Re: IGLU FAQ and Hebrew keyboard layouts
On Sunday 30 November 2003 18:40, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > As of XFree 4.3 the Xkb can mix-and-match Groups. Up until 4.2.1 the > "il" layout had to assume the the Israeli group will be the second group > and that the first group will be US-English (see the xkb/symbols/il of > XFree 4.1.0 - 4.2.1 as to exactly why also US). In XFree 4.3 you ask for > a layout of "us,il" and it is translated to a layout with the Groups > "us" and "il". You can have "il,us,ru" if you want. I don't understand. What is the different between a group, a variant and a keyboard layout? (I thought that group = general keyboard layout, while variant was, different variants on the general kind of keyboard layout, i.e. the group. But now you speak of a whole group, which I don't understand, since if I use lyx, I don't use si1452 and vice versa, so what changed in XFree86 3.2? Plus, couldn't we have had 3 layouts concurrently in the past?) > > So what's the difference between lyx and si 1452? > > Mainly: in "lyx" the special characters are all (except the hyphen) in > shifted Hebrew letters, instead of the capital English letters. > > In si1452 the added characters reside in a third shift level of the > Israeli layout, and nikud characters are generally on the keyboard keys > of the numbers. Thanks for clearing this up. Could anybody post a graphical representation of these keyboard layouts to IGLU? Arie -- It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable. -- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IGLU FAQ and Hebrew keyboard layouts
On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 06:15:09PM +0100, Arie Folger wrote: > On Sunday 30 November 2003 10:12, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > What do you mean by 4 layouts? > > 4 variants. I assume that the difference is in the layout of certain non > Alephbetic keys. As of XFree 4.3 the Xkb can mix-and-match Groups. Up until 4.2.1 the "il" layout had to assume the the Israeli group will be the second group and that the first group will be US-English (see the xkb/symbols/il of XFree 4.1.0 - 4.2.1 as to exactly why also US). In XFree 4.3 you ask for a layout of "us,il" and it is translated to a layout with the Groups "us" and "il". You can have "il,us,ru" if you want. > > > As you use Fedora Core 1, you use XFree 4.3. Therefore you can easily > > use one of the two variants of the "il" layout. either "lyx" or "si1452" > > allows inserting nikud chars. > > So what's the difference between lyx and si 1452? > Mainly: in "lyx" the special characters are all (except the hyphen) in shifted Hebrew letters, instead of the capital English letters. In si1452 the added characters reside in a third shift level of the Israeli layout, and nikud characters are generally on the keyboard keys of the numbers. -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IGLU FAQ and Hebrew keyboard layouts
On Sunday 30 November 2003 10:12, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > What do you mean by 4 layouts? 4 variants. I assume that the difference is in the layout of certain non Alephbetic keys. > As you use Fedora Core 1, you use XFree 4.3. Therefore you can easily > use one of the two variants of the "il" layout. either "lyx" or "si1452" > allows inserting nikud chars. So what's the difference between lyx and si 1452? > Is this clearer now? Yes, I know where to look for niqud (but don't have a clue yet as to what sign is where. I'll discover that soon). Arie -- If an important person, out of humility, does not want to rely on [the Law, as applicable to his case], let him behave as an ascetic. However, permission was not granted to record this in a book, to rule this way for the future generations, and to be stringent of one's own accord, unless he shall bring clear proofs from the Talmud [to support his argument]. paraphrase of Rabbi Asher ben Ye'hiel, as quoted by Rabbi Yoel Sirkis, Ba'h, Yoreh De'ah 187:9, s.v. Umah shekatav. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IGLU FAQ and Hebrew keyboard layouts
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 12:39:39PM +0100, Arie Folger wrote: > Hi, > > I followed the recent discussion about developments in the IGLU FAQ, and > wonder whether somebody could expand on the 4 different keyboard layouts (in > fact, this needs to be integrated into the KDE help, too). I know that there > are different layouts, but don't have the slightest clue as to what the > difference between them is. In particular, I have no idea how to get niqud > under Linux (I rarely use it, when I do, I am forced to use the insert > character kind of options of either KDE or OOo). What do you mean by 4 layouts? The Israeli layout in XFree 4.3 has three varians. "basic" (which is the default) has no nikud. As you use Fedora Core 1, you use XFree 4.3. Therefore you can easily use one of the two variants of the "il" layout. either "lyx" or "si1452" allows inserting nikud chars. Is this clearer now? -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IGLU FAQ and Hebrew keyboard layouts
Hi, I followed the recent discussion about developments in the IGLU FAQ, and wonder whether somebody could expand on the 4 different keyboard layouts (in fact, this needs to be integrated into the KDE help, too). I know that there are different layouts, but don't have the slightest clue as to what the difference between them is. In particular, I have no idea how to get niqud under Linux (I rarely use it, when I do, I am forced to use the insert character kind of options of either KDE or OOo). Thanks for the good work, FAQ authors, Arie Folger -- If an important person, out of humility, does not want to rely on [the Law, as applicable to his case], let him behave as an ascetic. However, permission was not granted to record this in a book, to rule this way for the future generations, and to be stringent of one's own accord, unless he shall bring clear proofs from the Talmud [to support his argument]. paraphrase of Rabbi Asher ben Ye'hiel, as quoted by Rabbi Yoel Sirkis, Ba'h, Yoreh De'ah 187:9, s.v. Umah shekatav. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
