Re: ISP recomendation found
I agree, the gamers package is not what I would expect from ISP in ideal world. But as my SSH connections are working much better when I use the Gamers package, I have no other choice but to follow along. I prefer paying 20-30 nis more then working with a poor connection. My work output dramatically change when the latency drops. -- Michael Ben-Nes - Internet Consultant and Director. http://www.epoch.co.il - weaving the Net. Cellular: 054-4848113 -- 2009/11/5 Justin thelonecabb...@gmail.com I'm a die hard capitalist, I believe you should go with whomever gives you the best service for the best price. But Bezeq and Netvision are huge companies, and yet they offer not one thing more than the small ISPs (those that are left). I remember being a customer of ACT.com and couldn't have been happier. The moment they were bought by BBL service turned to crap. Connections wouldn't stay up, VOiP quality declined, and service requests (what few I'd needed under ACT) took days instead of minuets. On top of all that ALL larger ISPs in Israel block ports and use traffic shaping. It's insane that after I've paid BBL for a connection of a 5Mb that I need to pay them another 20NIS for a gamers package so that VOiP can work (when VOiP could work as well on an unthrottled line 1/4 the size). If they downgrade P2P traffic, I understand that. I don't like it, but I understand it. But VOiP is not bandwidth intensive standards, and doesn't degrade the network. Gamers, even hard core gamers, aren't online enough that they saturate their slice of the bandwidth. THE ONLY REASON to downgrade traffic for VOiP or gamers is to justify taking more money from them. The large ISPs have every opportunity to offer a superior product. They have efficiency of scale on their sides. But at the end of the day small businesses are still offering a better service, because they don't have the marketing capacity to simply replace abused customers. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Not trying to flame anyone, but Mickey Israeli IS one of the owners of Comm.net.il (see: http://www.db.ripe.net/whois?form_type=simplefull_query_string=searchtext=comm.net.ildo_search=Search ), so comm.net.il is very small and one of the owners (or the owner). I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but being tiny has some advantages and some disadvantages, for example: you're paying a very high price for your connection compared to what other people here on this list pays, but I definitely understand your reasons. I would definitely pay more for quality internet access. I am happily paying 5₪ more per month to Bezeq Beilleumi per month than I was paying to the theives known as Netvision. At Netvision they refused to diagnose connection problems, blaming my Infrastructure (Bezeq). Now they are suing me for not paying them when they refused to even check the connection issues. They want our money, not our business. I would rather give someone else even _more_ money who is interested in keeping me happy as a lifetime customer. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- There must be a beginning of any great matter, but the continuing unto the end until it be thoroughly finished yields the true glory. -- Sir Francis Drake ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ISP recomendation found
On Nov 8, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote: I agree, the gamers package is not what I would expect from ISP in ideal world. But as my SSH connections are working much better when I use the Gamers package, I have no other choice but to follow along. I prefer paying 20-30 nis more then working with a poor connection. My work output dramatically change when the latency drops. Which ISP is this? Thanks, Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ISP recomendation found
Bezeqint 8mb 'Gamers package' -- Michael Ben-Nes - Internet Consultant and Director. http://www.epoch.co.il - weaving the Net. Cellular: 054-4848113 -- On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:42 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 8, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote: I agree, the gamers package is not what I would expect from ISP in ideal world. But as my SSH connections are working much better when I use the Gamers package, I have no other choice but to follow along. I prefer paying 20-30 nis more then working with a poor connection. My work output dramatically change when the latency drops. Which ISP is this? Thanks, Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
ISP recomendation found
I switched yesterday to Comm.net.il from Interal/Eliat Internet after they switched their hardware to Bezeq. Comm.net.il is slightly more expensive, about as much as a Bezeq line plus the gamer package. But considerably out performs the Bezeq equivalent even at lower listed speeds. They do not appear to do any traffic shaping and do not block any ports. They responded to my installation problems (not their fault; old american router) immediate, and email responses were answered in less than 5 min. At one point they spent over 40min on the phone helping me. Excellent service. Mickey Israeli, the man who provided me with tech support, was also familiar (very) with Linux. VOIP, Torrents and streaming media all perform better on Comm.net.il than on Interal. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ISP recomendation found
Hi, Not trying to flame anyone, but Mickey Israeli IS one of the owners of Comm.net.il (see: http://www.db.ripe.net/whois?form_type=simplefull_query_string=searchtext=comm.net.ildo_search=Search), so comm.net.il is very small and one of the owners (or the owner). I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but being tiny has some advantages and some disadvantages, for example: you're paying a very high price for your connection compared to what other people here on this list pays, but I definitely understand your reasons. Good luck, Hetz 2009/11/3 Justin thelonecabb...@gmail.com I switched yesterday to Comm.net.il from Interal/Eliat Internet after they switched their hardware to Bezeq. Comm.net.il is slightly more expensive, about as much as a Bezeq line plus the gamer package. But considerably out performs the Bezeq equivalent even at lower listed speeds. They do not appear to do any traffic shaping and do not block any ports. They responded to my installation problems (not their fault; old american router) immediate, and email responses were answered in less than 5 min. At one point they spent over 40min on the phone helping me. Excellent service. Mickey Israeli, the man who provided me with tech support, was alsofamiliar (very) with Linux. VOIP, Torrents and streaming media all perform better on Comm.net.il than on Interal. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
