Re: Ext3 non-contiguous?

2003-01-25 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 10:43:29PM +0200, Amichai Rotman wrote:
> Hi Gang,
> 
> What does the underscored part mean? 
> 
> /dev/hda1: 15/262144 files _(13.3% non-contiguous)_, 188432/524112 blocks
> 
> This is an Ext3 FS, and, as I can remember, the Extended FSs don't need 
> defragmentation.
> 
> As you can see, the above example is quite fragmanted.
> 
> I try to RTFM about it, but was unsuccessful in finding any related 
> information... It is my understanding that Extended FileSystems do not need 
> to be defragmented.
> 
> Can someone point me to any relevant Dox / URLs I can get answers from?

man defrag
(apt-get in Debian, others STFW?).

Didi

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> TIA,
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> Amichai.
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Re: spam mail filter

2003-01-25 Thread Daniel Vainsencher
But really, in summary - who cares about retribution. Just get a
bayesian filter, they work VERY well, they subsume most other related
techniques in there (a white list is formed automatically, for example),
and it doesn't require much thought.

It's not perfect, so make sure you do go over all spam-marked mail to
catch those rare false-positives.

BTW, they're even very easy to code. Someone added the one I use to my
mail client in a 16K patch. This includes the filter, the GUI changes,
persistance for the token lists, everything. Of course, since it is written
in Smalltalk, implementation in most other languaged might be
significantly longer... :-)

Daniel

David Harel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Daniel Vainsencher wrote:
> 
> > Are you kidding? this would -
> > Of course, the problem is someone would have to BE this
> > central authority, and we'd have to trust it not to misuse all of our
> > addresses...
> 
> What about spamcop:  http://spamcop.net/
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Daniel
> > PS - Not David Harel of Weizmann fame, I presume...
> 
> No. Unfortunatly not that famous one. I am the everyday David Harel.
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> >
> >
> > David Harel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > >
> > > Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
> > >
> > > > DV>> you don't get non-spam html comments, eventually y name is Rimma,
> > > > etc. etc.
> > >
> > > A dumb question. Do you take any measures against the sender of such a spam
> > > message like complaining to authorities ?
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > just landed in my spam box today. My bogofilter spam filter killed it, I
> > > > even don't know what exactly it didn't like. Maybe it was server name or
> > > > HTML or from address or something else. The beauty of it is that I don't
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Ext3 non-contiguous?

2003-01-25 Thread Amichai Rotman
Hi Gang,

What does the underscored part mean? 

/dev/hda1: 15/262144 files _(13.3% non-contiguous)_, 188432/524112 blocks

This is an Ext3 FS, and, as I can remember, the Extended FSs don't need 
defragmentation.

As you can see, the above example is quite fragmanted.

I try to RTFM about it, but was unsuccessful in finding any related 
information... It is my understanding that Extended FileSystems do not need 
to be defragmented.

Can someone point me to any relevant Dox / URLs I can get answers from?

TIA,

Amichai.




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Re: on web learning(high learning) help request

2003-01-25 Thread Ely Levy
>   I couldn't get the importance of the problem from your post. Is it
> something that is already widely implemented or is it some buzz words
> system that someone is trying to sell? Are you sure this is not another
> (revolutionary technology)^+ system that the best way to deal with it is
> by ignoring it altogether? Can you tell who is behind this system? Are

Yea I'm sure,
between thier edu costumers are UoH TAU BIU IUCC HUJI CET and mofet
also serveral banks and big companies uses this system already,
that preety much every big universaty in israel beside the technion
and huji haifa and tau seems to share resources on trying to make it work.

> there local Israeli people that are trying to push it forward? Is there
> an Hebrew content? Who is the target users of the system (elementary
> school students, college students, both)? How much money is required, if

It's an israeli company called britannica (www.britannica-ks.com).
It's seems that now it's aimed to cooperate(with bareket) and to
universaties/collages with high learning I guess then it's only a matter
of time before entering schools if it's successful *shrug*

> at all, to get such a system running? How much effort does one need in
> order to customize the system for the local content? Is there anything
I don't know,
Thier page doesn't have prices as far as I could see,

> else beside Active X that prevents it from running on non IE software?
a bit broken java scripting maybe..
not much more that I could see..

>   What is huji official view regarding this matter? Perhaps the best
> course of action is first to persuade huji to accept your opinion.

The official view is that it suppose to work only on ie 5.5+
so say the support page, I sent a few letters to the support there
and it seems that fixing it to work on other browsers is not on their
side.

>   Maybe the issue should be brought to the public attention? By this I
> mean trying to get the local papers (KOL HAEAR and the others) to write
> about it, Zombit, etc.
huh?
what does that got to do with anything?why would anyone be intrested?
I think that a bad idea, even beside concidering the fact I'm employ at
huji and wish to stay that way. I think starting with more peacefull
solutions, are there other people who learn at universaty and need to use
this system?

>   Be aware that huji may consider the publication undesirable and since
> it is your employer you will have to think about it. On the other hand,
> huji is also a university and as such it should encourage open
> discussion of various issues.

I don't think they would,
If anyone else who learn in universaty wish to take it to the media
please don't me in any way...

>   Do note that I am only trying to discuss this course of action. I
> don't know if I support it myself. One way of achieving things is acting
> quietly. For example, why should the huji cs department drew public
> attention to the fact that it doesn't give its *CS* students access to
> the popular OS at the university computers? In addition, the fact that
> you are trying hard to get something on the media doesn't mean that it
> will indeed get published. And even if it will get published, sporadic
> references to free software might cause more damage then benefit since
> it might get to be something which does not deserve serious attention
> (A KOORYOSE). But on the other hand, maybe not?

I still don't understand what the media got to do with anything..


Ely


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Re: People n' computers interest groups - help wanted

2003-01-25 Thread Eli Marmor
> by the way - where are these meetings going to take place (i assume
> somewhere in gush dan)?

Dan Panorama, of course.

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Re: spam mail filter

2003-01-25 Thread shlomo solomon
> >  /usr/bin/spamassassin -a -D -l /tmp/spam_assassin.log

Further to my previous post, I set up the log as Amit suggested, but after 
getting 5 e-mails (2 spam and 3 from IGLU), I see that the log, in fact, 
contains only a copy of the e-mails before processing by SpamAssassin. I 
don't see anything that would be of any help in determining why performance 
(speed) is so poor for me. I looked at the man page, and it seems that that's 
exactly what -l does. The man page doesn't say where -D (debug) information 
get written.

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Re: spam mail filter

2003-01-25 Thread shlomo solomon
On Friday 24 January 2003 16:38, Amit Margalit wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I hate to ask the obvious things, but did you use 'razor-admin' to
> register a user/pass pair with Razor2 ?
No, I didn't. If I correctly understood the man page, this is only necessary 
if you want to report spam, and at least for the present, I don't.

> Can you run SpamAssassin with Razor with some extra logging options and
> send the results? For example, call SpamAssassin from .procmailrc like
>
> this:
> :0fw
> :
> | /usr/bin/spamassassin -a -D -l /tmp/spam_assassin.log

I will try this and send the log- after moving the SpamAssassin filter back up 
to the top. BTW, as I think I wrote, I run SpamAssassin from a KMail filter 
and not from procmail, but I don't think this is a problem. In fact, I don't 
run procmail at all, unless of course KMail calls procmail in the background, 
but I don't think it does. Am I wrong?

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RE: the internet is attacked...again

2003-01-25 Thread Tzahi Fadida
you can use a dns local cache server like i do.
http://freshmeat.net/projects/pdnsd/?topic_id=149

you won't even feel any slowdown, if there is any, 99% of the time.


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> 
> On Saturday 25 January 2003 16:53, Michael Stolovitzsky wrote:
> > On Saturday 25 January 2003 15:57, Amir Tal wrote:
> > > using MS-SQL in your organization ? be aware !
> > > http://www.whatsup.org.il/article.php?sid=906
> > >
> > > and expect a call from your boss during the weekend ;)
> >
> > Freenode people have created a monitoring team that is in #internet-weather
> > on irc.freenode.net
> >
> > So far it seems that root servers are recovering from the assault, and
> > backbones are getting their act together. We'll see how it develops in a
> > couple of hours 
> 
> looks like a few servers are suffering there to 
> irc.inter.net.il is dead, and netvision's primary DNS (194.90.1.5) is sluggish 
> to.. 
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Re: spam mail filter

2003-01-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Stanislav Malyshev wrote:


DH>> > Are you kidding? this would -
DH>> > Of course, the problem is someone would have to BE this
DH>> > central authority, and we'd have to trust it not to misuse all of our
DH>> > addresses...
DH>>
DH>> What about spamcop:  http://spamcop.net/

I once tried to understand how they are filtering the mail and what
exactly are their procedures from both sides - i.e., what algorithms they
use to filter mail?


Not sure about their mail filtering.


How can I configure it?


At the very least, you have a white list. not sure what more.


What they do on spam complain
(that one I know - they send mail something like 'someone reported your
mail as spam' to the apparent source - which works like charm to annoy
maintainers of legitimate commercial mailing lists and would not bother
any hardcore spammer since they forge their headers or use throw-away
accounts on ISPs with overloaded triple-automated abuse@ addresses)?


You ask, and then answer incorrectly :-)
They send their reports to the upstream ISPs from the place the spam 
originated. They have pretty impressive algorithms to handle forged 
headers too. They scan the list of forwarders until it breaks (i.e. - 
until they reach a link that is impossible), and then they assume that's 
the real IP address and act accordingly.

How
do they resolve conflicts and what is their position on various
op-in/opt-out/double-opt-in issues?


Once I got a complaint from someone on a real opt-in list I was involved 
with. I just sent the list's address, and showed how the opt-in took 
place, and never heard from them again.

Their policy is pretty strict. If you report a list you did opt-in on, 
you are penalized. This can get as far as revoking your account. They 
take their false positives just as seriously as their false negatives. 
Also, they are real spam fighters. The fact that the mail calims that 
you opt-in does not really bother them.

I could not find any information on
this. Probably I didn't look hard enough - or they didn't work hard enough
to make their info accessible.


That depends on whether you have seen 
http://spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/1.html and found it dissatisfactory.

And without this info I don't see in them
any added value to my personal filter.
 

I have been a sporadic user of their free service, and I actually found 
on occasions that it managed to reduce the amounts of spam I get. I 
don't get enough spams to warrant a spam filter (will probably change now).

   Shachar



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Re: the internet is attacked...again.

2003-01-25 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Hetz Ben Hamo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > looks like a few servers are suffering there to.
> > irc.inter.net.il is dead, and netvision's primary DNS (194.90.1.5) is
> > sluggish to...
> 
> IRC of Internet Zahav had problems since thursday. I don't have any problems 
> with 194.90.1.5...

I don't have any noticeable DNS problems with 194.90.1.5 either, but I
see an awful lot (every second) of unauthorized connection attempts to
port 4662 (caught and logged by my firewall) of my home
network. Google says it's some peer-to-peer service called edonkey...

Apparently unreloated to the latest worm, unless anyone knows
something I don't.

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Re: the internet is attacked...again.

2003-01-25 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
> looks like a few servers are suffering there to.
> irc.inter.net.il is dead, and netvision's primary DNS (194.90.1.5) is
> sluggish to...

IRC of Internet Zahav had problems since thursday. I don't have any problems 
with 194.90.1.5...

THanks,
Hetz

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Re: spam mail filter

2003-01-25 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
DH>> > Are you kidding? this would -
DH>> > Of course, the problem is someone would have to BE this
DH>> > central authority, and we'd have to trust it not to misuse all of our
DH>> > addresses...
DH>>
DH>> What about spamcop:  http://spamcop.net/

I once tried to understand how they are filtering the mail and what
exactly are their procedures from both sides - i.e., what algorithms they
use to filter mail? How can I configure it? What they do on spam complain
(that one I know - they send mail something like 'someone reported your
mail as spam' to the apparent source - which works like charm to annoy
maintainers of legitimate commercial mailing lists and would not bother
any hardcore spammer since they forge their headers or use throw-away
accounts on ISPs with overloaded triple-automated abuse@ addresses)? How
do they resolve conflicts and what is their position on various
op-in/opt-out/double-opt-in issues? I could not find any information on
this. Probably I didn't look hard enough - or they didn't work hard enough
to make their info accessible. And without this info I don't see in them
any added value to my personal filter.

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Re: the internet is attacked...again.

2003-01-25 Thread Amir Tal
On Saturday 25 January 2003 16:53, Michael Stolovitzsky wrote:
> On Saturday 25 January 2003 15:57, Amir Tal wrote:
> > using MS-SQL in your organization ? be aware !
> > http://www.whatsup.org.il/article.php?sid=906
> >
> > and expect a call from your boss during the weekend ;)
>
> Freenode people have created a monitoring team that is in #internet-weather
> on irc.freenode.net
>
> So far it seems that root servers are recovering from the assault, and
> backbones are getting their act together. We'll see how it develops in a
> couple of hours.

looks like a few servers are suffering there to.
irc.inter.net.il is dead, and netvision's primary DNS (194.90.1.5) is sluggish 
to...

tal.


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the internet is attacked...again.

2003-01-25 Thread Amir Tal
using MS-SQL in your organization ? be aware !
http://www.whatsup.org.il/article.php?sid=906

and expect a call from your boss during the weekend ;)

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Re: People n' computers interest groups - help wanted

2003-01-25 Thread guy keren

On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote:

> Second, I am looking for content for the programming interest group. I 
> have a suggestion for a lecture about Perl, and another about kernel 
> programming. I'm looking for more people interested in sharing their 
> insights.

i presume these interest groups are going to have their meetings instead 
of the non-existing meetings of linux-il (not including various 'special 
events')?

by the way - where are these meetings going to take place (i assume 
somewhere in gush dan)?

at what intervals (every other week? every month? every two month?)

this info is important if people from far areas are going to get there 
'regularly'.

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Red Hat phoebe2 report

2003-01-25 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hello People,

I have played with Red Hat phoebe2 last night and tonight, and from what seems 
right now - you really want to hold yourself before upgrading to it..

There are LOTS of applications which will break due to the newer and (sort of) 
incompatible glibc and the new NPTL implementation. Playing the 
LD_ASSUME_KERNEL seems not helping any more here..

Here are some of the applications that I tried which cannot run:

* Sun's and IBM's JRE and JDK - you'll need to upgrade to 1.4.1 to make it 
work.

* Nvidia drivers - seems like NVidia did some tricks with their driver to get 
an excellent performance, and it seems they use segment registers in their 
stuff, which, accidently runs against the NPTL - guess who wins?

* Wine/WineX/Crossover [any product] - dies immediately..

There are few other applications that I'm not sure if they don't run because 
of phoebe2 or my (salad mix based) installation..

In short - stay away from it right now... 

Thanks,
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Re: spam mail filter

2003-01-25 Thread David Harel


Daniel Vainsencher wrote:

> Are you kidding? this would -
> Of course, the problem is someone would have to BE this
> central authority, and we'd have to trust it not to misuse all of our
> addresses...

What about spamcop:  http://spamcop.net/


>
>
> Daniel
> PS - Not David Harel of Weizmann fame, I presume...

No. Unfortunatly not that famous one. I am the everyday David Harel.

>
>
> David Harel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
> >
> > > DV>> you don't get non-spam html comments, eventually y name is Rimma,
> > > etc. etc.
> >
> > A dumb question. Do you take any measures against the sender of such a spam
> > message like complaining to authorities ?
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > just landed in my spam box today. My bogofilter spam filter killed it, I
> > > even don't know what exactly it didn't like. Maybe it was server name or
> > > HTML or from address or something else. The beauty of it is that I don't
> > > care - it did its job.
> > > --
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People n' computers interest groups - help wanted

2003-01-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Hi list,

I need help on two fronts. First, the home users interest group needs a 
moderator. If anyone from this list is interested, please let me know.

Second, I am looking for content for the programming interest group. I 
have a suggestion for a lecture about Perl, and another about kernel 
programming. I'm looking for more people interested in sharing their 
insights.

   Thanks,
   Shachar



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Re: spam mail filter

2003-01-25 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
DV>> OTOH, what we could do, is that after we confirm it's spam (my
DV>> MUA simply files it automatically away. The folder is emptied
DV>> with the trash folder), the mail could be forwarded to some
DV>> central authority, for further use in making life hard for the
DV>> originating spammers.

Well, if there were such autority and it would be effective enough to be
of any use and selective enough to distinguish between "someone who I
don't know sent me a spam" and "I subscribed to commercial mailing list
but forgot about this and now I think it's a spam" - it would be nice. But
I personally doubt this is possible even in theory, let alone in practice.

And I let alone the question of trust, which would inevitable arise - look
at the "spam blockers" battles where whole networks landed in the
blackhole lists just because somebody's egos and personal views on how to
deal with spam clashed.
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Re: spam mail filter

2003-01-25 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
DH>> > My name is Rimma,
DH>> > etc. etc.
DH>>
DH>> A dumb question. Do you take any measures against the sender of such a spam
DH>> message like complaining to authorities ?

No. As I mentioned, I have about 50 (low spam day) to 100 (spammer carnage
day) spams per day. Complaining about each of them would take too much
time, especially that most of the complaints, by my experience, in the
best case would lead to closing spammer account - which is not a
punishment even if it was the paid account, since the account price is
anyway included in the spam distribution costs (and is about $10 anyway)
and the spammer knows beforehand that the account will be closed. For free
mail account, it doesn't even cost him a dime. Before you ask, no, I don't
know the solution, so I do what I can - I protect myself.

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Re: GRUB problem ?

2003-01-25 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 02:27:42AM +0200, nir kugman wrote:
> Hi all,
> Well I have WinXP & RH8 on my HD.
> I installed on my MBR GRUB with 2 entries
> BUT !!! I wonted to clone the disk on a bigger one with guest 8 but some how when I 
>boot I only see the message 'GRUB' on my screen.
> How can I reinstall GRUB ???
> Thank you.

Boot with the RH installation CD 'linux rescue' (or some other rescue
CD/floppy), mount your root/boot (RH rescue does that automatically),
and run
grub-install --root-directory yourrootdirectory /dev/hda
replace yourrootdirectory with it (e.g. I think the RH rescue mounts
it on /sysimage).

Didi

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