Re: Awful Bandwidth from Most Sites on Bezeqint - What can I do about it?
I'm also getting lousy traffic from Bezeqint at home. I was sure it was on my side, so I haven't dug into it yet but now I see it's a cross client issue. I'm connected with hot-bezeqint. Download 2.5/ Upload 128 (or something in this range), center of Tel Aviv (http://goo.gl/maps/pIbG). I will test today a 10mb file download from: Akamai, cloudfront, s3 which are all super fast and from a server in us-east and eu-west and will report the results. I really hope that this is a temporarily bug in bezeqint routing instead of a new policy, I chose them exactly because they have a good reputation of not doing this sort of stuff. Maxim. 2010/10/14 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com I also have problems with bezeqint. I tried ftp from holland. Unencrypted the speed was around 5k/s, encrypted less than 1k/s. worse than that I tried tunneling via a good site (speed guaranteed) and even this didn't work well. Transfer from israel has excellent speed. Other than that, nothing. My conclusion is that they started to apply QOS and other dirty tricks which I noticed via wireshark. I would suggest few things: 1. try to download the same rpm from other sites and compare. and then call them and show them it's impossible to get such low speed from 4-5 different sites. 2. In cases where you can change ports, try to revert to high end ports. 3. Try https. Maybe you will get lucky. In my case it didn't help. 2010/10/14 shimi linux...@shimi.net On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.ilwrote: On Wednesday 13 October 2010 23:04:55 geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: Can anyone help me shed any light on this problem? Traffic shaping? Did you try it at 6am or 1am? No, I did not. I'm usually not awake at 6am, and usually go to bed before 1am. Are there traffic shaping schemes that limit the speed on a single TCP connection and not the entire bandwidth? (Which in prozilla's case may consist of several connections to the same host.) QoS products today can do any combination you can think of. Side of testing and seeing for yourself, you really can't know. (usually the QoS policy is not equal to all users, and the choice of users ISPs apply different QoS rules on is voodoo at best...) You don't really need 6am, 10am is also OK to verify such thing. Might be a new policy to convert everyone to Private NGN so they pay a few more shekels? :) (other ISPs did it in the past so you'll add money to join the gamers package. a.k.a. the we screw you less with out QoS package...) -- Shimi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Awful Bandwidth from Most Sites on Bezeqint - What can I do about it?
Once they were ok. I think they started to apply QoS. I used lftp. lftp is a very smart client. If the connection was stopped, it tries to reconnect and resume the transfer automatically. I saw connection reset and I didn't do anything (i don't recall the exact error. but it was something like the client stopped the transfer) . So, I understood who did the reset on my behalf. If you can try with lftp some transfers, it would be nice to compare. I am also connected to hot-bezeqint. I have some issues with gtalk and voice. I talk and hear and at some point I don't hear anything. Wireshark shows destination unreachable (port unreachable). I use the program gtalx. gtalx has some bugs, but i am not sure if it's the program faulty or it's hot/bezeqint fault. On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Maxim Veksler ma...@vekslers.org wrote: I'm also getting lousy traffic from Bezeqint at home. I was sure it was on my side, so I haven't dug into it yet but now I see it's a cross client issue. I'm connected with hot-bezeqint. Download 2.5/ Upload 128 (or something in this range), center of Tel Aviv (http://goo.gl/maps/pIbG). I will test today a 10mb file download from: Akamai, cloudfront, s3 which are all super fast and from a server in us-east and eu-west and will report the results. I really hope that this is a temporarily bug in bezeqint routing instead of a new policy, I chose them exactly because they have a good reputation of not doing this sort of stuff. Maxim. 2010/10/14 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com I also have problems with bezeqint. I tried ftp from holland. Unencrypted the speed was around 5k/s, encrypted less than 1k/s. worse than that I tried tunneling via a good site (speed guaranteed) and even this didn't work well. Transfer from israel has excellent speed. Other than that, nothing. My conclusion is that they started to apply QOS and other dirty tricks which I noticed via wireshark. I would suggest few things: 1. try to download the same rpm from other sites and compare. and then call them and show them it's impossible to get such low speed from 4-5 different sites. 2. In cases where you can change ports, try to revert to high end ports. 3. Try https. Maybe you will get lucky. In my case it didn't help. 2010/10/14 shimi linux...@shimi.net On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.ilwrote: On Wednesday 13 October 2010 23:04:55 geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: Can anyone help me shed any light on this problem? Traffic shaping? Did you try it at 6am or 1am? No, I did not. I'm usually not awake at 6am, and usually go to bed before 1am. Are there traffic shaping schemes that limit the speed on a single TCP connection and not the entire bandwidth? (Which in prozilla's case may consist of several connections to the same host.) QoS products today can do any combination you can think of. Side of testing and seeing for yourself, you really can't know. (usually the QoS policy is not equal to all users, and the choice of users ISPs apply different QoS rules on is voodoo at best...) You don't really need 6am, 10am is also OK to verify such thing. Might be a new policy to convert everyone to Private NGN so they pay a few more shekels? :) (other ISPs did it in the past so you'll add money to join the gamers package. a.k.a. the we screw you less with out QoS package...) -- Shimi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Awful Bandwidth from Most Sites on Bezeqint - What can I do about it?
On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: Can anyone help me shed any light on this problem? Traffic shaping? Did you try it at 6am or 1am? Geoff -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM To help restaurants, as part of the stimulus package, everyone must order dessert. As part of the socialized health plan, you are forbidden to eat it. :-) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Awful Bandwidth from Most Sites on Bezeqint - What can I do about it?
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote: On Wednesday 13 October 2010 23:04:55 geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: Can anyone help me shed any light on this problem? Traffic shaping? Did you try it at 6am or 1am? No, I did not. I'm usually not awake at 6am, and usually go to bed before 1am. Are there traffic shaping schemes that limit the speed on a single TCP connection and not the entire bandwidth? (Which in prozilla's case may consist of several connections to the same host.) QoS products today can do any combination you can think of. Side of testing and seeing for yourself, you really can't know. (usually the QoS policy is not equal to all users, and the choice of users ISPs apply different QoS rules on is voodoo at best...) You don't really need 6am, 10am is also OK to verify such thing. Might be a new policy to convert everyone to Private NGN so they pay a few more shekels? :) (other ISPs did it in the past so you'll add money to join the gamers package. a.k.a. the we screw you less with out QoS package...) -- Shimi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Awful Bandwidth from Most Sites on Bezeqint - What can I do about it?
Hi.
I am not quite happy myself, lately, either.
Browsing and downloading seems slow, as well.
wget
http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm
--00:08:12--
http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm
= `gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm'
Resolving ftp.nluug.nl... 192.87.102.42, 192.87.102.43
Connecting to ftp.nluug.nl|192.87.102.42|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 68,730,137 (66M) [application/x-rpm]
100%[] 68,730,137 113.99K/sETA
00:00
00:16:41 (132.27 KB/s) - `gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm' saved [68730137/68730137]
On a 12Mb/s connection. NTOP reported usage of 1.3-1.4Mb/s and that was the
only major use of the line at this time.
mirror.isoc.org.il resides on Israeli IP, as well as off.co.il (Netvision, I
think), so their speeds are excellent.
This is about midnight now. I can (and will) try later too.
Ez
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote:
Hi all,
lately I've been getting awful bandwidth from most sites on my home
Bezeqint
connection from all hosts on my network - I've tried a Mandriva Cooker
desktop
computer connected via 100 Mbps Ethernet, a WinXP SP 3 machine also
connected
via Ethernet, and my Mandriva 2010.1 laptop with a Wifi connection, and
they
all yield the same bad bandwidth (about 40-70 KBytes/s where my maximum is
300
KBytes/s).
Note that I'm getting good connectivity from some sites in Israel - usually
from mirror.isoc.org.il and also from
http://off.co.il/apache/xmlgraphics/fop/
(an Israeli Apache mirror). But otherwise my downloading connection is bad.
Here's a log I've created:
{
* http://off.co.il/apache/xmlgraphics/fop/source/fop-1.0-src.zip
- gives speed of 300KB/s +.
*
http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm
- gives:
shlomif:~$ wget -c
http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm
--2010-10-12 22:16:37--
http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm
Resolving ftp.nluug.nl (ftp.nluug.nl)... 192.87.102.43, 192.87.102.42,
2001:610:1:80aa:192:87:102:42, ...
Connecting to ftp.nluug.nl (ftp.nluug.nl)|192.87.102.43|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 68730137 (66M) [application/x-rpm]
Saving to: `gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm'
1% [ ] 1,353,806 28.8K/s eta 14m
39s
^C
*
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/linux-2.6.36-rc7.tar.bz2
Resolving www.kernel.org (www.kernel.org)... 199.6.1.164, 130.239.17.4
Connecting to www.kernel.org (www.kernel.org)|199.6.1.164|:80...
connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 70217056 (67M) [application/x-bzip2]
Saving to: `linux-2.6.36-rc7.tar.bz2'
2% [ ] 1,653,032 56.3K/s eta 16m
29s
^C
}
I'm getting good connectivity from these sites from some remote hosts that
I
can ssh into, and furthermore the download manager prozilla ( see:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/prozilla/ ) can open several streams like
that
and download individual files more quickly. I tried turning off the WinXP
machine, but the bad connectivity remained the same.
I tried calling the Bezeqint tech support, but the phone support guy was
clueless as usual and didn't help me solve this problem. I have a D-Link
router, which is pretty new (and might be the source of the problem).
Can anyone help me shed any light on this problem?
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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-
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Re: Awful Bandwidth from Most Sites on Bezeqint - What can I do about it?
P.S - I am on private NGN...
Ez
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Etzion Bar-Noy
eza...@tournament.org.ilwrote:
Hi.
I am not quite happy myself, lately, either.
Browsing and downloading seems slow, as well.
wget
http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm
--00:08:12--
http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm
= `gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm'
Resolving ftp.nluug.nl... 192.87.102.42, 192.87.102.43
Connecting to ftp.nluug.nl|192.87.102.42|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 68,730,137 (66M) [application/x-rpm]
100%[] 68,730,137 113.99K/sETA
00:00
00:16:41 (132.27 KB/s) - `gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm' saved
[68730137/68730137]
On a 12Mb/s connection. NTOP reported usage of 1.3-1.4Mb/s and that was the
only major use of the line at this time.
mirror.isoc.org.il resides on Israeli IP, as well as off.co.il (Netvision,
I think), so their speeds are excellent.
This is about midnight now. I can (and will) try later too.
Ez
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote:
Hi all,
lately I've been getting awful bandwidth from most sites on my home
Bezeqint
connection from all hosts on my network - I've tried a Mandriva Cooker
desktop
computer connected via 100 Mbps Ethernet, a WinXP SP 3 machine also
connected
via Ethernet, and my Mandriva 2010.1 laptop with a Wifi connection, and
they
all yield the same bad bandwidth (about 40-70 KBytes/s where my maximum is
300
KBytes/s).
Note that I'm getting good connectivity from some sites in Israel -
usually
from mirror.isoc.org.il and also from
http://off.co.il/apache/xmlgraphics/fop/
(an Israeli Apache mirror). But otherwise my downloading connection is
bad.
Here's a log I've created:
{
* http://off.co.il/apache/xmlgraphics/fop/source/fop-1.0-src.zip
- gives speed of 300KB/s +.
*
http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm
- gives:
shlomif:~$ wget -c
http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm
--2010-10-12http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm--2010-10-1222:16:37--
http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm
Resolving ftp.nluug.nl (ftp.nluug.nl)... 192.87.102.43, 192.87.102.42,
2001:610:1:80aa:192:87:102:42, ...
Connecting to ftp.nluug.nl (ftp.nluug.nl)|192.87.102.43|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 68730137 (66M) [application/x-rpm]
Saving to: `gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm'
1% [ ] 1,353,806 28.8K/s eta 14m
39s
^C
*
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/linux-2.6.36-rc7.tar.bz2
Resolving www.kernel.org (www.kernel.org)... 199.6.1.164, 130.239.17.4
Connecting to www.kernel.org (www.kernel.org)|199.6.1.164|:80...
connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 70217056 (67M) [application/x-bzip2]
Saving to: `linux-2.6.36-rc7.tar.bz2'
2% [ ] 1,653,032 56.3K/s eta 16m
29s
^C
}
I'm getting good connectivity from these sites from some remote hosts that
I
can ssh into, and furthermore the download manager prozilla ( see:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/prozilla/ ) can open several streams like
that
and download individual files more quickly. I tried turning off the WinXP
machine, but the bad connectivity remained the same.
I tried calling the Bezeqint tech support, but the phone support guy was
clueless as usual and didn't help me solve this problem. I have a D-Link
router, which is pretty new (and might be the source of the problem).
Can anyone help me shed any light on this problem?
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
--
-
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Parody of The Fountainhead - http://shlom.in/towtf
rindolf She's a hot chick. But she smokes.
go|dfish She can smoke as long as she's smokin'.
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Re: Awful Bandwidth from Most Sites on Bezeqint - What can I do about it?
I also have problems with bezeqint. I tried ftp from holland. Unencrypted the speed was around 5k/s, encrypted less than 1k/s. worse than that I tried tunneling via a good site (speed guaranteed) and even this didn't work well. Transfer from israel has excellent speed. Other than that, nothing. My conclusion is that they started to apply QOS and other dirty tricks which I noticed via wireshark. I would suggest few things: 1. try to download the same rpm from other sites and compare. and then call them and show them it's impossible to get such low speed from 4-5 different sites. 2. In cases where you can change ports, try to revert to high end ports. 3. Try https. Maybe you will get lucky. In my case it didn't help. 2010/10/14 shimi linux...@shimi.net On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote: On Wednesday 13 October 2010 23:04:55 geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: Can anyone help me shed any light on this problem? Traffic shaping? Did you try it at 6am or 1am? No, I did not. I'm usually not awake at 6am, and usually go to bed before 1am. Are there traffic shaping schemes that limit the speed on a single TCP connection and not the entire bandwidth? (Which in prozilla's case may consist of several connections to the same host.) QoS products today can do any combination you can think of. Side of testing and seeing for yourself, you really can't know. (usually the QoS policy is not equal to all users, and the choice of users ISPs apply different QoS rules on is voodoo at best...) You don't really need 6am, 10am is also OK to verify such thing. Might be a new policy to convert everyone to Private NGN so they pay a few more shekels? :) (other ISPs did it in the past so you'll add money to join the gamers package. a.k.a. the we screw you less with out QoS package...) -- Shimi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Awful Bandwidth from Most Sites on Bezeqint - What can I do about it?
2010/10/14 Etzion Bar-Noy eza...@tournament.org.il Hi. I am not quite happy myself, lately, either. Browsing and downloading seems slow, as well. wget http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm --00:08:12-- http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm = `gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm' Resolving ftp.nluug.nl... 192.87.102.42, 192.87.102.43 Connecting to ftp.nluug.nl|192.87.102.42|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 68,730,137 (66M) [application/x-rpm] 100%[] 68,730,137 113.99K/sETA 00:00 00:16:41 (132.27 KB/s) - `gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm' saved [68730137/68730137] On a 12Mb/s connection. NTOP reported usage of 1.3-1.4Mb/s and that was the only major use of the line at this time. I am on 2.5Mbps, HOT, Bezeqint (non-NGN of course). Tested started @ 2010-10-14 01:13:43. Top speed during download was 315KB/s. Speed went as low as 80KBs but that was for a slight moment. In addition, I'm not the only user of the link, so that might have caused some slowing. Overall it's a reasonable speed, I think. -- Shimi d/l paste: $ wget http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm --2010-10-14 01:13:43-- http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm Resolving ftp.nluug.nl... 192.87.102.42, 192.87.102.43, 2001:610:1:80aa:192:87:102:43, ... Connecting to ftp.nluug.nl|192.87.102.42|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 68730137 (66M) [application/x-rpm] Saving to: `gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm' 100%[=] 68,730,137 313K/s in 4m 57s 2010-10-14 01:18:41 (226 KB/s) - `gcc-4.5.1-1mnb2.src.rpm' saved [68730137/68730137] ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Awful Bandwidth from Most Sites on Bezeqint - What can I do about it?
On Oct 14, 2010, at 12:03 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Wednesday 13 October 2010 23:04:55 geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: Can anyone help me shed any light on this problem? Traffic shaping? Did you try it at 6am or 1am? No, I did not. I'm usually not awake at 6am, and usually go to bed before 1am. Are there traffic shaping schemes that limit the speed on a single TCP connection and not the entire bandwidth? (Which in prozilla's case may consist of several connections to the same host.) 012 traffic shapes that way from around 3pm until 3am. Full speed for about 1-2 megabytes (I don't really have been able to figure out the exact number) and then it goes down to about 10% of the line's capability. Multiple connections all get limited. I wish I had a serial multiple connection downloader, i.e. it downloads a megabyte, closes the connection, waits 10 seconds and downloads another, until the full file is downloaded. Meanwhile when the latest Ubuntu came out, I was able to download 4 CD ROM images at full speed at 9pm. You can easily test it: cat wget url | at 03:00 Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM To help restaurants, as part of the stimulus package, everyone must order dessert. As part of the socialized health plan, you are forbidden to eat it. :-) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
