Re: vmware boot from ISO

[Amir Tal]

On Wednesday 02 October 2002 01:38, Meir Kriheli wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 October 2002 18:30, Amir Tal wrote:
> > its no news that since vmware 3.0 there's an option availabe to boot a VM
> > from an ISO image .
> > the question is : what if you've booted from an ISO image, and you need
> > to switch "cd's" during an install process ?
> >
> > if anyone has a solution for that, please share.
> > tal.
>
> Select disconnect and edit for the cd device, point it to the other iso,
> and connect it again.

vmware 3.0 used to crush when i chose that option. works in 3.2
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routing question

[frodo]

I need advice on the following routing situation:

I have a machine with two outside interfaces. One (ADSL) if the default
route, used for all outgoing traffic, and the other (FR) is used mostly to
receive mail, etc. Now I want to make setup so that outgoing mail (i.e.,
outgoing connections with port = 25) would be sent using FR interface and
not the ADSL. However, I can't find a tool that would allow me to do such
things. iproute2 can make routing decisions based on firewall marks (at
least the docs claim it can), but as I see from ipchains howto, if the
packet originates on the local machines, routing decision comes before the
firewall rules come in play.  Is there any way to do it? The kernel is
2.2., upgrade to 2.4 is out of the question for now (I don't know if 2.4
can do this, but anyway I guess it wouldn't help).

TIA for any advice,
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Re: routing question

[Eran Tromer]

While of no use to you, in iptables (kernel 2.4) you can achieve that
using the OUTPUT chain of the NAT table.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a machine with two outside interfaces. One (ADSL) if the default
> route, used for all outgoing traffic, and the other (FR) is used mostly to
> receive mail, etc. Now I want to make setup so that outgoing mail (i.e.,
> outgoing connections with port = 25) would be sent using FR interface and
> not the ADSL. However, I can't find a tool that would allow me to do such
> things. iproute2 can make routing decisions based on firewall marks (at
> least the docs claim it can), but as I see from ipchains howto, if the
> packet originates on the local machines, routing decision comes before the
> firewall rules come in play.  Is there any way to do it? The kernel is
> 2.2., upgrade to 2.4 is out of the question for now (I don't know if 2.4
> can do this, but anyway I guess it wouldn't help).


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open source law?

[Nadav Har'El]

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2150713,00.html

Is an article about a new open-source law proposed in Israel (by Nechama
Ronen, Merkaz party). Such a law will supposedly force the government to
use only free software, except in cases ok'ed by the minister of the
treasury.

It also has several interesting links, such as
http://www.infonomics.nl/FLOSS/report/, the "Free/Libre and Open Source
Software: Survey and Study".

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Re: routing question

[Geoffrey S. Mendelson]

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> I need advice on the following routing situation:

Another way to handle it would be to change the default routing so that
ALL the outgoing connections go to the frame relay line. 

Assuming your ISP runs a transparent proxy (almost, if not all of them
do) then you can do the same thing on your box. Set up a transparent
web proxy such as apache and have it connect directly to your ISP's
proxy (which would be routed over the aDSL line). 

To prevent hacking, you can set the local proxy to ignore connections
coming from both the aDSL and F/R lines.

It depends upon what else you want to use the aDSL line for. 

You may also be able to set the OUTPUT rules to reject an outgoing connection
via the F/R line on port 80. This would prevent people circumventing
the proxy.

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IP-MASQ+win2000

[Manor G.]

Hey,
Does anyone use his box as an ip-masq router for win2000 machines and
knows exacly how to change the mtu in win2k's regedit? because i tried
everything, changed a hundred times all the values in both the pppd mtu
and the eth's mtu and the win2k's ethernet cards mtu, the best i got is a
crawling connection on the masq'ed machines, on the server the connection
is fine and fast.

p.s
can it be related to some icmp blocks which i Dont have in my firewall
rules

i would appreciate any help,
Thanks,

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Re: IP-MASQ+win2000

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Quoth Manor G.:

> Does anyone use his box as an ip-masq router for win2000 machines and
> knows exacly how to change the mtu in win2k's regedit? because i tried

Don't change Win2k. Change TCP MSS values on the Firewall.

> p.s
> can it be related to some icmp blocks which i Dont have in my firewall
> rules

No.


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Re: IP-MASQ+win2000

[Nadav Har'El]

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote about "Re: 
IP-MASQ+win2000":
> Quoth Manor G.:
> 
> > Does anyone use his box as an ip-masq router for win2000 machines and
> > knows exacly how to change the mtu in win2k's regedit? because i tried
> 
> Don't change Win2k. Change TCP MSS values on the Firewall.
> 
> > p.s
> > can it be related to some icmp blocks which i Dont have in my firewall
> > rules
> 
> No.

Why not? If he didn't block ICMP Fragmentation Needed, TCP's automatic PMTU
discovery would work and there would be no need in setting it manually,
other than improvement of handshake time.

And do all firewalls support fiddling with MSS values on SYNs passing
through them? Ipchains couldn't do this (as far as I know). Can iptables?

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Re: open source law?

[Ely Levy]

OPEN SOURCE (not fs)
sun is behind it btw:)

Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University 
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote:

> http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2150713,00.html
> 
> Is an article about a new open-source law proposed in Israel (by Nechama
> Ronen, Merkaz party). Such a law will supposedly force the government to
> use only free software, except in cases ok'ed by the minister of the
> treasury.
> 
> It also has several interesting links, such as
> http://www.infonomics.nl/FLOSS/report/, the "Free/Libre and Open Source
> Software: Survey and Study".
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open office (finally)

[Amir Tal]

i was wondering when (and if) the israeli goverment will follow others in 
supporting open source. looks like we are on the right track ;)

http://www.whatsup.org.il/article.php?sid=458

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RE: IP-MASQ+win2000

[Tzahi Fadida]

iptables -t filter -A FORWARD -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -j
TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu

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> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote
> about "Re: IP-MASQ+win2000":
> > Quoth Manor G.:
> >
> > > Does anyone use his box as an ip-masq router for win2000
> machines and
> > > knows exacly how to change the mtu in win2k's regedit?
> because i tried
> >
> > Don't change Win2k. Change TCP MSS values on the Firewall.
> >
> > > p.s
> > > can it be related to some icmp blocks which i Dont have
> in my firewall
> > > rules
> >
> > No.
>
> Why not? If he didn't block ICMP Fragmentation Needed, TCP's
> automatic PMTU
> discovery would work and there would be no need in setting it
> manually,
> other than improvement of handshake time.
>
> And do all firewalls support fiddling with MSS values on SYNs passing
> through them? Ipchains couldn't do this (as far as I know).
> Can iptables?
>
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Re: open source law?

[Nadav Har'El]

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Ely Levy wrote about "Re: open source law?":
> OPEN SOURCE (not fs)

Oh, let's not start this pointless and endless argument again :(
There is no difference between "Open Source" (www.opensource.org)
and "Free Software" (not copyleft!) licenses. These are two political
camps, emphesizing different things - not two license types.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

See also http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/stallman.html
where Stallman is admitting (surprise!):

   "...  "Free software" and "Open Source" describe the same category of
   software, more or less, but say different things about the software,
   and about values. The GNU Project continues to use the term "free
   software," to express the idea that freedom, not just technology, is
   important."


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Re: open source law?

[Ely Levy]

You are right I missed the part where OSI became stupid and immitated FSF
it wasn't always like that AFAIK.
you are right OSI and FSF are the same, but opensource and fs are not the
same by far.
one require the program to be free one require the program to be giving
with its sources. 
and altough OSI no longer know the diffrance law people does.
they don't expect sun to give away solaris for free or ms to give windows
for free they want to have the source code with it.
even BSDI required license then suddenly they are not open source anymore?


Ely Levy
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Ely Levy wrote about "Re: open source law?":
> > OPEN SOURCE (not fs)
> 
> Oh, let's not start this pointless and endless argument again :(
> There is no difference between "Open Source" (www.opensource.org)
> and "Free Software" (not copyleft!) licenses. These are two political
> camps, emphesizing different things - not two license types.
> 
> If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
> 
> See also http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/stallman.html
> where Stallman is admitting (surprise!):
> 
>  "...  "Free software" and "Open Source" describe the same category of
>  software, more or less, but say different things about the software,
>  and about values. The GNU Project continues to use the term "free
>  software," to express the idea that freedom, not just technology, is
>  important."
> 
> 
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Re: open office (finally)

[Ely Levy]

As usuall the stupidity of the israeli goverment.
They won't join the europian project of making a file format which is not
word specific. They would not join sun's efford to make openoffice hebrew.
they would join in with ibm which couldn't get thier patch into openoffice
for like a year now.
What make them think it would get into openoffice after?
Should they pay sun's bill in the first place?after all they would get
money for it on staroffice.

sometimes I really don't get them..

Ely Levy
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Amir Tal wrote:

> i was wondering when (and if) the israeli goverment will follow others in
> supporting open source. looks like we are on the right track ;)
> 
> http://www.whatsup.org.il/article.php?sid=458
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Re: open source law?

[Tal Peer]

Ely Levy wrote:

>You are right I missed the part where OSI became stupid and immitated FSF
>it wasn't always like that AFAIK.
>you are right OSI and FSF are the same, but opensource and fs are not the
>same by far.
>one require the program to be free one require the program to be giving
>with its sources. 
>and altough OSI no longer know the diffrance law people does.
>they don't expect sun to give away solaris for free or ms to give windows
>for free they want to have the source code with it.
>even BSDI required license then suddenly they are not open source anymore?
>  
>

AFAIK, what _you_ mean by 'free software' is actually 'freeware' (free 
as in beer..)

>
>Ely Levy
>System group
>Hebrew University 
>Jerusalem Israel
>
>
>
>On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote:
>
>  
>
>>On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Ely Levy wrote about "Re: open source law?":
>>
>>
>>>OPEN SOURCE (not fs)
>>>  
>>>
>>Oh, let's not start this pointless and endless argument again :(
>>There is no difference between "Open Source" (www.opensource.org)
>>and "Free Software" (not copyleft!) licenses. These are two political
>>camps, emphesizing different things - not two license types.
>>
>>If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
>>
>>See also http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/stallman.html
>>where Stallman is admitting (surprise!):
>>
>> "...  "Free software" and "Open Source" describe the same category of
>> software, more or less, but say different things about the software,
>> and about values. The GNU Project continues to use the term "free
>> software," to express the idea that freedom, not just technology, is
>> important."
>>
>>
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Re: open source law?

[Nadav Har'El]

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Ely Levy wrote about "Re: open source law?":
> You are right I missed the part where OSI became stupid and immitated FSF
> it wasn't always like that AFAIK.
> you are right OSI and FSF are the same, but opensource and fs are not the
> same by far.
> one require the program to be free one require the program to be giving
> with its sources. 
> and altough OSI no longer know the diffrance law people does.
> they don't expect sun to give away solaris for free or ms to give windows
> for free they want to have the source code with it.
> even BSDI required license then suddenly they are not open source anymore?

No, BSDI was never called "open source" - it was a "source license".

As far as I know the term "open source" was invented by the same guys
running OSI ("open source initiative"). I don't remember that term being
used by anyone before them, though you are right, it might be understood
intuitively to have a different meaning, like "software which comes with
source, but you can't pass it around". This is one of the reasons that
Stallman objects to the term "open source", and one of the reasons it
was chosen in the first place (to a layman, who doesn't know what open
source really refers to, this phrase doesn't sound "communist").

In the 1999 "Open Sources" book (the Stallman quote I gave in the previous
email was from there) already discussed the "Open Source Definition", by
Bruce Perens, and it was essentially equivalent to the one they have now
on the site. The "OSI" never changed their minds or "became stupid".

If you misunderstood their "open source" definition, don't feel bad: that's
*Exactly* what Perens and his friends meant to do (see the "Remaking the meme"
chapter in O'Reilly's "Peer to Peer" book). They deliberately chose a term
that can be confused to mean something conservative and capitalistic,
instead of the term "free software" that is more easily confused (?) with
being communist, anti-business, anarchistic, left-wing liberal.


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Re: IP-MASQ+win2000

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Quoth Nadav Har'El:

> Why not? If he didn't block ICMP Fragmentation Needed, TCP's automatic PMTU
> discovery would work and there would be no need in setting it manually,
> other than improvement of handshake time.

Not an issue, mostly. Block FR and DF and you have problems, but NOT
insane ones that the guy describes.

> And do all firewalls support fiddling with MSS values on SYNs passing
> through them? Ipchains couldn't do this (as far as I know). Can iptables?

iptables can.


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Re: open office (finally)

[herouth]

Quoting Ely Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> As usuall the stupidity of the israeli goverment.
> They won't join the europian project of making a file format which is not
> word specific. They would not join sun's efford to make openoffice hebrew.

Is there a working version of the Sun Hebrew thingy? Because if not, I don't
blame the government for not investing in vaporware, and preferring a working
solution (albeit buggy).

Herouth

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Re: open office (finally)

[Nadav Har'El]

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about "Re: open office (finally)":
> Quoting Ely Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > As usuall the stupidity of the israeli goverment.
> > They won't join the europian project of making a file format which is not
> > word specific. They would not join sun's efford to make openoffice hebrew.
> 
> Is there a working version of the Sun Hebrew thingy? Because if not, I don't
> blame the government for not investing in vaporware, and preferring a working
> solution (albeit buggy).

But actually Eli made a good point: if it will never be possible to integrate
IBM's code into openoffice (because of some silly lawyer fights), IBM's code
will be absolutely useless. The government should not invest a penny in
something that the citizens will not be able to use.

Redhat 8.0 already comes with OpenOffice. Think about it, if it weren't
for the argument between OpenOffice and IBM's lawyers, Redhat 8.0 could
have had a full-featured Hebrew OpenOffice out-of-the-box! I don't know
who's to blame, but I sure know who's suffering from this (all of us in
Israel, and the IBM developers whose product fewer people can use).

Let's face it, if IBMs code does not get integrated into OpenOffice, pretty
soon people will stop updating the patches for the latest OpenOffice releases,
nobody will spend the 3GB and 3 days (?) needed to compile the monster and
nobody will redistribute the resulting beast. Already, the rpm/deb we have
was based on the compilation efforts of one person and based on some non-
current version of OpenOffice.

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what's going on with the list ?

[Ishai Parasol]

Hi there

Am I the only one who get the messages 20 times each ?

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[OT] Fw: tzedaka project (fwd)

[Uri Bruck]

Hi,
This is different than the kind of volunteering usually discussed on the 
list. 
Please don't reply to me, but directly to the email in the message.

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Re: what's going on with the list ?

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rsync + ssh

[Michael Sternberg]

Just wondering how rsync+ssh combination is working.
Is it safe from security point of view ?
What overhead it introduces - is it quick enough ?

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Re: open source law?

[Ely Levy]

I see, sorry then they didn't became stupid they are very smart actualy
they took 2 words which mean something and gave them a whole new meaning
very smart and maniplutive.
I personaly dislike people like that even if I agree with their cause.
and btw reading opensource.org didn't add much to my respect for them.
it seems that all their goal is to make the term open source to catch up.
they admit copying large part of the OSD from debian.
being proud that their term passed free software term and putting a graph
of how much it's being used.
remind me again why do we even bother listening to them?


Ely Levy
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> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Ely Levy wrote about "Re: open source law?":
> > You are right I missed the part where OSI became stupid and immitated FSF
> > it wasn't always like that AFAIK.
> > you are right OSI and FSF are the same, but opensource and fs are not the
> > same by far.
> > one require the program to be free one require the program to be giving
> > with its sources.
> > and altough OSI no longer know the diffrance law people does.
> > they don't expect sun to give away solaris for free or ms to give windows
> > for free they want to have the source code with it.
> > even BSDI required license then suddenly they are not open source anymore?
> 
> No, BSDI was never called "open source" - it was a "source license".
> 
> As far as I know the term "open source" wasinvented by the same guys
> running OSI ("open source initiative"). I don't remember that term being
> used by anyone before them, though you are right, it might be understood
> intuitively to have a different meaning, like "software which comes with
> source, but you can't pass it around". This is one of the reasons that
> Stallman objects to the term "open source", and one of the reasons it
> was chosen in the first place (to a layman, who doesn't know what open
> source really refers to, this phrase doesn't sound "communist").
> 
> In the 1999 "Open Sources" book (the Stallman quote I gave in the previous
> email was from there) already discussed the "Open Source Definition", by
> Bruce Perens, and it was essentially equivalent to the one they have now
> on the site. The "OSI" never changed their minds or "became stupid".
> 
> If you misunderstood their "open source" definition, don't feel bad: that's
> *Exactly* what Perens and his friends meant to do (see the "Remaking the meme"
> chapter in O'Reilly's "Peer to Peer" book). They deliberately chose a term
> that can be confused to mean something conservative and capitalistic,
> instead of the term "free software" that is more easily confused (?) with
> being communist, anti-business, anarchistic, left-wing liberal.
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Re: open office (finally)

[Jonathan Ben Avraham]

Hi Herouth,
OpenOffice build 643 which is due out in a few days from now will have 
bidi suport. The support is not a patch, it is a very thoroughly done 
low level internationalization using IBM's ICU library. The work was done 
by Sun's Hamburg office group lead by Dieter Loeschky. The technical 
approach is more serious than IBM's bidi patch approach.

The 643 build is the first of a series of build leading up to a final 
release in April 2003 of OO and SO with fully localized Hebrew and Arabic 
support for all OO and SO components.

What we are missing now are OpenType fonts with diacritics ("nikud" in 
Hebrew) data tables GPOS and GSUB. Sun is planning to contribute fonts 
based on the Hebrew and Arabic TrueType fonts in Solaris9. These fonts 
will be OpenType makeovers of the Solaris fonts. Sun might also purchase a 
few higher quality fonts from a local vendor and provide them with SO 
but not with OO.

I am coordinating the technical side of requirements definition and 
testing for Hebrew SO/OO for Sun Israel. Motti Sadovsky at Sun in 
Herzliya is coordinating the business side. He has been in contact with 
some Israeli government people who expressed interest in contributing to 
the project in some way. We have also assembled a group of beta testers 
and some test plans.
Regards,

 - yba


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> 
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Quake III

[Amir Tal]

hi,

i was wondering if anyone here can tell me what do i need to do in order to 
make quake3 run normally here.
it loads, but with freezes (like the 3d accelerator is not working)
i have an NVidia GEforce 2 card (64MB). the NVidia kernel and GLX rpms are 
installed.
xfree 4.2.0, 2.4.18, RH 8 (installed for playing with it a little..so far i am 
NOT having very much fun..)

if you know your way around quake3, and can help, please email me offlist.

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Me too!

Tal Peer wrote:
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apache2 hebrew issue + solution

[Sagi Bashari]

Hi

I upgraded my home server today to RedHat 8.0. This version comes with 
Apache2, and for the first time I tried to get my sites to work with it.

I got the basics up without many problems, but when trying to access it 
I just the Hebrew on the site as gibberish.

Turns out that by default apache2 sends charset header itself, which is 
set to "ISO-8859-1". The strange thing is that the meta tags didn't 
override it.

Fixing it is pretty easy, simply comment the "AddDefaultCharset" line in 
your httpd.conf.

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Re: rsync + ssh

[Guy Cohen]

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 05:39:42PM +0300, Michael Sternberg wrote:
> 
> Just wondering how rsync+ssh combination is working.

rsync -e ssh

> Is it safe from security point of view ?

It's transferring the data over an encrypted channel. If you're updating
your mirror then there's no actual reason to transfer the publicly
accessible data encrypted.

> What overhead it introduces - is it quick enough ?

As quick as simple ssh or simple rsync

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Re: open source law?

[Michael Stolovitzsky]

On Wednesday 02 October 2002 17:28, Tal Peer wrote:
> Ely Levy wrote:
> >You are right I missed the part where OSI became stupid and immitated FSF
> >it wasn't always like that AFAIK.
> >you are right OSI and FSF are the same, but opensource and fs are not the
> >same by far.
> >one require the program to be free one require the program to be giving
> >with its sources.
> >and altough OSI no longer know the diffrance law people does.
> >they don't expect sun to give away solaris for free or ms to give windows
> >for free they want to have the source code with it.
> >even BSDI required license then suddenly they are not open source anymore?
>
> AFAIK, what _you_ mean by 'free software' is actually 'freeware' (free
> as in beer..)
>

Open Source = software that is accompanied by sources, whether commercial or 
not, whether are derivative works permitted or not.

Free Software = software that is free as in freedom and can be freely 
modified, IMPLYING that it is opensource.

Freeware = software that is free as in free beer. Does NOT imply distribution 
of sources or licenseability to derivative works.

IANAL.

> >Ely Levy
> >System group
> >Hebrew University
> >Jerusalem Israel
> >
> >On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> >>On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Ely Levy wrote about "Re: open source law?":
> >>>OPEN SOURCE (not fs)
> >>
> >>Oh, let's not start this pointless and endless argument again :(
> >>There is no difference between "Open Source" (www.opensource.org)
> >>and "Free Software" (not copyleft!) licenses. These are two political
> >>camps, emphesizing different things - not two license types.
> >>
> >>If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
> >>
> >>See also http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/stallman.html
> >>where Stallman is admitting (surprise!):
> >>
> >> "...  "Free software" and "Open Source" describe the same category of
> >> software, more or less, but say different things about the software,
> >> and about values. The GNU Project continues to use the term "free
> >> software," to express the idea that freedom, not just technology, is
> >> important."
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what's going on with the list ?

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Hi there

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Re: rsync + ssh

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On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Michael Sternberg wrote about "rsync + ssh":
> Just wondering how rsync+ssh combination is working.
> Is it safe from security point of view ?

Yes, as much as ssh itself is secure.

> What overhead it introduces - is it quick enough ?

Yes again.

The overhead is unnoticable in anything but the fastest LAN, and even then
it's not big with today's CPUs.

But even on a lan, when you're trying to update a 3 GB directory from another
computer and only 10 files or so changed, using rsync instead of scp is
an increadible time saver (as it only copies the changed files, and in those
changed files only the parts that changed).

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On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Guy Cohen wrote about "Re: rsync + ssh":
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 05:39:42PM +0300, Michael Sternberg wrote:
> > 
> > Just wondering how rsync+ssh combination is working.
> 
> rsync -e ssh

or, since you'll probably always want to use rsync with ssh, not rsh (who
uses rsh anyway?), export in your environment RSYNC_RSH=ssh

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Re: what's going on with the list ?

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On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote about "RE: what's going on with the list ?":
> yeah, enough is enough! stop bombing my mailbox.
> calmly: as you gathered its happening here too.

It looks like someone on the list is looping it!
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Re: what's going on with the list ?

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] ?!?!?
How did you get into THAT email address..?
(it's a machine I'm in charge on)

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> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote about "RE: what's going on with the list ?":
> > yeah, enough is enough! stop bombing my mailbox.
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Re: open source law?

[Nadav Har'El]

It appears my posting, to which Ely replied to already, somehow got lost
in the ongoing mail loop in this list, and never appeared here. I'll try
to repost it again, I hope I don't annoy people too much (this will be hard,
after seeing the 50th copy of some routing question ;) ).

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Ely Levy wrote about "Re: open source law?":
> You are right I missed the part where OSI became stupid and immitated FSF
> it wasn't always like that AFAIK.
> > you are right OSI and FSF are the same, but opensource and fs are not the
> same by far.
> one require the program to be free one require the program to be giving
> with its sources.
> and altough OSI no longer know the diffrance law people does.
> they don't expect sun to give away solaris for free or ms to give windows
> for free they want to have the source code with it.
> even BSDI required license then suddenly they are not open source anymore?

No, BSDI was never called "open source" - it was a "source license".

As far as I know the term "open source" was invented by the same guys
running OSI ("open source initiative"). I don't remember that term being
used by anyone before them, though you are right, it might be understood
intuitively to have a different meaning, like "software which comes with
source, but you can't pass it around". This is one of the reasons that
Stallman objects to the term "open source", and one of the reasons it
was chosen in the first place (to a layman, who doesn't know what open
source really refers to, this phrase doesn't sound "communist").

In the 1999 "Open Sources" book (the Stallman quote I gave in the previous
email was from there) already discussed the "Open Source Definition", by
Bruce Perens, and it was essentially equivalent to the one they have now
on the site. The "OSI" never changed their minds or "became stupid".

If you misunderstood their "open source" definition, don't feel bad: that's
*Exactly* what Perens and his friends meant to do (see the "Remaking the meme"
chapter in O'Reilly's "Peer to Peer" book). They deliberately chose a term
that can be confused to mean something conservative and capitalistic,
instead of the term "free software" that is more easily confused (?) with
being communist, anti-business, anarchistic, left-wing liberal.


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RE: what's going on with the list ?

[Tzahi Fadida]

silence! i am trying to focus and try to see into the past. there i
see it! its a bosmat server. it could be that one of the students made a
mailing rule or something and forgot a computer open.


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> To: Nadav Har'El
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?!?!?
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> > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote about "RE: what's
> going on with the list ?":
> > > yeah, enough is enough! stop bombing my mailbox.
> > > calmly: as you gathered its happening here too.
> >
> > It looks like someone on the list is looping it!
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RE: what's going on with the list ?

[Adir Abraham]

On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Adir Abraham wrote:

> Have you got some base facts now, are you just trying to find black
or are you

And btw, aladdin is not a student, neither an active account.

> sheeps?
>
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote:
>
> > silence! i am trying to focus and try to see into the past. there i
> > see it! its a bosmat server. it could be that one of the students made a
> > mailing rule or something and forgot a computer open.
> >
> >
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> > > -Original Message-
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> > > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:04 AM
> > > To: Nadav Har'El
> > > Cc: Tzahi Fadida; Linux Mailing-List
> > > Subject: Re: what's going on with the list ?
> > >
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?!?!?
> > > How did you get into THAT email address..?
> > > (it's a machine I'm in charge on)
> > >
> > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote about "RE: what's
> > > going on with the list ?":
> > > > > yeah, enough is enough! stop bombing my mailbox.
> > > > > calmly: as you gathered its happening here too.
> > > >
> > > > It looks like someone on the list is looping it!
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], perhaps? (sorry if I'm
> > > blaming the innocent)
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> > > >
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Re: what's going on with the list ?

[Nadav Har'El]

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Ishai Parasol wrote about "what's going on with the list ?":
> Hi there
> 
> Am I the only one who get the messages 20 times each ?
> 
> Ishai.

I'm getting this loop too :( I hope someone stops it soon...

In the meantime, here's a trick for procmail users to get rid of those
duplicates: either filter my Message-Id:, or more simply: filter out
any linux-il message with more than one X-list: linux-il line!

The mailing list owner can perhaps add "X-list: linux-il" to the list of
taboo phrases for postings in this list, to get rid of this problem once
and for all.


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RE: what's going on with the list ?

[Tzahi Fadida]

First of all, get ur english straight. i can't see anywhere that i
mentioned you or someone at bosmat was guilty of something. "could be"
!= it is.
Also, i might add. that if u are incharge of their server farms i would
suggest that instead of trying to start a flame war against people who
are trying to help solve the problem, check to see if its true in the
morning.


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> -Original Message-
> From: Adir Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:53 AM
> To: Tzahi Fadida
> Cc: Linux Mailing-List
> Subject: RE: what's going on with the list ?
>
>
> Are you trying to make some conspiracy?
> Have you got some base facts now, are you just trying to find black
> sheeps?
>
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote:
>
> > silence! i am trying to focus and try to see into the
> past. there i
> > see it! its a bosmat server. it could be that one of the
> students made a
> > mailing rule or something and forgot a computer open.
> >
> >
> > * - * - *
> > Tzahi Fadida
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com
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> > > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:04 AM
> > > To: Nadav Har'El
> > > Cc: Tzahi Fadida; Linux Mailing-List
> > > Subject: Re: what's going on with the list ?
> > >
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?!?!?
> > > How did you get into THAT email address..?
> > > (it's a machine I'm in charge on)
> > >
> > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote about "RE: what's
> > > going on with the list ?":
> > > > > yeah, enough is enough! stop bombing my mailbox.
> > > > > calmly: as you gathered its happening here too.
> > > >
> > > > It looks like someone on the list is looping it!
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], perhaps? (sorry if I'm
> > > blaming the innocent)
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RE: what's going on with the list ?

[Adir Abraham]

Are you trying to make some conspiracy?
Have you got some base facts now, are you just trying to find black
sheeps?

On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote:

> silence! i am trying to focus and try to see into the past. there i
> see it! its a bosmat server. it could be that one of the students made a
> mailing rule or something and forgot a computer open.
>
>
> * - * - *
> Tzahi Fadida
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com
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> > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:04 AM
> > To: Nadav Har'El
> > Cc: Tzahi Fadida; Linux Mailing-List
> > Subject: Re: what's going on with the list ?
> >
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?!?!?
> > How did you get into THAT email address..?
> > (it's a machine I'm in charge on)
> >
> > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote about "RE: what's
> > going on with the list ?":
> > > > yeah, enough is enough! stop bombing my mailbox.
> > > > calmly: as you gathered its happening here too.
> > >
> > > It looks like someone on the list is looping it!
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], perhaps? (sorry if I'm
> > blaming the innocent)
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apache2 hebrew issue + solution

[Reuven M. Lerner]

> "Sagi" == Sagi Bashari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Sagi> Turns out that by default apache2 sends charset header
Sagi> itself, which is set to "ISO-8859-1". The strange thing is
Sagi> that the meta tags didn't override it.

Why is this strange?  The HTML standard says pretty clearly that meta
tags only work when the character set isn't explicitly named in the
HTTP header.  See section 5.2.2 in this document:

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/charset.html

Sagi> Fixing it is pretty easy, simply comment the
Sagi> "AddDefaultCharset" line in your httpd.conf.

Right -- if you remove the "charset" from the HTTP header, then the
meta tag will work.

Unfortunately, many Web designers in Israel think that meta tags are
the right way to indicate that a document contains Hebrew, which has
led to a lot of confusion over the years.

Reuven


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RE: what's going on with the list ?

[Adir Abraham]

I see.. then potentially any person is problematic (it could actually be
you as well). That's what I wanted to know. thanks.

On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote:

> First of all, get ur english straight. i can't see anywhere that i
> mentioned you or someone at bosmat was guilty of something. "could be"
> != it is.
> Also, i might add. that if u are incharge of their server farms i would
> suggest that instead of trying to start a flame war against people who
> are trying to help solve the problem, check to see if its true in the
> morning.
>
>
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> > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:53 AM
> > To: Tzahi Fadida
> > Cc: Linux Mailing-List
> > Subject: RE: what's going on with the list ?
> >
> >
> > Are you trying to make some conspiracy?
> > Have you got some base facts now, are you just trying to find black
> > sheeps?
> >
> > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote:
> >
> > > silence! i am trying to focus and try to see into the
> > past. there i
> > > see it! its a bosmat server. it could be that one of the
> > students made a
> > > mailing rule or something and forgot a computer open.
> > >
> > >
> > > * - * - *
> > > Tzahi Fadida
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:04 AM
> > > > To: Nadav Har'El
> > > > Cc: Tzahi Fadida; Linux Mailing-List
> > > > Subject: Re: what's going on with the list ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?!?!?
> > > > How did you get into THAT email address..?
> > > > (it's a machine I'm in charge on)
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote about "RE: what's
> > > > going on with the list ?":
> > > > > > yeah, enough is enough! stop bombing my mailbox.
> > > > > > calmly: as you gathered its happening here too.
> > > > >
> > > > > It looks like someone on the list is looping it!
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], perhaps? (sorry if I'm
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Re: apache2 hebrew issue + solution

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Reuven M. Lerner wrote:

> > "Sagi" == Sagi Bashari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[After Sagi upgraded to RH8.0, which includes apache 2]

>
>   Sagi> Turns out that by default apache2 sends charset header
>   Sagi> itself, which is set to "ISO-8859-1". The strange thing is
>   Sagi> that the meta tags didn't override it.
>
> Why is this strange?The HTML standard says pretty clearly that meta
> tags only work when the character set isn't explicitly named in the
> HTTP header.See section 5.2.2 in this document:
>
>   http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/charset.html
>
>   Sagi> Fixing it is pretty easy, simply comment the
>   Sagi> "AddDefaultCharset" line in your httpd.conf.
>
> Right -- if you remove the "charset" from the HTTP header, then the
> meta tag will work.
>
> Unfortunately, many Web designers in Israel think that meta tags are
> the right way to indicate that a document contains Hebrew, which has
> led to a lot of confusion over the years.

There are a number of incompatible ways to encode Hebrew (e.g:
ISO-8859-8/visual, cp1255/logical and UTF-8). So simply saying that the
language is Hebrew is not enough for the browser.

Normally it is easy for the web designer to control the html file, and
less simple to control the actual http header.

Setting a server-wide default to a certain charset is certainly not a wise
default. I would consider it a misconfiguration of RH's side.

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