RE: Good Linux book for MS sysadmin
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Sternberg Sent: Monday, 28 February, 2005 16:46 What book on modern Linux administration you will recommend to a seasoned Windows system administrator ? No answers at all ?? Maybe I did not asked right: Our sysadmin (never used Linux before) will have from now to support two-three Linux servers. The servers will be used for development. So he came to me asking about good book that will help him in this task.. What can you recommend ? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good Linux book for MS sysadmin
Linux Administration - A Beginner's Guide by Steven Graham and Steve Shah is aimed at strong Windows users who know something about the Windows networking environment (from their intro). My copy is the third edition, which is from 2003, so it's a little old. I'm not a system administrator, I got it to fill in gaps in my knowledge. I found it useful. Alan Michael Sternberg wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Sternberg Sent: Monday, 28 February, 2005 16:46 What book on modern Linux administration you will recommend to a seasoned Windows system administrator ? No answers at all ?? Maybe I did not asked right: Our sysadmin (never used Linux before) will have from now to support two-three Linux servers. The servers will be used for development. So he came to me asking about good book that will help him in this task.. What can you recommend ? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alan Yaniger Tk Open Systems begin:vcard fn:Alan Yaniger n:Yaniger;Alan email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Good Linux book for MS sysadmin
Quoting Alan Yaniger, from the post of Tue, 01 Mar: Linux Administration - A Beginner's Guide by Steven Graham and Steve Shah is aimed at strong Windows users who know something about the Windows networking environment (from their intro). My copy is the third edition, which is from 2003, so it's a little old. I'm not a system administrator, I got it to fill in gaps in my knowledge. I found it useful. I learned all that I know with my own two fingers and ten eyes, so I'm not really knowledgeable about which book is better, however from some online searching I see most fingers (and Amazon reviews and sales rank) pointing at Linux in a nutshell: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxnut4/ Contents include: * Programming, system administration, networking, and user commands with complete lists of options * GRUB, LILO, and Loadlin bootloaders * Shell syntax and variables for the bash, csh, and tcsh shells * Pattern matching * Emacs, vi, and vim editing commands * sed and gawk commands * The GNOME and KDE desktops and the fvwm2 window manager * Red Hat and Debian package managers And if I'm not mistaken, an older edition of it was even translated to Hebrew (heaven forbid). What's more, I think there's an Israeli importer of O'Reiley that sells books at discount to members of Hamakor. I can't remember the name at the moment (they were the ones who gave away the prize books at AP3 if memory serves). I think I'll buy one even if to use as a loan copy to all the firends I'm trying to convert :) -- The greatest story ever told Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CPU idle / iowait
Kfir Lavi wrote: First, if you going to dump the AMD... I'm catching ;) Nope :P AMD is Great !!! and i definitely feel quite well with it then with Intel I'm going to raise some questions in order to trigger you for the fault. Are you sure that its not a hard disk bound queries? Mybe the raid is slower then the last. (faulty driver??) Seems so though not suppose to. its LSI Logic 53c1030 Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI. The formaer one is Adaptec 2015 which suppose to be slower. I suspect the Raid is the problem, some how its not fast as i expected it to be. im going to throw the Centos away and install a beautiful Debian Sarge 2.6.x on it :) Is the os the same or you swiched it? If you swiched it, i guess you have a problem with the kernel, mybe a module or something. Try to google for xeon slowing and the kernel. Did you swich filesystem? Yes, the OS came with ext3 :( thugh i dont think it can take the mechine down. maybe 10% in performance. kfir On Sunday 27 February 2005 18:10, Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hi All Im running a postgres server on IBM machine with 2 Xeon 3G Cpu, 3 GB Mem and Raid. I decide to upgrade my server from dual AMD MP 2400, 2 GB mem and raid to this machine because lately my queries became slower. To my surprise the current server is even slower. After banging my head against the wall for a day or two i noticed that when the CPU is under heavy load the actual work is small ( divided by 50% between idle and wait ) The OS is Centos Linux 2.4.21 SMP Here is a small cut from dstat. it shows the idle and iowait ( sum of 99 ) and all the other are 1% :( total-cpu-usage usr sys idl wai hiq siq| 1 1 93 5 0 0| 1 0 49 50 0 0| 1 0 50 49 0 0| 0 0 50 50 0 0| 1 0 50 49 0 0| Any idea what could be the problem ? -- -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 Cel: 972-52-8555757 Fax: 972-4-6990098 http://www.canaan.net.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
adsl problems
I'd like to know how to disable adsl/ppp entities from reconnecting endlessly when the link went down. Camelia Botez System admin unix/linux Weizmann Institute of science Rehovot Tel: 971-8-9344964 Fax: 971-8-9344102 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: ôðééúê ìáð÷ ãéñ÷åðè îúàøéê 28/02/2005
Hi! Attached is: 1. A Complaint I sent to Bank Discount (of which I am a customer) after seeing that their site rejects non-MSIE browsers. Note that their feedback form does not work with Mozilla, and I had to submit it using Konqueror, where it does work. 2. The response I've received (which is very laconic, not to the point, and seems like their generic response). Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ Knuth is not God! It took him two days to build the Roman Empire. ---BeginMessage--- , , . . : " , " : `- `: 24 . : /, 06:00. : 6111* :03-9439222 :03-9439111 : `-` 07:00 24:00 : 07:00 /. :*6111 03-9439191 : `-` 08:00 - 15:45 :03-5158900 :03-5158998 : http://www.discountbank.net ---End Message--- א.ג.נ, שמי הוא שלומי פיש ואני לקוח של בנק דיסקונט. האתר שלכם חוסם דפדפנים שאינם אינטרנט אקספלורר. אולם, אני איני יכול להשתמש בדפדפן זה, משום שהוא: 1. לא בטוח. התגלו בו הרבה חורי אבטחה, והרבה חורים נוספים מתגלים כל הזמן. 2. לא תקני. הוא אינו תומך בחלק ניכר מהתקנים של ה-W3C, ויש לו הרבה באגים בתמיכה הקיימת. 3. אינו רץ על מערכות הפעלה מלבד חלונות של מיקרוסופט. אם אני רוצה להשתמש בלינוקס או במקינטוש או במערכת הפעלה אחרת, איני יכול להשתמש בו. 4. הוא מדדה אחרי דפדפנים אחרים בשיפורי שימושויות ובתכונות מתקדמות. 5. הוא לא מעודכן, אלא רק כחלק ממערכת ההפעלה. הגרסא העדכנית ביותר זמינה רק ל-Windows XP SP2. אנא מנעו את חסימת הדפדפנים ממשפחת מוזילה (אני משתמש בפיירפוקס 1.0), וודאו שהאתר עובד עימו באופן תקני. יש לציין שלא יקשה עליכם לבדוק את תאימות האתר עם מוזילה משום שהוא רץ על כל המערכות. לפרטים נוספים ראו: http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/LAMP/slides/compatibility/ ראוי לציין שגם שליחת טופס המשוב אינה עובדת במוזילה, כך שלא קיימת לי ולמשתמשים אחרים אפשרות נוחה להתלונן אם אני חפץ בכך. במידה שהאתר לא יתוקן, אשקול בכובד ראש להעביר את חשבוני לבנק אחר שלו יש אתר תקני התומך בדפדפן מוזילה. בכבוד רב, שלומי פיש
Re: dichotomy ?
On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 09:22:49AM +0200, Maxim Kovgan wrote: , ! . . TEX,. : , OpenOffice - . , \ , . Hi Maxim, Going over old mails in my mailbox, I came over this message of yours which, probably I overlooked then. First of all thanks and apologies for the very long delay. In the mean time I settled for LaTeX. I considered using lyx for a while, to ease the transition (LaTeX is pretty frightening in the beginning). The decisive experiment that ruled against this idea was made, pretty much by chance, when I tried some of the examples from Guide to LaTeX by Helmuth Kopka and Patrick Daly. I did it both directly and through lyx, and the ouputs were not identical: I decided to take the bull (LaTeX) by its horns, without any transition stage. With some help from a coleague at work, in English it works allright. I did not need yet to write in Hebrew. I hope that by the time I'll pass that hurdle, the basic use of LaTeX will already be familiar, so that I'll have only to concentrate on the new aspects. Cheers, Avraham = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: פנייתך לבנק דיסקונט מתאריך 28/02/2005
Hi Shlomi, At least you got a response, which is more than I did when I complained on the same issue a few months ago. Very frustrating... Cheers, Rony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shlomi Fish Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 5:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Linux-IL Subject: Fwd: 28/02/2005 Hi! Attached is: 1. A Complaint I sent to Bank Discount (of which I am a customer) after seeing that their site rejects non-MSIE browsers. Note that their feedback form does not work with Mozilla, and I had to submit it using Konqueror, where it does work. 2. The response I've received (which is very laconic, not to the point, and seems like their generic response). Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ Knuth is not God! It took him two days to build the Roman Empire. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: פנייתך לבנק דיסקונט מתאריך 28/02/2005
I sent Bank Discount a snail mail letter very similar to the one you sent, and I got pretty much the same response. It seems to be a very low priority over there - the bank is effectivly putting its head in the sand, squeezing its eyes shut and chanting IE support is enough. Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi! Attached is: 1. A Complaint I sent to Bank Discount (of which I am a customer) after seeing that their site rejects non-MSIE browsers. Note that their feedback form does not work with Mozilla, and I had to submit it using Konqueror, where it does work. 2. The response I've received (which is very laconic, not to the point, and seems like their generic response). Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ Knuth is not God! It took him two days to build the Roman Empire. Subject: 28/02/2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:15:16 + (GMT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , , . . * :* http://www.discountbank.net/contact , http://www.discountbank.net * * : `- `: 24 . : /, 06:00. : 6111* _ :_ 03-9439222 _ :_ 03-9439111 * * : `-` 07:00 24:00 : 07:00 /. : *6111 03-9439191 * * : `-` 08:00 - 15:45 : 03-5158900 : 03-5158998 http://www.discountbank.net/contact : http://www.discountbank.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: adsl problems
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 04:35:57PM +0200, Camelia Botez wrote: I'd like to know how to disable adsl/ppp entities from reconnecting endlessly when the link went down. Most of us like this feature because with it link will be up automatically as soon as possible. Anyway, do submit more data: distribution, contents of the configuration files, some reports from the log. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: adsl problems
On Tuesday March 1 2005 16:35, Camelia Botez wrote: I'd like to know how to disable adsl/ppp entities from reconnecting endlessly when the link went down. You don's specify any details, and my telepathic range is limited to 5 meters nowadays, so I am wildly guessing instead. Maybe comment out the persist option in your ppp options file? Do you use any wrapper to dial in to your ISP? -- Sincerely Yours, Vasiliev Michael If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] The obligations of the employer-employee relationship
On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 07:36:38AM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: 4. Only a contracting company completely frees the business purchasing the services from the obligations of the employer-employee relationship as defined by Israeli law. Neither non-incorporated or even incorporated individuals have this advantage even though according to the dry leter of the law you might think they would. Can you elaborate more? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have McGeyver question
I have laptop with no cdrom or floppy, and it cann't boot from lan. Now i want to install windows 98 on one partition. So i coppied all the install directory from the cd to the partition. Now i have to fill the 512bytes of the partition start with a lilo or something similar (thoght to copy freedos first 512bytes). at the mbr i have grub. Now lets asume that i can start the installation of win98. This will break my MBR. Is there a way to make it don't step on the MBR? Because i can't boot the comp with cdrom or floppy. tnx kfir pgpWifYIXxpDE.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: פנייתך לבנק דיסקונט מתאריך 28/02/2005
Should we start bombing their customer support with this issue simultaneously? I've had similar non-constructive reply more than a year ago. Nothing changed since then... Considering the amount of money we all together have in this bank I would say that lack of interest of the bank is his customers is quite surprising... Gregory. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rony Shapiro Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:06 PM To: 'Shlomi Fish' Cc: 'Linux-IL' Subject: RE: 28/02/2005 Hi Shlomi, At least you got a response, which is more than I did when I complained on the same issue a few months ago. Very frustrating... Cheers, Rony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shlomi Fish Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 5:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Linux-IL Subject: Fwd: 28/02/2005 Hi! Attached is: 1. A Complaint I sent to Bank Discount (of which I am a customer) after seeing that their site rejects non-MSIE browsers. Note that their feedback form does not work with Mozilla, and I had to submit it using Konqueror, where it does work. 2. The response I've received (which is very laconic, not to the point, and seems like their generic response). Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ Knuth is not God! It took him two days to build the Roman Empire. == To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] The obligations of the employer-employee relationship
Hi Shaul,
Say that you fullfil the following conditions:
A. you are either an independent (atsmai) or an incorporated
individual and you work at a place like Motorola or IAI or Cellcom
B. you agree with your customer in writing that that you have no
employer-employee relationship. You have this agreement notarized to
ensure that you are entering into it of your own free will. You file
the agreement in a court of law.
Then, if the customer decides to terminate the business relationship with
you after several years, you can sue for pitsuim and pensia, with the
results that the Israeli labor courts will find in your favor and will
require your customer to pay you both pitsuim and pensia, on top of
whatever he already paid you, and despite the fact that you might have
been paying your own pensia from the money that he paid you.
There is plenty of Israeli case law that demonstrates this. Despite
whatever you and your customer agreed and wrote, the labor court makes
it's own assumptions. It assumes that you were an atsmai or incorporated
individual only in order to get employment and you had no other choice but
to do so because your customer demanded it in order to avopid paying you
what he is obligated to under law - pitsuim and pensia.
Regards,
- yba
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Shaul Karl wrote:
On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 07:36:38AM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
4. Only a contracting company completely frees the business purchasing
the services from the obligations of the employer-employee relationship
as defined by Israeli law. Neither non-incorporated or even
incorporated individuals have this advantage even though according to
the dry leter of the law you might think they would.
Can you elaborate more?
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Re: I have McGeyver question
--=-n/N56SFnYTFQ7fh2MTzP Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most BIOSes nowdays have a feature called Virus Protection, which, if I recall correctly, blocks you from writing to the MBR as long as it's set to Enabled. It is a very interesting feature of virus protection (my first question when I saw this was: What were they thinking?), but nevermind that - windows *is* kind of a virus ;) The big question is... what will Windows' installer will have to say about that. I'll try the above on a different box first, not to screw your working machine (before you do, make sure it's a similiar BIOS and that your BIOS indeed has this feature. Usually it'll be under BIOS FEATURES SETUP. Shimi On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 00:01 +0200, Kfir Lavi wrote: I have laptop with no cdrom or floppy, and it cann't boot from lan. Now i want to install windows 98 on one partition. So i coppied all the install directory from the cd to the partition. Now i have to fill the 512bytes of the partition start with a lilo or something similar (thoght to copy freedos first 512bytes). at the mbr i have grub. Now lets asume that i can start the installation of win98. This will break my MBR. Is there a way to make it don't step on the MBR? Because i can't boot the comp with cdrom or floppy. tnx kfir -- --=-n/N56SFnYTFQ7fh2MTzP Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8 META NAME=GENERATOR CONTENT=GtkHTML/3.2.4 /HEAD BODY Most BIOSes nowdays have a feature called quot;Virus Protectionquot;, which, if I recall correctly, blocks you from writing to the MBR as long as it's set to quot;Enabledquot;. It is a very interesting feature of virus protection (my first question when I saw this was: quot;What were they thinking?quot;), but nevermind that - windows *is* kind of a virus ;) The big question is... what will Windows' installer will have to say about that. BR BR I'll try the above on a different box first, not to screw your working machine (before you do, make sure it's a similiar BIOS and that your BIOS indeed has this feature. Usually it'll be under quot;BIOS FEATURES SETUPquot;.BR BR ShimiBR BR On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 00:01 +0200, Kfir Lavi wrote: BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE PRE FONT COLOR=#00I have laptop with no cdrom or floppy, and it cann't boot from lan./FONT FONT COLOR=#00Now i want to install windows 98 on one partition./FONT FONT COLOR=#00So i coppied all the install directory from the cd to the partition./FONT FONT COLOR=#00Now i have to fill the 512bytes of the partition start with a lilo or /FONT FONT COLOR=#00something similar (thoght to copy freedos first 512bytes)./FONT FONT COLOR=#00at the mbr i have grub./FONT FONT COLOR=#00Now lets asume that i can start the installation of win98./FONT FONT COLOR=#00This will break my MBR. /FONT FONT COLOR=#00Is there a way to make it don't step on the MBR?/FONT FONT COLOR=#00Because i can't boot the comp with cdrom or floppy./FONT FONT COLOR=#00tnx/FONT FONT COLOR=#00kfir/FONT /PRE /BLOCKQUOTE TABLE CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 WIDTH=100% TR TD PRE -- /PRE /TD /TR /TABLE /BODY /HTML --=-n/N56SFnYTFQ7fh2MTzP-- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WiFi card for Linux Notebook
As you might guess from a previous message I sent to the list I am now in the getting 802.11g wireless card into a Linux Notebook business. I bought a Level One WPC-0301 card for 205 NIS but it was not recognized by Fedora3 and from the help I got here and from the searches II made it seems it will be hard to get a stable driver for it. Then I did some research and from the various sites I found I understand that basically only cards with Prism54 chip set are well supported. (Am I correct here ?) See this link http://prism54.org/supported_cards.php In this shop there are a few others listed that should work as well: http://www.linuxvoodoo.com/store/index.php/cPath/45_66 Now the supplier offered me a replacement card called 3CRWE154G72(A 3Com card) for 368 NIS. (one of the cards listed on the Prism site). I am not sure I want to pay an extra 163 NIS for this card if there is a cheaper but working solution. So I would like to ask you ppl. do you have experience with any PCMCIA WiFi card (11g) that works well under Linux ? Where did you buy it ? How much did it cost ? Thanks Gabor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] The obligations of the employer-employee relationship
Hi
I am not a layer, but as far as I know things are a little bit more
complicated
Court will examine the every day relationship.
Do you have to be there on regular times?
Are you payed according to your working hours? or according to mission
completion?
Do you work from home or do you work at the customer site?
How close do the customer supervise your work? can the customer decide one
day to change your project / give you a temporary mission?
and surely there are many more small tests that says if you are really an
independent external worker / sub-contractor / atsmai or if the contract
is just a camouflage for actually being an employee of the customer
Shahar
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From: Jonathan Ben Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: ILUG
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:01
Subject: Re: [OT] The obligations of the employer-employee relationship
Hi Shaul,
Say that you fullfil the following conditions:
A. you are either an independent (atsmai) or an incorporated
individual and you work at a place like Motorola or IAI or Cellcom
B. you agree with your customer in writing that that you have no
employer-employee relationship. You have this agreement notarized to
ensure that you are entering into it of your own free will. You file
the agreement in a court of law.
Then, if the customer decides to terminate the business relationship with
you after several years, you can sue for pitsuim and pensia, with the
results that the Israeli labor courts will find in your favor and will
require your customer to pay you both pitsuim and pensia, on top of
whatever he already paid you, and despite the fact that you might have
been paying your own pensia from the money that he paid you.
There is plenty of Israeli case law that demonstrates this. Despite
whatever you and your customer agreed and wrote, the labor court makes
it's own assumptions. It assumes that you were an atsmai or incorporated
individual only in order to get employment and you had no other choice but
to do so because your customer demanded it in order to avopid paying you
what he is obligated to under law - pitsuim and pensia.
Regards,
- yba
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Shaul Karl wrote:
On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 07:36:38AM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
4. Only a contracting company completely frees the business purchasing
the services from the obligations of the employer-employee relationship
as defined by Israeli law. Neither non-incorporated or even
incorporated individuals have this advantage even though according to
the dry leter of the law you might think they would.
Can you elaborate more?
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