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Code mangler, senior coffee drinker and VP SIGSEGV Qlusters ltd. A billion flies _can_ be wrong - I'd rather eat lamb chops than shit. -- Linus Torvalds on lkml = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YOM IYOON?
On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 01:03:17PM +0300, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 09:19, Karasik, Vitaly wrote: I would like to ask if someone knows about up-coming YOM IYOON regarding Linux, and specially Linux in Israel, Linux in desktop, etc... [ rant about hostile media deleted ] So, is there? if not - is there some company who think it can arrange something like this? (IBM? Sun? others?) Why wait for a company? Let's do it ourselves. Remember that film about Linux (Revoloution OS) we discussed the other day? Wheee! excellent idea! a chance to meet in person, discuss cool stuff and watch a documentary on penguins and penguin afficiandos. I volunteer to speak about anything at all, as long as it can be expressed in a programming language of your choice, if no one who's a less boring speaker wants to. Let's set a date and get the ball rolling. -- Highday 5 Forelithe 7466 http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~mulix/ http://syscalltrack.sf.net/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YOM IYOON?
Looks like I forgot to CC this to the list and it went to Hetz alone :) Here we go again: Yes, that's what I want to see too. If we'll organize a Linux day then it shouldn't be a bunch of Linux users talking to a bunch of Linux users. We should use it to promote Linux between the people that don't yet use it. Can linux help you as an Engineer? If yes, then get someone who uses Linux to tell how can it be used instead of a MS platform for Engineering purposes. Can Linux help you as an accountant? Show that too. Show people how IBM, Compaq, SUN and other companies help Linux in Israel and how can these people benefit from moving to Linux and using these products. Show how can Linux be used in education. Linux is used in the IDF, perhaps we can get someone to talk about that too (non classified uses) . In general, the idea is to promote Linux among people who don't know it. It'll take more than 2-3 hours, but why can't we have a linux DAY? lets say from 9AM to 2-4PM. -Peleg. At 15:39 27/05/2002 +, you wrote: On Monday 27 May 2002 10:03, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 09:19, Karasik, Vitaly wrote: I would like to ask if someone knows about up-coming YOM IYOON regarding Linux, and specially Linux in Israel, Linux in desktop, etc... [ rant about hostile media deleted ] So, is there? if not - is there some company who think it can arrange something like this? (IBM? Sun? others?) Why wait for a company? Let's do it ourselves. Remember that film about Linux (Revoloution OS) we discussed the other day? The Yom Iyoon that I was thinking was more toward the non-Linux people - companies who runs most of their servers under Windows - to ask their sys admins/IT directors/menahel maarchot meida - to come and hear and see whats its all about, see how can they save (and maybe an estimation).. I wasn't thinking a Yom Iyoon from Linux companies to Linux-using-companies, there are few of those... Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YOM IYOON?
Why wait for a company? Let's do it ourselves. Remember that film about Linux (Revoloution OS) we discussed the other day? Wheee! excellent idea! a chance to meet in person, discuss cool stuff and watch a documentary on penguins and penguin afficiandos. I volunteer to speak about anything at all, as long as it can be expressed in a programming language of your choice, if no one who's a less boring speaker wants to. Let's set a date and get the ball rolling. Hmm, so it's a meeting between Linux people.. nice... If I remember correctly, Sun at Herzelia Pituach had a nice place for meetings, although I'm not sure at that. I do think that IBM Israel have something like that, and Aduva had (when I was working there) a nice meetings room - any one from those companies can check if his company can contribute their place for a day meeting? And speaking of meeting - please read my next email which will arrive to you in 5 minutes. Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Elections
People, I think it's time to do some elections... We need an IGLU president, a finance officer, and an official representitive/spokeman who can talk to the media... I'm not putting all the details here in this email since I myself don't have experience in maintaining such a thing like this - so I would like to ask from someone who have/has/had experience - to reply and give details... Thanks, Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YOM IYOON?
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 18:28, Peleg Wasserman wrote: Yes, that's what I want to see too. If we'll organize a Linux day then it shouldn't be a bunch of Linux users talking to a bunch of Linux users. We OK. I can agree that an event such as we are talking about is not needed for this alone, but how about: a couple of experts talking about their areas of experties involving Linux? Linux people can learn HOW to to do stuff they weren't aware can be done before and non-Linux people can come to be impressed from WHAT can be done with Linux. should use it to promote Linux between the people that don't yet use it. Can linux help you as an Engineer? If yes, then get someone who uses Linux to tell how can it be used instead of a MS platform for Engineering purposes. Can Linux help you as an accountant? Show that too. Show people how IBM, Compaq, SUN and other companies help Linux in Israel and how can these people benefit from moving to Linux and using these products. OK, how about something like this for a 'working draft schedule' of such a day. This is just an example to try and show that we can combine the 'sides': 0. A short introduction to Linux from the perpective of someone who does not know much about Linux that explains what it is, who we are, where to go to learn more. During this introduction Linux-people can be outside (well except the speaker ;-) mingeling. 1. 'Official' opening. Say thanks to our sponsors and oteh rniceties. 2. A lecure by a representative of one of our sponsors, which will include a brief general introduction to the full range of Linux products and services it offers and then a longer and more technical focus on one or two of them, preferbly something new that is not very known in teh general Linux using crowd. non-Linuxers will get to know that the sponsor supports Linux and learn a little about it's offering while Linux people will learn something new too. 3. A lecture from the Hebrew porting team in IBM that will describe the porting effort of OpenOffice adn Mozzila. it would be best if the talk will include both technical details (giving some light on how difficult or easy is is to Hebrewvise Linux software, for the benefit for both Linux old timers and the non Linux croewd) *and* the more business side of the whole deal - why, for example, IBM has chosen to invest money on adding hebrew support to products that seemingly belong to two other companies, (Sun and AOL), which will shed some light on the kind of synergic proccesses happening inside the Linux community (for a definition of this community that includes open source and free software at large of course) that help to drive Linux development faster then any other path and what does this can mean to people using people (this is mainly a Linux marketing bit, but it focuses on a specific exmaple that serves to explain a very fundemental thing about Linux which is usually missed on new comers) 4. A lecture by, for example, your truly about building embdded systems using Linux. Again, maintain a good mix of both technical details (what you need to do, problems and how to overcome them, some examples) that will help the people familier with Linux but not with embedded and at the same time say some stuff about why Linux?, how does *this* issue is handled in Linux (e.g. real time) etc. that will cater more to the embedded savvy but non Linux crowd. 5. Screening of Revolution OS. A chance for us to sing along with the GNU/Stallmans the Free software song and for the non linux people to get to know who and what we are. OK... I think you've got the idea. In general, the idea is to promote Linux among people who don't know it. Well, if we can also combine this (and I think we can) with learning something new about Linux and having fun, I'm all for it. A simply sell sell sell marketing event I don't want to attent or help organise and I have serious doubt will even do much good. Remember we're doing this for fun, kids. It'll take more than 2-3 hours, but why can't we have a linux DAY? lets say from 9AM to 2-4PM. heheh.. big eyes you got Peleg, no? That's ok, just let's make sure we can also swallow. Organizing these things is a LOT of headache. I know, I've helped do a few of them in the past. Gilad. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 20:41, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: I think it's time to do some elections... We need an IGLU president, a finance officer, and an official representitive/spokeman who can talk to the media... I hereby nominate Marc Volovic for spokeperson! I think only He can take Buzzword compliant (TM) to a new level (how do you say infintly scalable in Anglo-Saxon? ;-) Besides, he can actually say horrible things about the audience and the media but do it in such a way that the dumb fucks don't udnerstand. According to my observations this is a sure fire way for instant success. Don't believe me? just watch Dudu Topaz show once... Seroiously Hetz, I've tried this before. I tried to turn IGLU into an Amuta (which basically means all that you're saying). It failed and now I understand that it was wrong to try then. Let's *DO* things first and then when we'll see that not having a formal body blocks us from *DOING* stuff (as opposed to talking about doing stuff) then will be the Right Time(tm)to do this. Up till now I haven't seen this happening, so all this is just overhead (just think of all the flame wars that will arise from internal politics). And another thing - if we do it my way, the right people to be handed the jobs you described will become obvious because they will be the ones doing the stuff anyway... right now elections will be nothing more then a pissing contest. Just my 2c, Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Code mangler, senior coffee drinker and VP SIGSEGV Qlusters ltd. A billion flies _can_ be wrong - I'd rather eat lamb chops than shit. -- Linus Torvalds on lkml = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
Hmm, do we have any nominees for such a thing? Do *you* want to be the IGLU president? And what does being the IGLU president actually means? Do you get an increased quota on the linux.org.il machine and get to decide which distribution gets deleted when the mirror disk gets full? finance officer? To run which finances, exactly? Nominees - well, I was hoping that people would suggest themselves as nominees.. Do I want to become IGLU president? no, and I think a person who fits is one who have a long history with Linux Unix, was on this list for quite a long time, and done before some management work - after all, this is a title and this person would be interviewed in case the media wants to ask questions about Linux... If there's something that I want to become - is a spokeman - to answer the media about questions, and work with the elected president to setup IGLU meetings, etc... Why a finance officer? because I do want to approach companies who's using Linux to make a revenue, and ask for some money and/or hardware contributions. Today, to setup an IGLU meetings we practically need to beg for favors from companies and when you get the place, you need to buy stuff like kibood, get accessories (Audio stuff, maybe a projector). Also, it would allow us to buy some hardware (like hard drives) for the IGLU server and maybe even add few more servers, add some hosting on other ISP's, etc.. What's wrong with continuing to run IGLU as an anarchy? Nothing is wrong, but I think it's time we have an organized Linux users group (like SVLUG - only smaller)... Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OO: rpm libc error
-- a href=http://www.rootshell.be/~eg;Eliran/a The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner. -- Report of the Subcommittee On The Constitution of the Committee On The Judiciary, United States Senate, 97th Congress, second session (February, 1982), SuDoc# Y4.J 89/2: Ar 5/5 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
On Monday 27 May 2002 15:53, Ely Levy wrote: what with you latly? we got along just fine so far and now you want to make it some sucky official thing? Whats with me lately? Nothing much, just thinking that Linux movement in Israel should get a step further - with things like: Get some money from the goverment, get some funding for Hebrew applications development on Linux - stuff like that.. Get some Linux publicity with the business world, and in the media (TV, Radio [like Inter-bet], papers)... Whats wrong with that? Again and again - if people are so against it - then fine, we'll do it (the people that want this) anyway and other could join.. Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
Read the Amuta documentation - you need to tell them which people are which (manager, financial officer, address - those are the minimum) - and thats why I asked about elections... Hetz On Monday 27 May 2002 15:56, Ely Levy wrote: as Bar-Yosef said..lets so things and then argue about leadership. Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 27 May 2002 15:45, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Search TFA(rchives) - some of the amuta discussions were online, and some people with experience in running amutot voiced their thoughts and arguments pro and contra. What gives you the against? Well, Hetz, will you please try and search that archives for both the against and the for? There were enough points against for a group of fairly intelligent people (unless we all got significantly smarter with the years) to reject the idea repeatedly. Now, I am not saying I am against, and I am hereby publicly stating that I am willing to start paying reasonable membership dues until I find out that the amuta is not worth it for one reason or another, but given the history of this idea I think we should first go over the reasons why it was rejected in the past, and verify that the reasons are no longer valid, or that there are now more arguments pro that outweigh the arguments contra, and understand what has changed. Whoever takes this task upon him/herself and succeeds will be automatically nominated (not necessarily elected) the President. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it aint't broken it hasn't got enough features yet. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Elections
Get some money from the goverment, get some funding for Hebrew applications development on Linux - stuff like that.. this might be a good time to do that - as you've probably read, the government is considering funding hebrew open source projects. http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-1904994,00.html and speaking of funding - the yom iyoon that is being discussed on a separate thread can actually be an IGLU fund raising event. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
Well, Hetz, will you please try and search that archives for both the against and the for? There were enough points against for a group of fairly intelligent people (unless we all got significantly smarter with the years) to reject the idea repeatedly. I will look later (my machine is half basted with 2 kernel panics, trying to find out why).. Now, I am not saying I am against, and I am hereby publicly stating that I am willing to start paying reasonable membership dues until I find out that the amuta is not worth it for one reason or another, but given the history of this idea I think we should first go over the reasons why it was rejected in the past, and verify that the reasons are no longer valid, or that there are now more arguments pro that outweigh the arguments contra, and understand what has changed. I'm NOT ASKING anyone personally to contribute a SINGLE shekel! I'm talking about goverment funding the amuta + contributions from companies to operate this. Whoever takes this task upon him/herself and succeeds will be automatically nominated (not necessarily elected) the President. I am planning to submit documents soon enough (I will co-ordinate it with some people here first - and thats why I wanted some elections to get some names to put on paper) Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
Quoth Hetz Ben Hamo: Centimeters close actually - in Aduva) I think Marc can (if he wants) help IGLU formality a lot. Think about an interview with Marc on Globes I am willing, as I said. I am NOT sure what I am willing to do (or, indeed, can - I am old and fat). Let's? People are either cheap (kamtzanim) or butt-lazy (how many people here got some spare hard drives which they can contribute? quite a lot - and if we could collect them - we could make a nice RAID from them - just hypothetically). I have a 14GB ATA drive I am willing to contribute. I am willing to contributes some hardware and I am willing to look for more, asking around dead companies and live friends. Marc = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RH7.3 HOWTOs
Am I the only one who is upset at RH7.3 doc. iso image missing the HOWTOs? Arie Folger -- It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable. -- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YOM IYOON?
Quoth Peleg Wasserman: Linux is used in the IDF, perhaps we can get someone to talk about that too (non classified uses) . I am significantly AGAINST this particular aspect. Assisting a military organisation is non-productive and, worse, anti-moral. However, everything else - I am for. Linux in education is an excellent idea of yours. Linux in multimedia production (not only back-end crunching but also blender and company - anyone here knows anything about that?) M = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
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KDE RPMS for RH7.3
I noticed that RH did not compile KDE 3.0.1 rpms. Is it possible to upgrade from RH7.3 KDE3.0.0 rpms to Madrake KDE 3.0.1 rpms without problems? Arie Folger -- It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable. -- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
Quoth Nadav Har'El: Regarding government funds - not only does this idea disturbs me personally (now is the time for our government to spend LESS, not MORE money), but I don't see what exactly we're trying to achieve. Yes! I am in favour of this! Getting money out of our crooked government into the hands of us honest people is a VERY good idea. Or, to be more precise, to get some of OUR money that our stupid government has been funneling into making Nablus Jewish! Now is the time to set that amuta up and run it. To get 5,000 shekels needed for a movie and food, you don't need government (or corporate) funds, just collecting 50 shekels from every viewer is Agreed. enough. To get 500,000 shekels needed to pay someone to work full-time I nominate Hetz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OO: rpm libc error
Hello group, I have finally managed to get Open Office. I got both debs and rpms + the libstlport4.5.gcc3-4.5.3-5.i386.rpm. When tried to install the package (rpm -ivh) I got a dependencies message about GCC_3 and stuff, so I inserted my RH7.2 CD and installed the appropriate rpms from both installation CD's. After installing all the required packages I left with one dependency: error: failed dependencies: libc.so.6(GCC_3.0) is needed by bidi-openoffice.org-1.0.0-5 I looked for glibc and libc (or libcap in the cd's) but these versions were already installed, and gcc3 was installed too. Before a minute I downloaded glibc-2.2.5-34.i386.rpm which suppose to come with RH7.3 (from rpmfind.net) and in the html information file I saw it *provides*: libc.so.6 When trying to install this glibc I see it needs glibc-common which is 10 M ! (not enough bandwidth for it) Is it really important for me to download these ? In OO installation HTML file (downloaded from IGLU too) it says that it successfully compiled on RH7.1 , did other rpms required installation too ? Regards, Eliran -- a href=http://www.rootshell.be/~eg;Eliran/a I replaced the headlights on my car with strobe lights. Now it looks like I'm the only one moving. -- Stephen Wright On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 06:37:06PM +0300, Eliran wrote: -- a href=http://www.rootshell.be/~eg;Eliran/a The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner. -- Report of the Subcommittee On The Constitution of the Committee On The Judiciary, United States Senate, 97th Congress, second session (February, 1982), SuDoc# Y4.J 89/2: Ar 5/5 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- a href=http://www.rootshell.be/~eg;Eliran/a A man with a gun is a citizen. A man without a gun is a subject. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE RPMS for RH7.3
No, they're totally different... Give me a week (god, looking for a job and doing shit shmira job reduces willingness a lot) and I'll try to rebuild 3.0.1 for RH 7.3 Hetz On Monday 27 May 2002 16:45, Arie Folger wrote: I noticed that RH did not compile KDE 3.0.1 rpms. Is it possible to upgrade from RH7.3 KDE3.0.0 rpms to Madrake KDE 3.0.1 rpms without problems? Arie Folger = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Elections
I guess you missed this: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-1904994,00.html Were talking about a cool 1 mil. * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax (+1 Outside the US) 240-597-3213 My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nadav Har'El Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 6:40 PM To: Dvir Volk Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Elections On Mon, May 27, 2002, Dvir Volk wrote about RE: Elections: Get some money from the goverment, get some funding for Hebrew applications development on Linux - stuff like that.. this might be a good time to do that - as you've probably read, the government is considering funding hebrew open source projects. http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-1904994,00.html Regarding government funds - not only does this idea disturbs me personally (now is the time for our government to spend LESS, not MORE money), but I don't see what exactly we're trying to achieve. To get 5,000 shekels needed for a movie and food, you don't need government (or corporate) funds, just collecting 50 shekels from every viewer is enough. To get 500,000 shekels needed to pay someone to work full-time on some project, government funds will not be enough (unless there's a crooked political party backing you up). -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, May 27 2002, 17 Sivan 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Attention: There will be a rain dance http://nadav.harel.org.il |Friday night, weather permitting. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: YOM IYOON?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 6:44 PM To: Peleg Wasserman Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: YOM IYOON? Quoth Peleg Wasserman: Linux is used in the IDF, perhaps we can get someone to talk about that too (non classified uses) . I am significantly AGAINST this particular aspect. Assisting a military organisation is non-productive and, worse, anti-moral. I guess we can relax that no one is voicing any political remarks in this list. However, everything else - I am for. Linux in education is an excellent idea of yours. Linux in multimedia production (not only back-end crunching but also blender and company - anyone here knows anything about that?) M = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
Hi, ppl! I know I am mostly a lurker and that's why I don't write much, but nevertheless here are my 2 nis: Hetz, I understand what you are trying to do, maybe it will work, maybe not. In general I think that IF it will work, it will take a LOT of time to convince someone that Linux-IL is a serios organization. A lot's of ppl don't trust new companies / amutot / whatever and the fact that no one has ever heard 'officially' about IGLU is enough to treat it as newbie :-))) About elections: like already being said, irrelevant, let's do something and then elect. What I do think that needs to be done is elections for doing what you proposed or not. We all belong to the list and ppl have the right to decide what will become of it, before you mail the amuta papers. As for donations, I have an old 266 Alpha with no HDD, maybe you want it ? Also as a person who is now running my own company, I can advertise Linux better. That's the kind of contribution I can do for now ( no money :( ) Feel free to reply, flamers will be shot down on sight :) --- Oleg Kobets Linux Administrator ITS Computer Systems = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
On Monday 27 May 2002 18:24, Tzahi Fadida wrote: I guess you missed this: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-1904994,00.html Were talking about a cool 1 mil. And that, my friend, requires an Amuta - the goverment wants to know who to turn to, and prefferable - someone objective... Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Elections
I am all for it, in fact that you have to seize these moments! They rarely come back. If you don't seize oppertunities you never grow. * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax (+1 Outside the US) 240-597-3213 My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html -Original Message- From: Hetz Ben Hamo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tzahi Fadida; Nadav Har'El; Dvir Volk Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Elections On Monday 27 May 2002 18:24, Tzahi Fadida wrote: I guess you missed this: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-1904994,00.html Were talking about a cool 1 mil. And that, my friend, requires an Amuta - the goverment wants to know who to turn to, and prefferable - someone objective... Hetz To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Elections
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Moshe Zadka Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 5:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Elections On Mon, 27 May 2002, Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's wrong with continuing to run IGLU as an anarchy?, you make it sound like IGLU is a terrorist organization ;) What, pray tell, is the relationship between anarchy and terrorist organizations? Except for the obvious one (anarchy disdains terrorist organization like the Hamas, Fatah or the Israeli goverment which kill people) I don't see one. Please, enlighten me. [on real operating systems, apt-get install anarchism will take care of enlightening you. if it doesn't work for you, contact me for a dime to go buy yourself a real os] As usual you are trying to twist things and trying to pick a fight as obvious from your previous flame wars. so i don't think you deserve an answer. Because as you probably know companies and the *.gov, like to deal = with real entities. *Fictious* entities. People are real entities. Non-profits are fictious entities. And yes, indeed they do. But I'm a person. I like to deal with *real* entities, funny person that I am. Good, now we know what *real* entities don't have to join if they so inclined but i suspect that picking wars with no one is not your style so i suspect you won't *real*y spare us your next flame war. Its not like we are doing anything illegal ...except violating the DMCA and the cellular companies ToS daily... Speak for yourself. Right now people relate to us as the Linux community but no one take you seriously until you get invited to Oshrat cotler for burning tires in front of the Microsoft bldg. at Matam ;) Burning tires *definitely* doesn't need any type of organization. As far as I can see the needs are primarily tires and matches (maybe some gasoline? anyone here with experience want to share tips and tricks?) read my first paragraph. And please don't reply to this message you won't get any more fuel for your flame wars from me. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Elections
On Mon, 27 May 2002, Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As usual you are trying to twist things and trying to pick a fight as obvious from your previous flame wars. so i don't think you deserve an answer. Then why did you answer? Truly, you are a mystery wrapped in an enigma. Good, now we know what *real* entities don't have to join if they so inclined but i suspect that picking wars with no one is not your style so i suspect you won't *real*y spare us your next flame war. Erit appears to me that *you* are the one flaming *me* on a public forum, after I explained my point of view. ...except violating the DMCA and the cellular companies ToS daily... Speak for yourself. Announcements of ways to circumvent the DMCA and programs that violate cellular companies ToS (Hi, Nadav!) are made here. Would you like some not-to-nice body to take legal steps against an amuta? Or would you rather having them have nobody to attack but private people, who do not have any central obligation? read my first paragraph. Your first paragraph, wisdom filled as it is, contains no tipstricks about how to burn tires, so on this topic you have left my wallowing in my ignorance, I am sad to say. It appears my steganography skills are not what they used to be -- why, when I was younger I could read messages hidden in gifs when people *described* the picture to me. My GPG key is on my web site, if you want to send me instructions on how to burn tires in an undetected manner. And please don't reply to this message And let you have the last word? Why, I'm sure *somewhere* there is a law against it, maybe as a counter weight to Mr. Goodwin's observation. (Who, I like to add, has not reared his ugly head in the last (Hebrew) war, despite many obvious places. Kudos to the flame-warriors on both sides!) you won't get any more fuel for your flame wars from me. Oh, what I have already got it plenty -- I really don't feel I have any right to ask for more. Besides, as we all know, asking for more, even when accompanied by a please sir, may I have some, is liable to get you in trouble -- and I, for one, take lessons from literature, fictional though it is, *very* seriosuly. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: YOM IYOON?
I think it is a great idea, and an event I would like to take part in. In my opinion, if we take the trouble to organize an event, let it be an event we want to take part in, before we organize something for hypothetical others who will need to be tempted to come for promotion reasons. In other words, let us learn and have fun before we become missioners. On 27 May 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 09:19, Karasik, Vitaly wrote: I would like to ask if someone knows about up-coming YOM IYOON regardingLinux, and specially Linux in Israel, Linux in desktop, etc... [ rant about hostile media deleted ] So, is there? if not - is there some company who think it can arrange something like this? (IBM? Sun? others?) Why wait for a company? Let's do it ourselves. Remember that film about Linux (Revoloution OS) we discussed the other day? Well, I made some queries and we can get the Cinematec small theather for 2 hours on some Friday for 2,000NIS. Probably can get it for 3 hours for 2,500NIS or less if we want to. The movie screening rights (one time for Linux freaks) is 400$ ~ 2000NIS. Which means we already got a place and 1 interesting activity. So, let's add two or three intresting talks and call it Yom Iyoon. Whomever covers the theater costs gets to be called Official Sponser and the right to present a talk about his favorite marketing hype^H^H^H^H^H^Hinteresting subject. Whomevers covers the costs of the movie screening gets to be called Official Sponser and the right to shoiwer marketing maetrials on all participants. Compaq/Ligad, Aduva and Eli Marmor gets first refusal rights for the above rolls thanks to their previous generous donations to IGLU activities. Anyone else who contrinuted something and I've missed gets the same right as long as he or she promises not to open a long thread about it on linux-il...;-) Actcom get to be official ISP and have a booth at the place because they finance the IGLU server and mirrors and because I like them ;-) Which leaves us in need for two intersting talks (assuming one will be presented by one of the official sponsors) Personally, I would very much like these to to be highly technical discussions. Maybe the IBM team that did the OpenOffice Hebrewivisation can present a talk about the technical challanges and solution of this? Comments? anyone here interested or am I the only mad man here? ;-) I think the timing now is important since MS is going to change their license to MS License version 6, and by switching some of the servers/services to Linux could save lots of money tocompanies and can encourage companies to test/adopt/deploy Linux.. sigh When will you stop seeing everything through the narrow view of 'beating MS'? Who cares? they are simply irrelvent. We like Linux, which mean we'll enjoying organiing a day talking about Linux, why do we need anything more? Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Code mangler, senior coffee drinker and VP SIGSEGV Qlusters ltd. A billion flies _can_ be wrong - I'd rather eat lamb chops than shit. -- Linus Torvalds on lkml = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Orna. | http://tx.technion.ac.il/~agmon There are only 10 types of people in the world- Those who understand binary, and those who do not. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pasting from a KDE app into a non Unicode app (LyX)
On Mon, 27 May 2002, Arie Folger wrote: Hi, I am trying to paste a Hebrew text from KEdit into LyX, but get question marks only. I guess because KDE uses Unicode internally, whereas LyX uses iso-whatever-you-choose (in my case iso-8859-8 - kudos to Dekel for supporting Hebrew in LyX). How do I fix this? Ony workaround I can think of is to save text to a text file (I think you can save it to an ISO-8859-8 file, but I'm not sure), and import it into LyX. Quite ugly. Anybody? (or is LyX starting to use Unicode in 1.2?) It is supposed to have QT (KDE?) and gtk front-ends. Never tried. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pasting from a KDE app into a non Unicode app (LyX)
On Monday 27 May 2002 14:32, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Ony workaround I can think of is to save text to a text file (I think you can save it to an ISO-8859-8 file, but I'm not sure), This i what I am doing for now. Dvir suggested setting locale to Hebrew_IL. and import it into LyX. Quite ugly. Yes. (or is LyX starting to use Unicode in 1.2?) It is supposed to have QT (KDE?) and gtk front-ends. Never tried. They are still in development, and the QT/KDE frontend is still KDE2. It is also supposed to gain ncurses frontend (good for handhelds, I hope a Palm compatible LyX will appear soon enough), but that is not even on the development site's development progress (i.e. it will eventually appear...) Arie -- It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable. -- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
On Monday 27 May 2002 18:38, Orna Agmon wrote: The referred we, which are supposed to vote, is a body yet to be defined. Who gets the right to vote? linux users? sysadmins? people who paid their taxes to the amuta? for that, we need to set taxes. Linux-IL who are subscribed to this list, as well as other Linux activists, but I don't know people who are activly encouraging Linux use and are not on this list - so the Linux-IL subscribed users are allowed to vote. Of course - once there is an Amuta - nothing would prevent anyone from registering to the Amuta, as long as the person is willing is to volunteer for help. Once we have an Amuta - we can set the goals of what activity is needed, and how it can be done. If all it takes is to declare you use linux, or to subscribe to linux-il, I envision a lot of windows users marching to vote, as some dead people are known to have been doing for ages in Israel. Ok, if that person is willing to help - welcome aboard. Currently, I am proud to be a linux user, and a Haifux member. I do missionary work on every occasion, like I am sure most of you do. But if being an Israeli Linux user (=amuta member) would mean that I am a part of an official shnor organization, then this is something I would be ashamed of. Read the answer above. I do not see anything wrong with sponsoring an event, but asking companies for a regular donation, when they do not know exactly where the money goes, is different. It's not a private company, everything is disclosed publically and approved. there is something called mevaker amutot you know ;) Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
On Mon, May 27, 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote about RE: Elections: As usual you are trying to twist things and trying to pick a fight as obvious from your previous flame wars. so i don't think you deserve an answer. .. ...except violating the DMCA and the cellular companies ToS daily... Speak for yourself. Announcements of ways to circumvent the DMCA and programs that violate cellular companies ToS (Hi, Nadav!) are made here. Would you like some Moshe, so now you're trying to pick a fight with me?? The DMCA is not a law in Israel, so whether or not any of us are breaking it is totally irrelevant. I am not violating any cellular company's ToS. I don't do it myself, and my sendsms's license clearly prohibits its users from doing so either. From sendsms's manual page: Remember that you must follow the terms of service you accepted when you got the providers' SMS accounts. In par- ticular, you must not send messages to others to disturb them intentionally. Please do not send messages to random numbers for testing sendsms - real people might be getting these messages. You must not use sendsms for mass distribu- tion of unsolicited messages (like commercial or political advertisements) as this is both a violation of sendsms's license and a violation of all SMS providers' terms-of-ser- vice. And please don't reply to this message And let you have the last word? Why, I'm sure *somewhere* there is a law And lose an opportunity to offend yet another person and continue the flame-war? And why would Moshe do that? :) you won't get any more fuel for your flame wars from me. That's why he chose to insult me too, to get more fuel in the fire... I guess you should reply to Moshe in Hebrew - there is no way he's going to reply to that! :) -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, May 27 2002, 17 Sivan 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Mommy! The garbage man is here! Well, http://nadav.harel.org.il |tell him we don't want any!- Groucho Marx = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
Second, I don't understand where you got the idea that the goverment is planning on giving the whole jackpot to a newly founded amuta of people that linuxam omanutam. According to that article, the committee (linux-il is NOT that committee) is going to give money to programming-groups in commercial companies and universities working on making Hebrew free software. And why do u think the Amuta should get the money? it could be possible that the goverment ask the Amuta about company or companies who speciallize for XYZ projects and the Amuta should connect the goverment with the company (or companies). It could also be possible that those companies will need to give a status report every month about the development status of the project to the Amuta, which will report back to the goverment. I suppose that a company like IBM, which has provably done good work in this area, is going to get a substantial chunk of the money to persuade it to continue its work. Someone in one of the universities might get a grant to sit for 6 months to create a super-duper Hebrew Linux distribution. But I don't see why the government would ever want to pass substantial amounts of money to linux-il, amuta or not. Read the part I answered above. Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
On Mon, 27 May 2002, Orna Agmon wrote: Currently, I am proud to be a linux user, and a Haifux member. I do missionary work on every occasion, like I am sure most of you do. But if being an Israeli Linux user (=amuta member) would mean that I am a part of an official shnor organization, then this is something I would be ashamed of. That depends. I see nothing wrong in getting the goverenment to pay for something that eventually will save expences for Israel as a whole and maybe even for the country's budget. I realaize that getting money from the goverenment is not an easy task. However, the blessing of the goverentment (even without the money) is useful. That is: I do not expect the goverenment to finance IGLUs meetings and such. But sponsering develpoment (and maybe maintinance) of software is certainly nothing to be ashamed of. (Not that I yet have high hopes here, but...) -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mouse suddenly off center
I wrote: Sometimes, as I am working and X is on, the mouse pointer suddenly ceases to represent the actual coordinates of this critter (actually, it's a touchpad), and is about 1.5 cm to the left of it's actual, invisible location. On Tuesday 21 May 2002 04:48, Shaul Karl wrote: Are you sure there isn't some kind of collision between X and gpm? I disabled gpm, but today the problem reappeared. My next guess, ZXaxis mapping for buttons 4 and 5 in /etc/X11/XF86Config* Does that make sense (I now disabled that feature which is anyway useless for me as I use a touchpad). Arie Folger -- It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable. -- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mounting iso9660 as rw
Hi, On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 11:46:46AM +0300, Dan Kenigsberg wrote: This may sound odd at first, and useless later, but I would like to add some files to a iso9660 filesystem. To be more exact, I have an iso of a CD and would like to update it with my own stuff. I tried to loop-mount it with rw option and even have /c/redhat/valhalla-i386-disc3.iso on /rh73/d3 type iso9660 (rw,loop=/dev/loop2) in my mount output. However, when I try to write inside /rh73/d3 I keep getting Read-only file system message. I think I could copy all the files from the iso, and my own, and rebuild the whole bunch, but I just don't like the idea. But this seems to me to be the only clean way. Of course, it might won't work for you at all (e.g. if the image is of a bootable CD which you can't create yourself, such as an NT installation CD). Any other suggestions? Am I missing a fundamental of loop/iso9660 that prevents this from happening? Yes. Without being an iso9660 expert, as I understand, you will have to move around a lot of things to update an iso image. What you *can* do, which might or might not help you, is create another session, to be burned after the image you already have. See the options '-C' and '-M' of mkisofs. Note, I havn't tried this myself. You might also find UDF (google) interesting. It's writable, is the standard for DVD, I think works automagically in recent windows versions, and seems to be in stable beta state in linux. I never tried it myself, even readonly. Good luck, and I think many would like to hear your experience when you have conclusions. Dan. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pasting from a KDE app into a non Unicode app (LyX)
Opps, I haven't CCed it. -Amir. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: pasting from a KDE app into a non Unicode app (LyX) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 23:16:49 +0300 From: Amir Hardon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Arie Folger [EMAIL PROTECTED] I found that setting LC_ALL and LANG to he_IL fixes this problem. I'm not sure why(Does it make QT3 applications use iso charset?), but it works. -Amir. On Monday 27 May 2002 19:43, Arie Folger wrote: Hi, I am trying to paste a Hebrew text from KEdit into LyX, but get question marks only. I guess because KDE uses Unicode internally, whereas LyX uses iso-whatever-you-choose (in my case iso-8859-8 - kudos to Dekel for supporting Hebrew in LyX). How do I fix this? (or is LyX starting to use Unicode in 1.2?) Also, is Hebrew support in KWrite fixed in KDE 3.0.1? Arie Folger --- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mouse suddenly off center
On 2002.05.27 22:20 Arie Folger wrote: Sometimes, as I am working and X is on, the mouse pointer suddenly ceases to represent the actual coordinates of this critter (actually, it's a touchpad), and is about 1.5 cm to the left of it's actual, invisible location. My next guess, ZXaxis mapping for buttons 4 and 5 in /etc/X11/XF86Config* I know that for me, this happens when I use APM: ACPI solves this (And some other bug in the ThinkPad i1200 BIOS). I believe full ACPI support is in the 2.5 kernel, and you can apply some patches to the 2.4 as well (I use a patched 2.4, usually works as it should). Searching Google hints this may be it, as the generic XFree86 4.2.0 server does this to the hardware cursor when APM is on -- using a software cursor solves this. Shay. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mouse suddenly off center
On Monday 27 May 2002 16:16, Shay Elkin wrote: I know that for me, this happens when I use APM: ACPI solves this (And some other bug in the ThinkPad i1200 BIOS). Makes a lot of sense. APM does not fully work with my laptop, which wants ACPI. Matters got worse in RH7.3 over the RH7.2 updates kernels, and although I used to be able to suspend, now if I even shut the lid, the screen will go sleeping with no apparent chance of coming back. Lukily the keyboard still accepts input, so that alt-ctrl-f1 followed by reboot will work. (I don't need to do ctrl-z because I wrote a one line script that replaces startx and calls startx with some as a backround process, redirecting stderr to a file. Much better for diagnostic purposes). So, what do I need to do to patch the kernel for ACPI? How long does it take to recompile it? (may become a habit, to keep up with updates) Do the patches change when a new kernel comes out, even if the to be patched code wasn't touched in the new release? Can I combine all my settings in a file so that next time when I recompile a kernel it knows what my preferences are and automates the process? Arie -- It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable. -- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Strange 3com 3c905b card problem
Hi List, I'm trying to use a 3com 3c905b card with an old 10m hub. It seems that no matter what I do(force Half+10mb) that card still prints out that he think that there is an duplex mismatch, and simply unable to transmit anything. Any other machine connected to that hub automatically use 10baseT HD. Communication is possible, but 95% of the packets are lost. I tried to raise the debug level, but nothing really was there. however it works perfect with M$ L Could it be a driver problem? Thanks, Ohad.
Re: pasting from a KDE app into a non Unicode app (LyX)
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 23:18, Amir Hardon wrote: I found that setting LC_ALL and LANG to he_IL fixes this problem. I'm not sure why(Does it make QT3 applications use iso charset?), but it works. Qt offers two flavors of data in the clipboard simultaneously (via QTextDrag, if you care): PLAIN and text/plain -- in the locale's encoding (check your locale's encoding by running 'locale charmap') text/plain; charset=UTF-8 -- in the Unicode encoding, regardless of locale Most old apps will try to get PLAIN or text/plain. Unicode apps (like Qt apps, and probably Mozilla / GTK+ 2.0) would try to get the UTF-8 flavor -- so any language would be transfered flawlessly regardless of your locale. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Elections
-Original Message- From: Nadav Har'El [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 8:51 PM To: Tzahi Fadida Cc: Dvir Volk; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Elections On Mon, May 27, 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote about RE: Elections: I guess you missed this: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-1904994,00.html Were talking about a cool 1 mil. No, I saw it. First, it says the sum is 100,000 to 1,000,000 - don't be too optimistic that the final sum will be 1 million. Second, I don't understand where you got the idea that the goverment is planning on giving the whole jackpot to a newly founded amuta of people that linuxam omanutam. According to that article, the What the hell are we going to do with 1Mil Nis(or less ;) money? (Captain, he is gone mad. we must shoot him now. Don't worry bones we go hope for him yet). Now Seriously, I didn't mention anything like keeping the money for ourselves (though it doesn't really sound so bad.. NO NO *slap* get a grip) but maybe if we will have some kind of official status we could influence the committee. Right now, I doubt they will invite any of linux-il members, plus I am not even sure they know we exists, and I prefer the money will go to the Linux giur and not to orthodox giur(pun intended, no offense meant). To sum it up: No official status = No Knesset influence. (And don't tell me you believe they are going to pay attention to any one person on this list (company CEOs ~~maybe~~ excluded) you have to speak their language) committee (linux-il is NOT that committee) is going to give money to programming-groups in commercial companies and universities working on making Hebrew free software. I suppose that a company like IBM, which has provably done good work in this area, is going to get a substantial chunk of the money to persuade it to continue its work. Someone in one of the universities might get a grant to sit for 6 months to create a super-duper Hebrew Linux distribution. But I don't see why the government would ever want to pass substantial amounts of money to linux-il, amuta or not. -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, May 27 2002, 17 Sivan 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Why do we drive on a parkway and park on http://nadav.harel.org.il |a driveway? To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YOM IYOON?
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 19:43, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: I am significantly AGAINST this particular aspect. Assisting a military organisation is non-productive and, worse, anti-moral. Can't help but remember the Milkhama Kolelet sign on your door back in Aduva :) (worry not, I know your real political agenda) However, everything else - I am for. Linux in education is an excellent idea of yours. Linux in multimedia production (not only back-end crunching but also blender and company - anyone here knows anything about that?) That's a bit unfortunate, given NaN, makers of Blender, went out of business some months ago. Nor does The GIMP have anything to demonstrate over tools like Adobe Photoshop (well, maybe GIMP's Film version has something...). There's still no viable drawing program (to stand against FreeHand, Illustrator or CorelDraw), nor DTP program. Sound editing tools are also sorrily missing, according to people who've tried to employ Linux for audio works. So I don't think Linux has much to show in the multimedia area. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YOM IYOON?
That's a bit unfortunate, given NaN, makers of Blender, went out of business some months ago. Nor does The GIMP have anything to demonstrate over tools like Adobe Photoshop (well, maybe GIMP's Film version has something...). There's still no viable drawing program (to stand against FreeHand, Illustrator or CorelDraw), nor DTP program. Sound editing tools are also sorrily missing, according to people who've tried to employ Linux for audio works. So I don't think Linux has much to show in the multimedia area. Thank goodness for Crossover office (they have a new version coming out soon - Photoshop 6 runs on it pretty nice. I wish IBM Israel would do the wine bidi implementation - which will mean a serious boost to Linux as an MS replacement while keeping your investment) Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
On Mon, 27 May 2002, Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DMCA is not a law in Israel, so whether or not any of us are breaking it is totally irrelevant. Until the president of the amuta goes to give a lecture in the US, I presume. I am not violating any cellular company's ToS. I don't do it myself, and my sendsms's license clearly prohibits its users from doing so either. I seriously doubt that would stop Orange from suing the amuta if they felt not enough people are reading the banner ads they have on their site. In case I didn't make myself clear (as a loyal user of sendsms): breaking the DMCA and violating cellular companies ToS are good things. However, doing them with no deep-pocket organization is the best way of making sure nobody goes after us. *This* is what guerilla warfare is all about: sure, they are way stronger. They can catch any of us. But they have to do it *one by one*. And lose an opportunity to offend yet another person and continue the flame-war? And why would Moshe do that? :) I'm sorry if I offended you. Sendsms is a great program -- and one of the examples of why we do not need an organization to do stuff. I guess you should reply to Moshe in Hebrew - there is no way he's going to reply to that! :) Obviously, he wouldn't do that -- he sent this message to publically flame me, no way was he going to reduce his audience. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YOM IYOON?
On Monday 27 May 2002 20:36, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Why wait for a company? Let's do it ourselves. Remember that film about Linux (Revoloution OS) we discussed the other day? Wheee! excellent idea! a chance to meet in person, discuss cool stuff and watch a documentary on penguins and penguin afficiandos. I volunteer to speak about anything at all, as long as it can be expressed in a programming language of your choice, if no one who's a less boring speaker wants to. Let's set a date and get the ball rolling. Hmm, so it's a meeting between Linux people.. nice... If I remember correctly, Sun at Herzelia Pituach had a nice place for meetings, although I'm not sure at that. I do think that IBM Israel have something like that, and Aduva had (when I was working there) a nice meetings room - any one from those companies can check if his company can contribute their place for a day meeting? And speaking of meeting - please read my next email which will arrive to you in 5 minutes. excuse me for barging in like that, but its been a while since i saw an idea comes to the world, and then gets murdered 2 minuets later. was i stupid enough to think that one of the main causes of linux users (worldwide, and specially in Israel) is to promote linux and help transfer MS users to Linux ? does the fact that we love linux help it get anywhere ? personally, i think that Hetz's basic idea about a commercial Yom iyoon is better, and will serve linux better then just another get together of some already linux users. lets try to take this cause one more step forward, and arrange something that non-linux users can benefit from, and maybe join in. tal. Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- [root@localhost /]# make love make: stop : dont know how to make love [root@localhost /]#ls Amir Tal, ICQ : 15748705 http://www.whatsup.org.il --- To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
The DMCA is not a law in Israel, so whether or not any of us are breaking it is totally irrelevant. Until the president of the amuta goes to give a lecture in the US, presume. I am not violating any cellular company's ToS. I don't do it myself, and my sendsms's license clearly prohibits its users from doing so either. I seriously doubt that would stop Orange from suing the amuta if they felt not enough people are reading the banner ads they have on their site. What has to be done is obvious. The IGLU should be divided into a Political and a Militant arm. The politicians (i.e., the Amuta) must issue statements condemning any and all behavior that even hints at violation of any laws or ethical rules. In the meantime, the militants could continue to violate all rules and laws with impunity and issue statements that they are doing it to revenge Microsoft's new licensing arrangements (for example). This seems to work very well in the current world. The Politicians are supported while the Militants are free to act as they wish. |---~~| |Good judgement comes from experience,| | which comes from bad judgement. | |-| = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elections
On Monday 27 May 2002 20:24, Dvir Volk wrote: Get some money from the goverment, get some funding for Hebrew applications development on Linux - stuff like that.. this might be a good time to do that - as you've probably read, the government is considering funding hebrew open source projects. http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-1904994,00.html and speaking of funding - the yom iyoon that is being discussed on a separate thread can actually be an IGLU fund raising event. this means to set-up the amoota till then, so it can be actually used for fund raising by the time this yom iyoon will launch. how long from today is this yom iyoon planned to take place ? weeks ? months ? seems to me that we will not be able to arrange everything in a reasonable period of time (given the fact that most people here cant deal with it 24\7) tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- [root@localhost /]# make love make: stop : dont know how to make love [root@localhost /]#ls Amir Tal, ICQ : 15748705 http://www.whatsup.org.il --- To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Strange 3com 3c905b card problem
And if I use network boot ? :(
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From: Jonathan Ben-Avraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 6:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Strange 3com 3c905b card problem
On Tue, 28 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi List,
I'm trying to use a 3com 3c905b card with an old 10m hub.
It seems that no matter what I do(force Half+10mb) that card still
prints out that he think that there is an duplex mismatch, and simply
unable to transmit anything.
Disconnet the card from the hub.
Restart the network /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S10network stop/start
Then reconnect the card to the hub
We used to have an all 3Com network and we saw this problem a lot with the old hubs,
especially with one series of 3x509's that were produced in 1987/8.
- yba
Any other machine connected to that hub automatically use 10baseT HD.
Communication is possible, but 95% of the packets are lost.
I tried to raise the debug level, but nothing really was there.
however it works perfect with M$ :-(
Could it be a driver problem?
Thanks,
Ohad.
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Re: Elections
On Monday 27 May 2002 22:02, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: On Monday 27 May 2002 15:53, Ely Levy wrote: what with you latly? we got along just fine so far and now you want to make it some sucky official thing? Whats with me lately? Nothing much, just thinking that Linux movement in Israel should get a step further - with things like: Get some money from the goverment, get some funding for Hebrew applications development on Linux - stuff like that.. Get some Linux publicity with the business world, and in the media (TV, Radio [like Inter-bet], papers)... Whats wrong with that? Again and again - if people are so against it - then fine, we'll do it (the people that want this) anyway and other could join.. count me in as the people that want this. and guys - a wake up call : nothing is going to change \ advance with linux unless we will do something about it. i don't remember i better timing then this for doing something about advancing linux. the government is actually showing intrest publicly. when did this happen before ?!? its about time that something similar to this will be done. i am all for it, and i think that we should it soon. tal. Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- [root@localhost /]# make love make: stop : dont know how to make love [root@localhost /]#ls Amir Tal, ICQ : 15748705 http://www.whatsup.org.il --- To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
