Re: Which Linux distribution is stable yet up-to-date?
Gentoo. Kernel is up to date. It has a learning curve, but once you get used to it, you don't want to go back to other distros. Don't forget it's compile installation. You can select between systemd or openrc. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems Great and fast support of the community. On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:53:09 +0200 > Omer Zak wrote: > > > > For the new system, I'd like to select an host Linux distribution with > > stable but up-to-date kernel, Docker and a virtualization system > > (VirtualBox or other). For this, Debian Stable (today's Debian > > Jessie) is not the answer as it gets updated about once each two > > years. > > Hi Omer, > > Sounds to me like you're looking for a rolling release: Gentoo, Funtoo, > Arch, Manjaro, Void etc. > > Gentoo and Funtoo are both compile-installation, and both use chroot > installs exclusively. Arch is a more difficult than average chroot > install. Manjaro and Void have regular installation programs, although > Void has facilities to do chroot installations if you prefer. > > If you love systemd, Arch is what you want: They're fanatics about > their beloved systemd. If you hate systemd, Funtoo and Void have > pledged never to have systemd. If you like daemontools-inspired inits, > Void Linux inits with Runit (one of the big reasons I chose Void as my > daily driver). > > Manjaro is like Arch with an easy installation program. Also, Manjaro > is more init agnostic, and in fact offers an "OpenRC Edition". > > From what I hear second hand, Void is the one of these rolling releases > *least* likely to bork your system on an update. > > HTH, > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques > of the Successful Technologist > http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Installing gtk2 version 2.18 or above in Centos 5.11 i386
http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/21708468/dir/centos_5/com/gtk2-2.18.9-45.1.x86_64.rpm.html 2015-11-01 1:57 GMT+02:00 Josh Roden : > Hi All > If possible, how could I install gtk2 version 2.18 on Centos 5.11 without > breaking all kinds of dependencies? > I have version 2.10.4 but it isn't good enough for installing Eclipse > mars and above. The version 2.18 is needed. > I would like to install it thru a repository and not tar.gz... > Thanks > Josh > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Fwd: Fw: Just say no to TPP
-- Forwarded message -- From: Shlomi Fish Date: Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:29 AM Subject: Fw: Just say no to TPP To: shlo...@gmail.com Begin forwarded message: Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 12:08:27 -0600 From: "Creative Commons" To: Shlomi Fish Subject: Just say no to TPP Creative Commons After five years of secret negotiations between governments and corporate lobbyists, the public has finally seen the text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), and the details are bad. The provisions covering intellectual property directly threaten the public interest and the commons. We believe the TPP should be rejected, and we need everyone opposed to this attack on the commons to stand with us. Add your name to oppose the TPP! < https://donate.creativecommons.org/sites/all/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=4098&qid=2228998 > The TPP increases the term of copyright an additional 20 years for half of the participating countries. This makes no sense. Copyright already lasts far longer than is necessary—life of the author plus 50 years in most parts of the world. And extending copyright has real costs. New Zealand estimates that lengthening copyright will cost the public $55 million per year. In Canada, it could exceed $100 million per year. The public is losing out when millions of creative works are kept locked up under copyright instead of rising into the public domain, where they can be used freely by anyone. It’s not too late to make your voice heard. The participating governments now have to decide whether to ratify it. We think the TPP should be rejected. Do you agree? Only a groundswell of opposition can stop the TPP, and it starts with your signature and comments against the harmful TPP. Sign today! < https://donate.creativecommons.org/sites/all/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=4098&qid=2228998 > To opt-out of any future mailings from Creative Commons, simply visit this URL: https://donate.creativecommons.org/civicrm/mailing/optout?reset=1&jid=1822&qid=2228998&h=2b0292eac28a0a10 Creative Commons PO Box 1866 Mountain View, CA 94042 United States https://donate.creativecommons.org/sites/all/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=4096&qid=2228998 Contact CC at i...@creativecommons.org. -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/Google-Discontinues-Services/ My Commodore 64 is suffering from slowness and insufficiency of memory, and its display device is grievously short of pixels. Can anybody help? — Omer Zak Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . -- -- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Chuck Norris helps the gods that help themselves. Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Which Linux distribution is stable yet up-to-date?
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:53:09 +0200 Omer Zak wrote: > For the new system, I'd like to select an host Linux distribution with > stable but up-to-date kernel, Docker and a virtualization system > (VirtualBox or other). For this, Debian Stable (today's Debian > Jessie) is not the answer as it gets updated about once each two > years. Hi Omer, Sounds to me like you're looking for a rolling release: Gentoo, Funtoo, Arch, Manjaro, Void etc. Gentoo and Funtoo are both compile-installation, and both use chroot installs exclusively. Arch is a more difficult than average chroot install. Manjaro and Void have regular installation programs, although Void has facilities to do chroot installations if you prefer. If you love systemd, Arch is what you want: They're fanatics about their beloved systemd. If you hate systemd, Funtoo and Void have pledged never to have systemd. If you like daemontools-inspired inits, Void Linux inits with Runit (one of the big reasons I chose Void as my daily driver). Manjaro is like Arch with an easy installation program. Also, Manjaro is more init agnostic, and in fact offers an "OpenRC Edition". >From what I hear second hand, Void is the one of these rolling releases *least* likely to bork your system on an update. HTH, SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Which Linux distribution is stable yet up-to-date?
If you want the benefits of Ubuntu without the idiosyncrasies of the Unity interface (which is better than it used to be, btw), you may want to consider the Linux Mint (cinnamon) distro. Release 17.2 is based on Ubuntu trusty (LTS) and the cinnamon interface is easy to use and attractive. Mint uses apt and .deb files which you are used to, I think. Mint distro is not glatt-kosher about OSS, so (say) skype comes OOTB and needs no additional configuration (other than "sudo apt-get install skype"). J. On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Yuval Adam wrote: > Arch Linux is highly recommended in this case. I've been using it for > the past several years and have never looked back at any other distro. > > Arch should fit your requirement for bleeding-edge packages (kernel, > docker, etc.) yet it really is extremely stable (granted, I wouldn't use > it on a production server, as updates do have the potential for some > downtime.) > > There is a learning curve to Arch, but it is an extremely rewarding > distro to use. > > On 11/30/2015 10:53 AM, Omer Zak wrote: > > In another E-mail thread I am discussing selection of a laptop. > > Once a laptop is acquired, I'll want to install one of Linux > > distributions on it. > > > > At present, I am using Debian Stable (today it is Debian Jessie) as the > > host OS of my PC, along with Ubuntu 14.04 inside a VirtualBox based > > virtual machine (Android development environment). > > > > For the new system, I'd like to select an host Linux distribution with > > stable but up-to-date kernel, Docker and a virtualization system > > (VirtualBox or other). For this, Debian Stable (today's Debian Jessie) > > is not the answer as it gets updated about once each two years. > > > > I'll want to use Docker to run my current Debian Jessie installation and > > the Android development environment (running on Ubuntu). The > > virtualization system will be used to experiment with bleeding edge > > stuff such as new Linux kernel versions, Debian Unstable, GNU/Hurd and > > other exotic stuff. > > > > What is the community's recommendation for a Linux distribution which > > provides stable yet up-to-date versions of the Linux kernel and the > > other basic software tools? > > > > --- Omer > > > > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -- -- Jeremy Hoyland jhoyl...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Which Linux distribution is stable yet up-to-date?
Arch Linux is highly recommended in this case. I've been using it for the past several years and have never looked back at any other distro. Arch should fit your requirement for bleeding-edge packages (kernel, docker, etc.) yet it really is extremely stable (granted, I wouldn't use it on a production server, as updates do have the potential for some downtime.) There is a learning curve to Arch, but it is an extremely rewarding distro to use. On 11/30/2015 10:53 AM, Omer Zak wrote: > In another E-mail thread I am discussing selection of a laptop. > Once a laptop is acquired, I'll want to install one of Linux > distributions on it. > > At present, I am using Debian Stable (today it is Debian Jessie) as the > host OS of my PC, along with Ubuntu 14.04 inside a VirtualBox based > virtual machine (Android development environment). > > For the new system, I'd like to select an host Linux distribution with > stable but up-to-date kernel, Docker and a virtualization system > (VirtualBox or other). For this, Debian Stable (today's Debian Jessie) > is not the answer as it gets updated about once each two years. > > I'll want to use Docker to run my current Debian Jessie installation and > the Android development environment (running on Ubuntu). The > virtualization system will be used to experiment with bleeding edge > stuff such as new Linux kernel versions, Debian Unstable, GNU/Hurd and > other exotic stuff. > > What is the community's recommendation for a Linux distribution which > provides stable yet up-to-date versions of the Linux kernel and the > other basic software tools? > > --- Omer > > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Which Linux distribution is stable yet up-to-date?
Hi Omer and all, On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Omer Zak wrote: > In another E-mail thread I am discussing selection of a laptop. > Once a laptop is acquired, I'll want to install one of Linux > distributions on it. > > At present, I am using Debian Stable (today it is Debian Jessie) as the > host OS of my PC, along with Ubuntu 14.04 inside a VirtualBox based > virtual machine (Android development environment). > > For the new system, I'd like to select an host Linux distribution with > stable but up-to-date kernel, Docker and a virtualization system > (VirtualBox or other). For this, Debian Stable (today's Debian Jessie) > is not the answer as it gets updated about once each two years. > > I'll want to use Docker to run my current Debian Jessie installation and > the Android development environment (running on Ubuntu). The > virtualization system will be used to experiment with bleeding edge > stuff such as new Linux kernel versions, Debian Unstable, GNU/Hurd and > other exotic stuff. > > What is the community's recommendation for a Linux distribution which > provides stable yet up-to-date versions of the Linux kernel and the > other basic software tools? > > Well, in general, I believe that when it comes to Linux distributions, there's a tradeoff between having frequent releases with up-to-date software and between being as bug-free as possible (what you call "stable"). Note that it's not all-or-nothing and you can be somewhere in between on both cases. Anyway, my favourite distribution for now is Mageia (see http://www.mageia.org/en/ ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia . It has a release roughly every 9 months, and also has the "Cauldron" branch which like Debian Testing ends up stabilising on the next release. I'm a Mageia contributor and am using Mageia Linux x86-64 v5 on my relatively old Acer laptop and Mageia x86-64 Cauldron on my Core i3 desktop machine. Recently, I noticed some occasional freezes with the Cauldron system, and in order to investigate, I decided to remove and avoid using VirtualBox, which caused my kernel to become tainted due to it deemed buggy by the kernel developers. After I removed VirtualBox, I didn't have any freezes, but I'll have to see if they may still and in the meanwhile, I decided to try using KVM instead. Otherwise I'm happy with Mageia, which has quite a few of what I call "cute bugs" but with easy workarounds. Mageia is an open-source distribution (but not considered purely "free" by FSF/Stallman zealots) and is maintained by a community of volunteers. Some other distributions I used or played with: * Archlinux - a rolling release distribution with a very user-unfriendly installation method (using Manjaro or whatever for their installers should be better) and with a tendency to be left in an unusable state if one forgets to update it frequently enough (which is a problem where Manjaro won't help you). Arch is fast and free of fluff, but you need to have a lot of discipline to update it frequently enough or you're screwed. * Fedora - seems nice and usable, but I still prefer Mageia. * CentOS - also usable and stable, but upgrading between major versions is reportedly unsupported. * Debian Testing . * Ubuntu - I dislike its default Unity desktop, but I can usually install Xfce or whatever instead easily enough. I haven't used it a lot outside VMs. Regards, -- Shlomi Fish > --- Omer > > > -- > The key to making programs fast is to make them do practically nothing. > Mike Haertel (original author of GNU grep) > My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ > > My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. > They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which > I may be affiliated in any way. > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -- -- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Chuck Norris helps the gods that help themselves. Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Which Linux distribution is stable yet up-to-date?
In another E-mail thread I am discussing selection of a laptop. Once a laptop is acquired, I'll want to install one of Linux distributions on it. At present, I am using Debian Stable (today it is Debian Jessie) as the host OS of my PC, along with Ubuntu 14.04 inside a VirtualBox based virtual machine (Android development environment). For the new system, I'd like to select an host Linux distribution with stable but up-to-date kernel, Docker and a virtualization system (VirtualBox or other). For this, Debian Stable (today's Debian Jessie) is not the answer as it gets updated about once each two years. I'll want to use Docker to run my current Debian Jessie installation and the Android development environment (running on Ubuntu). The virtualization system will be used to experiment with bleeding edge stuff such as new Linux kernel versions, Debian Unstable, GNU/Hurd and other exotic stuff. What is the community's recommendation for a Linux distribution which provides stable yet up-to-date versions of the Linux kernel and the other basic software tools? --- Omer -- The key to making programs fast is to make them do practically nothing. Mike Haertel (original author of GNU grep) My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
