ccache pitfall discovered
We've had a thread recently about ccache and potential pitfalls. johnm on advogato has discovered one such pitfall. The details: http://www.advogato.org/person/johnm/diary.html?start=23 *off to download the latest ccache and see if it's broken and how hard it is to fix* ObAdvogato: if any of you have accounts and I did not certify you yet, let me know - in private. -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sctrace strace /bin/foo http://syscalltrack.sf.net/ Quis custodes ipsos custodiet? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ccache pitfall discovered
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:11:50AM +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: We've had a thread recently about ccache and potential pitfalls. johnm on advogato has discovered one such pitfall. The details: http://www.advogato.org/person/johnm/diary.html?start=23 [Replying to myself. Oy Vey.] I couldn't reproduce johnm's results with ccache 1.9, so they should be treated with caution. If anyone manages to reproduce it, I would very much like to know. Thanks, Muli. -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sctrace strace /bin/foo http://syscalltrack.sf.net/ Quis custodes ipsos custodiet? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
looking for a redhat 8.0 cd
Hi Is there anyone in the Ra'anana / Kfar-saba area (or that hangs around tel-aviv university) that will trade the 3 first discs of redhat 8.0 for the media's cost (or 3 empty) ? If there is, please send me privatly your phone no. Thanks, Ishai. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ccache pitfall discovered
On 2002-10-29, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: We've had a thread recently about ccache and potential pitfalls. johnm on advogato has discovered one such pitfall. The details: http://www.advogato.org/person/johnm/diary.html?start=23 IIRC, ccache promises to produce the same results as the real compiler *only* if the compiler itself has not changed. And IIRC, the heuristic to know if the compiler has changed is simply to look at the timestamp of the compiler frontend executable. So if, for example, gas was upgraded, or something similar, ccache wil not know about it. So maybe it's a feature, not a bug. Just guessing, didn't try to reproduce it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ccache pitfall discovered
On 2002-10-29, Christoph Bugel wrote: On 2002-10-29, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: We've had a thread recently about ccache and potential pitfalls. johnm on advogato has discovered one such pitfall. The details: http://www.advogato.org/person/johnm/diary.html?start=23 IIRC, ccache promises to produce the same results as the real compiler *only* if the compiler itself has not changed. And IIRC, the heuristic to know if the compiler has changed is simply to look at the timestamp of the compiler frontend executable. So if, for example, gas was upgraded, or something similar, ccache wil not know about it. So maybe it's a feature, not a bug. Just guessing, didn't try to reproduce it. But this still doesn't explain the warning dated from august.. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: increasing the keyboard's responsiveness
Arie Folger wrote: Hi, When typing in kde apps, I feel that typing has definitely become more sluggish lately (as opposed to earlier versions). Does this mean that it's time to upgrade (need a new job, first) or is this tweakable? Arie Folger I noticed that if you disconnect a PS/2 keyboard and then reconnect it while the computer is running the typing will be come much slower under Linux (until the next reboot). But it also happens on console, not only KDE. Sagi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ccache pitfall discovered
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 29 October 2002 11:44, you wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:11:50AM +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: We've had a thread recently about ccache and potential pitfalls. johnm on advogato has discovered one such pitfall. The details: http://www.advogato.org/person/johnm/diary.html?start=23 [Replying to myself. Oy Vey.] Of course you can reproduce them. What he did is change his PATH and thus got a different tool chain. In our earlier thread we explicitly mentions that ANY change to your tool chain (compiler, preprocessor, assember, linker and WHATEVER they use to aid them in their work) requires a clearing the ccache cache. I consider this to be a known issue and not a real pitfall. A good developer SHOULD know when he's upgrading his tool chain (other tools like make will fail to recongnize such changes too which only means that at these times developer interaction is required). Cheers, Mark. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9vsc3xlxDIcceXTgRAmlGAJwOFBrjsvcIt+K45e3xWySpgYuF3QCgmTV/ ETiy091YdcwB9Gc9BVK0YGc= =OUGV -END PGP SIGNATURE- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: increasing the keyboard's responsiveness
On Tuesday 29 October 2002 07:18, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Arie Folger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When typing in kde apps, I feel that typing has definitely become more sluggish lately (as opposed to earlier versions). Does this mean that it's time to upgrade (need a new job, first) or is this tweakable? man kbdrate(8) kbdrate in the console. xset r rate in X. e.g. xset r rate 250 30 is my preferred setting (repeat delay 250, repeat rate 30). = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
upcoming java ssh2?
From the creators of WeirdX: http://www.jcraft.com/jsch/ version 0.0.6 of a java implementation of ssh2. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:tzafrir;technion.ac.il http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ccache pitfall discovered
On 2002-10-29, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:11:50AM +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: We've had a thread recently about ccache and potential pitfalls. johnm on advogato has discovered one such pitfall. The details: http://www.advogato.org/person/johnm/diary.html?start=23 [Replying to myself. Oy Vey.] I couldn't reproduce johnm's results with ccache 1.9, so they should be treated with caution. If anyone manages to reproduce it, I would very much like to know. I can't reproduce it, because when I compile code (gcc -c) I don't see any the use of `mktemp' is dangerous warning. I can only get this warning if I actually *link* some code. but ccache doesn't intervene with linking. I tried various gcc's (3.2, 3.04, 2.95), and all of them don't warn about mktemp at compile time.. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Timezone GMT+2 and Date behavior
Hi, I set the same timezone GMT+2 in three different machines, running the following O/S: Tru64 4.0D, Solaris 8, Linux RH 7.2 In order to get the time difference between the GMT+2 time and the UTC time, I just typed the date and date -u in all the three machines, and suprisingly, the UTC time in Linux and Solaris 8 is two hours MORE then the GMT+2 time. The Tru64 results with correct values (UTC time is two hours LESS then the GMT+2 time). Tru64 results: #date Tue Oct 29 19:09:22 GMT+0200 2002 #date -u Tue Oct 29 17:09:27 UTC 2002 Linux results: #date Tue Oct 29 19:09:40 GMT+2 2002 #date -u Tue Oct 29 21:09:45 UTC 2002 What is the reason for such differences?. Are there different UTC standards for Linux and Tru64? Any suggestion is appreciated. Avi Koski
Re: increasing the keyboard's responsiveness
On Tuesday 29 October 2002 00:42, guy keren wrote: what kind of hardware do you run this KDE on? myself, i use an AMD k6-2 with 256MB of RAM, and since KDE 2.X and beyond runs to slow, i switched to gnome 1.2 (RH 7.3). KDE became too bloated to run on this hardware. [please don't start flaming - i liked KDE's look better ;) ] AMD K-II 55MHz. KDE isn't too slow, just typing is. I remember from the bad old Windoze days that the responsiveness was very bad. Probably to make it more user friendly to those typing with their thumbs.grin Arie -- It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable. -- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian Mirror
Hello, children, I have played a bit with my disks and as a result I switched the 'ole Debian mirror to a 20 gigger. Therefore, I fulfill my long-standing promise and am adding the arm architechture to the mirror. Cheerio! -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Mirror
Quoth Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader: promise and am adding the arm architechture to the mirror. Errr, a nice endowment with an arm-based eval board would not be amiss ;-)... -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Mirror - a silly question...
Quoting Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader, from the post of Wed, 30 Oct: I have played a bit with my disks and as a result I switched the 'ole Debian mirror to a 20 gigger. Therefore, I fulfill my long-standing promise and am adding the arm architechture to the mirror. are there really more users of arm debian in Israel than Alpha debian or PPC? or Sparc for that matter? why arm of all architectures? :) -- East coast rapper Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. msg22965/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Mirror - a silly question...
Quoth Ira Abramov: are there really more users of arm debian in Israel than Alpha debian or PPC? or Sparc for that matter? why arm of all architectures? :) No one asked for Alpha, no one asked for PPC, some one did ask for ARM. -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upcoming java ssh2?
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: From the creators of WeirdX: http://www.jcraft.com/jsch/ version 0.0.6 of a java implementation of ssh2. I think it's great that these people port to Java applets any client of any client-server protocol (X, SSH, etc.). But there is still something that concerns me: It is known to any Java professional that the ideal protocol for Java applets (to communicate with a remote server) is HTTP (or HTTPS). SOAP was invented for this purpose. Web services are based on this rule. Even ICQ ships such an applet. The reason: Contrary to typical client-server sessions (which are used typically in LAN's and Intranets), Java applets are used by far users who connect to the server from the Internet; You don't have any idea where do they come from, what routers and firewalls they had to pass, etc. Yes, the backend servers still use non-HTTP protocols, but this is usually resolved by servers (or should I say proxies) that are put in the middle, access the backends as clients, while serving those applets as HTTP servers. Usually, these servers are even a part of the backend (so the backend serves both - its own original protocol, AND HTTP). Sometimes, all these proxies have to do is to tunnel the original protocol through HTTP/HTTPS. So the big question: Why, when it comes to important protocols such as SSH, X, IRC, VNC, etc., the applets must speak those protocols directly with the backend, and can't speak it over HTTP/HTTPS? Or it's possible? If yes, then how? -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO, Founder Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-23-7338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Mirror - a silly question...
I am asking for Alpha and Sparc ! :-) I have both and Debianized them. It's really slow to apt-get though (US mirror) Please add them if you can. --- Oleg Kobets Network Administrator Breakthrough LTD. 054-747132 03-6349922 Ext 26 Black hole is God divided by zero - Original Message - From: Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marc's Own Private List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: Re: Debian Mirror - a silly question... Quoth Ira Abramov: are there really more users of arm debian in Israel than Alpha debian or PPC? or Sparc for that matter? why arm of all architectures? :) No one asked for Alpha, no one asked for PPC, some one did ask for ARM. -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
