Re: makefile question
guy keren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Michael Sternberg wrote: > > > Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > > Use recursive make: > > > ppc: > > > $(MAKE) ARCH=PPC > > > > > > It does not work. > > Here is a simple makefile: > > > > ppc: > > @ $(MAKE) ARCH=PPC > > obviously, you did not read what oleg wrote - and modified his suggestion. > the above rule should instead be changed to: > > ppc: > @ $(MAKE) ARCH=PPC debug > > and the makefile should be invoked using: > > make ppc That will work, but I think the OP actually wanted to choose the "real" target to build, so hardwiring debug into the makefile is not what "works" for him. There is nothing wrong with setting the architecture on the command line for any "real" target, as I suggested in my other posting. > the other alternative (i forgot who wrote it) Me too ;-) > would also work (i.e. setting the variable on the command line when > running make, rather then in the makefile). -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: makefile question
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, guy keren wrote: > > Makefiles should not be medled with. if you try to do something > complicated - most likely you'll fail, cause the language that gmake (and > the commercial 'make' variants) supports - are very very limited. A chalange, then, ha? (reading the gnu-make manual) Well, the best I could find was: "target-spesific values" There is one more special feature of target-specific variables: when you define a target-specific variable, that variable value is also in effect for all prerequisites of this target (unless those prerequisites override it with their own target-specific variable value). So, for example, a statement like this: prog : CFLAGS = -g prog : prog.o foo.o bar.o will set `CFLAGS' to `-g' in the command script for `prog', but it will also set `CFLAGS' to `-g' in the command scripts that create `prog.o', `foo.o', and `bar.o', and any command scripts which create their prerequisites. So how about: ppc: ARC=PPC ppc: release release: ifeq ($(ARCH),PPC) (is that the right syntax?) The problem is that 'release' has to be a pre-requirement of ppc. But then-again, recursive makes are not much nicer. Another minor problem is that this is surely gnu-make specific. (OTOH, makefiles are indeed confusing and difficult to debug) -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: makefile question
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Michael Sternberg wrote: > Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > Use recursive make: > > ppc: > > $(MAKE) ARCH=PPC > > > It does not work. > Here is a simple makefile: > > ppc: > @ $(MAKE) ARCH=PPC obviously, you did not read what oleg wrote - and modified his suggestion. the above rule should instead be changed to: ppc: @ $(MAKE) ARCH=PPC debug and the makefile should be invoked using: make ppc the other alternative (i forgot who wrote it) would also work (i.e. setting the variable on the command line when running make, rather then in the makefile). Makefiles should not be medled with. if you try to do something complicated - most likely you'll fail, cause the language that gmake (and the commercial 'make' variants) supports - are very very limited. -- guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SOLUTION: dvd player*s* show twice same half screen
I did not try reinstalling RH7.3, but got it right anyway, although only with mplayer. The problem (for future reference, for google searches): I installed xine, videolan::client (vlc), ogle and mplayer, all from freshrpms.net, all for RedHat 8.0. All dependency problems where solved. However, when I tried to play DVDs, instead of getting a normal image, I saw only half the image. The half image was displayed twice, in the same window, and the two copies where of differing quality. All DVD playing software mentioned above showed the same problem. The reason: Somehow they all try to display using the XV video output driver, which, on my machine, seems not to work (I am eager to know if yours works and if you know why mine doesn't). The SOLUTION: copy /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/trident_drv.o (or whatever driver you use. The problem seems restricted to the trident card) from a RH7.3 partition to your RH8.0 system. Note: the problem has been diagnosed on Gentoo as well, so it is not a RH only issue. Thank Chris Frey for the solution. Arie Folger = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: You asked - we do !
I'll definately be attending. However, I'd like to suggest re-arranging the priorities a little :-) Seems more logical, at least to me, to have printing and hardware issues before development and the web server thing. Just a thought... Eli 04/12/02 13:57:24, Eddie Aronovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Following some requests for lectures about Linux at Tel-Aviv University ( >Ariel Biner & Didi Bar-David talked about it over the mailing list) - it >comes to be true. > >For now there are lectures planned once on 2 weeks, on Mondays. >The coming lectures appear on the web site: >http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/lin-club/ > >Ideas are welcomed. >The lectures are open for all. >According to the number of participants further activities would be >planned. > >C U >Eddie > > >= >To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with >the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command >echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones.." - Dire Straits - "Brothers in Arms" = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: You asked - we do !
feasible for anybody in the private sector. If it was moved even a half hour forward it would be more reasonable - allows one to get out of work and get to TAU, if one is in TA/RG. A full hour forward is even better, so that I don't have to miss my Discrete Math lecture :-) Alexander (aka Sasha) Maryanovsky. At 14:11 04.12.2002 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Eddie Aronovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > For now there are lectures planned once on 2 weeks, on Mondays. At 18:00. Darn. I've been wishing to attend regular linux lectures, but you know, not all Linux enthusiasts are unemployed. 18:00 on a weekday is not feasible for anybody in the private sector. If it was moved even a half hour forward it would be more reasonable - allows one to get out of work and get to TAU, if one is in TA/RG. Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: You asked - we do !
Quoting Eddie Aronovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > For now there are lectures planned once on 2 weeks, on Mondays. At 18:00. Darn. I've been wishing to attend regular linux lectures, but you know, not all Linux enthusiasts are unemployed. 18:00 on a weekday is not feasible for anybody in the private sector. If it was moved even a half hour forward it would be more reasonable - allows one to get out of work and get to TAU, if one is in TA/RG. Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: makefile question
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > Use recursive make: > ppc: > $(MAKE) ARCH=PPC It does not work. Here is a simple makefile: ppc: @ $(MAKE) ARCH=PPC debug: @ echo performing $@ build for $ARCH release: @ echo performing $@ build for $ARCH I run it with "make ppc debug" and wait to see "performing debug build for PPC" Instead it enters non-stopping loop... = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: makefile question
Michael Sternberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I run it with "make ppc debug" and wait to see > "performing debug build for PPC" I misunderstood your question. It's simpler, actually: make debug ARCH=PPC will work - what's wrong with that? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Payed Linux installers wanted
Who is paying for this? (sorry, the start of the thread didn't get to my mailbox) I will gladly except this work. Please see my references at http://www.uadm.com On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:45:00PM +0200, Orna Agmon wrote: > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Max K. wrote: > > > On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > During last Linux instaparty, one of the (only) people who came took the > > > RedHat 8.0 CDs, but did not have a computer ready. She asked whether we > > if it's a she, i think there won't be a problem to find a hundred of > > volunteers. > > say no more. > > > > There is an added value for payed work: responsibility. > > There may be > hundreds of volunteers who are willing to come for a day of instaparty, > and leave the person to deal with his/her problems later on in the regular > manner in the linux community. But some people prefer to pay in order to > verify that the service they get is not "charity" or "voluntary work", but > a service they deserve to get. > > It is not a matter of "but now linux is so simple to install". Some people > would pay someone to get their other-OS machine to work, as well. They > either do not want or cannot bother with that. (Really, some people think > operating systems are just a tool!) > > So having available payed service-providers is the only way for the > person who is not a "computer person" to be willing to trust the linux > operating system: when one's money can provide the service. > > and no, it is not improper to charge for linux related work. it is just > work. > > -- > Orna. | http://tx.technion.ac.il/~agmon > > A cat has claws at the end of its paws. > A sentence has a pause at the end of its clause. > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.uadm.com | Local and Remote Unix/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Administration. No outsourcing. Phone: +972 3 6201373 | Security, Installations, Support http://www.uadm.com/pgp.key | Upgrades and Maintenance. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Payed Linux installers wanted
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Max K. wrote: > On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > During last Linux instaparty, one of the (only) people who came took the > > RedHat 8.0 CDs, but did not have a computer ready. She asked whether we > if it's a she, i think there won't be a problem to find a hundred of > volunteers. > say no more. > There is an added value for payed work: responsibility. There may be hundreds of volunteers who are willing to come for a day of instaparty, and leave the person to deal with his/her problems later on in the regular manner in the linux community. But some people prefer to pay in order to verify that the service they get is not "charity" or "voluntary work", but a service they deserve to get. It is not a matter of "but now linux is so simple to install". Some people would pay someone to get their other-OS machine to work, as well. They either do not want or cannot bother with that. (Really, some people think operating systems are just a tool!) So having available payed service-providers is the only way for the person who is not a "computer person" to be willing to trust the linux operating system: when one's money can provide the service. and no, it is not improper to charge for linux related work. it is just work. -- Orna. | http://tx.technion.ac.il/~agmon A cat has claws at the end of its paws. A sentence has a pause at the end of its clause. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You asked - we do !
Following some requests for lectures about Linux at Tel-Aviv University ( Ariel Biner & Didi Bar-David talked about it over the mailing list) - it comes to be true. For now there are lectures planned once on 2 weeks, on Mondays. The coming lectures appear on the web site: http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/lin-club/ Ideas are welcomed. The lectures are open for all. According to the number of participants further activities would be planned. C U Eddie = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: makefile question
Michael Sternberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would like to set up a taget in a makefile that will only define > some variable, and it will be used in the next target, Use recursive make: ppc: $(MAKE) ARCH=PPC -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: makefile question
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Michael Sternberg wrote: > > I would like to set up a taget in a makefile that will only define > some variable, and it will be used in the next target, something > like this: > > ppc : > ARCH = PPC > Won't autoconf be better for this specific need? Autoconf can detect your architecture and create your makefile accordingly, so that if you are compiling on a PPC, in release you would have the proper actions. -- Orna. | http://tx.technion.ac.il/~agmon A cat has claws at the end of its paws. A sentence has a pause at the end of its clause. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
makefile question
I would like to set up a taget in a makefile that will only define some variable, and it will be used in the next target, something like this: ppc : ARCH = PPC release: ifeq ($(ARCH),PPC) echo start ppc compiler with ppc flags else echo do something else endif And I would like to start make with "make ppc release". Tried to dig in make's "info", only thing I found appropriate is "Target-specific Variable Values". I tried as suggested: ppc : ARCH = PPC : release : ifeq ($(ARCH),PPC) echo start ppc compiler with ppc flags else echo do something else endif It gives me "*** commands commence before first target. Stop." make version is 3.79.1 GNU Make, i386 platform. Thanks for help, Michael. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Payed Linux installers wanted
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Also, do you really want to start dealing with the IRS (mas-hachnasa) ? cause something tells me you will, eventually ... I can see mas-hachnasa supina-ing his records, or interogating him. I certainly do not see how Shachar or the list (which is not a legal entity as far as I can tell) can be held responsible for financial transactions that occur as a consequence of a posting. This is no different from me telling you - by email, personally, or on the phone - that I know a good plumber who can fix your sink. yes, but if you introduce yourself as a member of "the plumbers' organization in Israel" that means you're introducing yourself as an expert and that may put some responsibility on you. Especially if this is a database given as a part of linux-il activities. Now, please note that there is a "Consultants" database of IGLU. If it is out of date no one but ourselves is to blame. The rest of the thread has grown way off-topic. not off-topic, perhaps far-fetched. IIUC Sh.Sh. is proposing this as a part of linux-il activity. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Payed Linux installers wanted
Guy Baruch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Also, do you really want to start dealing with the IRS (mas-hachnasa) ? > cause something tells me you will, eventually ... I certainly do not see how Shachar or the list (which is not a legal entity as far as I can tell) can be held responsible for financial transactions that occur as a consequence of a posting. This is no different from me telling you - by email, personally, or on the phone - that I know a good plumber who can fix your sink. Whoever provides an installation (tartei mashm'a) service for a fee should be able to write a proper receipt and should pay his/her taxes. That has nothing to do with the manner in which the service provider and the customer learned about each other. Now, please note that there is a "Consultants" database of IGLU. If it is out of date no one but ourselves is to blame. The rest of the thread has grown way off-topic. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Payed Linux installers wanted
I may be a bit paranoid here, but I think there may be implications you're not aware of. what is some criminal element takes advantage of this list ? (wether sex or property crime, or even terrorists; remember the poor 16-yr old who got seduced to ramalla thru the internet, and then murdered.) Apart from the damage to the victim, this could black-image the whole community, and perhaps also involve you personally in police enquiries or even civil lawsuits. Also, do you really want to start dealing with the IRS (mas-hachnasa) ? cause something tells me you will, eventually ... my suggestion is: keep the installations public and non-commercial, as in insta-parties. If anyone wants to make non-formal buisness, there's always mouth to ear. -- just FUD for thought from the amature paranoid. Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi all, During last Linux instaparty, one of the (only) people who came took the RedHat 8.0 CDs, but did not have a computer ready. She asked whether we could come over and install the computer for her on a later date (for a fee). I said /I/ couldn't, but I was willing to be a go-between and find out for her. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Payed Linux installers wanted
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Max K. wrote: > On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > During last Linux instaparty, one of the (only) people who came took the > > RedHat 8.0 CDs, but did not have a computer ready. She asked whether we > > if it's a she, i think there won't be a problem to find a hundred of > volunteers. > say no more. No. This is specifically a request for *payed* help. I don't think that it was relevant to whether this was a he or a she. Are you going to offer your services? (If anyone reads any sexual hintings from what I wrote: read again) -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Payed Linux installers wanted
> Max K. wrote: > >if it's a she, i think there won't be a problem to find a hundred of >volunteers. >say no more. OH look! Max has got a willie! Way to go, Max. You are a truly Israeli male. -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Payed Linux installers wanted
Max K. wrote: if it's a she, i think there won't be a problem to find a hundred of volunteers. say no more. I seriously considered masking the fact that it's a "she" to prevent precisely these kind of remarks. I think we had enough bad taste and self humiliation the last time this subject came up. Please, let's keep this proffesional. So far I got three people, one without a phone number, one without a car and who lives a little too far, and one who is leaving the country in a few weeks. If the purpose was to create a database of people who are capable of helping out beyond this particular job (yes, I know, this one's a "she", grow up), it's a start but no more. What I would like to have is a list ready for the next instaparty, where if the need arises again, I can just give the person a list. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Payed Linux installers wanted
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Hi all, > > During last Linux instaparty, one of the (only) people who came took the > RedHat 8.0 CDs, but did not have a computer ready. She asked whether we if it's a she, i think there won't be a problem to find a hundred of volunteers. say no more. > could come over and install the computer for her on a later date (for a > fee). I said /I/ couldn't, but I was willing to be a go-between and find > out for her. > > So, is there anyone here from the center area who wants and is capable > to help out with this? Please email me with your details (including > phone number), and I'll pass it on to her. > > Please remeber - while this is a great opertunity to make some money > (I'll leave the "how much money" to negotiations between you and her), > you had better make a decent job of it, both in terms of initial > installation, and in term of future support. :-) > > Shachar > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe| mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
