Re: Proposing lecturing activism
Are you the one who came to the last telux meeting and said similar things to the one in your message? On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 01:35:27PM -0700, Ian wrote: Peace, Linux lovers! I'm hereby offering to give free/open lectures/series/courses on a variety of topics... with the proviso that the community (that's you!) help make this have an impact on Linux/FLOSS adoption locally. Right?! Looks to me as if your message contains lot of enthusiasm but also too much expectations and desire to have an immediate impact. I believe you should drop *all* those expectations. If that still suits you then you might want to get in contact with one or more of the lecture hall providers that are around. I can list them if you want to. I can also be the man in the middle. Do take into account that I can hardly represent myself. Of course you can contact them any way but it is my belief that you will get disappointed, and not necessarily from their reaction. I hope Hamakor will take this up. And seriously. I suggest that *you* will start by pointing out what *exactly* would you like Hamakor to do or give. Yes, you already volunteer to talk and here I am, making more demands from you. That is how it runs. Yes, you already mentioned a lecture hall, getting lots of people and making sure it has a lot of impact. Other then a reasonable belief that arranging a lecture hall can be done, I have already suggested to lower your expectations. Lucky for all of us, this is only my opinion, and is certainly not expressed on behalf of Hamakor. In fact, I did not speak with them about this. There is still a chance that their opinion is a lot or just a little different. Details? Really, off the top of my head, mere suggestions (your feedback requested): And so on. In general, I will come at least once or twice to any talk of yours, no matter what the subject will be, provided it will take place in the Tel-Aviv area. One condition that some other people will raise is that the meetings will take place in another area. -- Ilan Are you Ilan or Ian? Any circumstances where you prefer one name on the other? -- Shaul Karl,shaulk @ actcom . net . il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposing lecturing activism
Hi, First, I would like to ask you, and everybody else, that if you have something you want Hamakor to comment about or do something about, make sure you at least CC one of the relevant Hamakor lists (board@ if you want something done, pr@ if this is something that requires public relations, assembly@ if this is something members should take action about, such as changing bylaws or complaining about the board (though comptrollers@ would probably be better for complaints), and discussions@ if this is something relevant to everyone who paid Hamakor). The point I'm trying to make is that floating suggestions/criticism/requests on a public list is ok and encouraged, I (and I believe others too) are less likely to get that criticism/suggestion/whatever. I give higher priority to my inbox than I do board@ messages (3 subscribers), and I certanly don't give linux-il (over 500 subscribers) the same priority as I do board. Now, to the point. Thanks for the offer. It's always welcome. The problem with your enthusiasm is that you are eager to make a difference. This means that you want a stage for speaking to the unconvinced. While good in theory, the main problem with speaking to the unconvinced is to get to them. While there is a lot of openness relating to 1 on 1 speaks (and I can also tell you that they have a non-negligant impact, at least as far as aleviating FUD), people don't easilly come to places to be preached to. As such, we have a very limited forum where we can do such things. One such place is the interest groups PeopleComputers are helping to organize. I can assure you that I'm trying to push through as many of our guys in there as possible. These are EXTREMELY far apart, and under publicised. In theory we can try and organize a conference (half day + lunch type thing). In order to do that, however, we need substantially more funding than we currently have. You cannot charge money in such events, and you need to give some fooddrinks. Those potentially have solutions (get commercial sponsors, but only let them present stuff outside sort of thing), but are a lot of work to do. If you think you can help with those aspects of things, I'll love to hear from you (hey - I'd love to hear from you anyways). Maybe we do have enough momentum to actually move ahead with such a thing. Also, about February or March I'm hoping we'll have another Go-Linux, and people will defenitely be open to hear those things. I'll post here (and elsewhere) when we need lecturers. shachar Ian wrote: Peace, Linux lovers! I'm hereby offering to give free/open lectures/series/courses on a variety of topics... with the proviso that the community (that's you!) help make this have an impact on Linux/FLOSS adoption locally. Right?! I'm a professional, avid lecturer, with years of experience in the training industry, and over 20 years of programming... and militant on free software. (And, BTW, looking for work -- your help most appreciated! :o) The _least_ I'd expect is help in getting a crowd (and I mean _a crowd_) show up. And I mean newbies (!), business people... any potential Linux converts who could use a push. (I disagree with Jonathan: Linux advocacy in IL ain't over -- quite the opposite!) Tentative offerings: 1. Web applications development (see below) 2. Security (for fun and profit; see below) 3. Python vs other PLs (for programmers... and language lawyers :o) Topics I'd need help with/love to help others with: 4. Unix haters (for advanced admins; bring protective gear and iodine) 5. Symposium on taking over the Israeli OS market: advice from marketing strategists and stories from the trenches 6. Continental philosophy... oops! off topic, just kidding et cetera. Oh, and of course I'd love to assist anyone with their own lectures, with didactics, syllabi construction, brain-storming... lots of free advice :o). I hope Hamakor will take this up. And seriously. Details? Really, off the top of my head, mere suggestions (your feedback requested): =Web applications development= A thorough, in-depth coverage of the technologies, the life-cycle, and meta issues. (Maybe a full course, or workshop, and actually building a _real-world_ site!) 1. Web technologies: the standards (IETF, W3C), accessibility (UAAG, i18n...), CGI/FCGI/Apache mods/HTTP servers, caching, hosting, virtual hosting, etc. 2. Software engineering: programming languages (dis/advantages, fitness to purpose, experiences), Web app frameworks/tools, life-cycle aspects (testing, adaptivity...), data modeling, quality of service aspects (confirmability, robustness...), etc. 3. Implementation: systems architecture (load balancing, middleware...), OO, persistence and pervasive paradigm, high availability. 4. Slandering Micrapsoft, pushing penguins and friends. :o) 5. Lively discussion (read: flaming), forking, early releases -- to take home! (Really, let's build a real(ly good) one! Python, Java... no PHP!)
Proposing lecturing activism
Peace, Linux lovers! I'm hereby offering to give free/open lectures/series/courses on a variety of topics... with the proviso that the community (that's you!) help make this have an impact on Linux/FLOSS adoption locally. Right?! I'm a professional, avid lecturer, with years of experience in the training industry, and over 20 years of programming... and militant on free software. (And, BTW, looking for work -- your help most appreciated! :o) The _least_ I'd expect is help in getting a crowd (and I mean _a crowd_) show up. And I mean newbies (!), business people... any potential Linux converts who could use a push. (I disagree with Jonathan: Linux advocacy in IL ain't over -- quite the opposite!) Tentative offerings: 1. Web applications development (see below) 2. Security (for fun and profit; see below) 3. Python vs other PLs (for programmers... and language lawyers :o) Topics I'd need help with/love to help others with: 4. Unix haters (for advanced admins; bring protective gear and iodine) 5. Symposium on taking over the Israeli OS market: advice from marketing strategists and stories from the trenches 6. Continental philosophy... oops! off topic, just kidding et cetera. Oh, and of course I'd love to assist anyone with their own lectures, with didactics, syllabi construction, brain-storming... lots of free advice :o). I hope Hamakor will take this up. And seriously. Details? Really, off the top of my head, mere suggestions (your feedback requested): =Web applications development= A thorough, in-depth coverage of the technologies, the life-cycle, and meta issues. (Maybe a full course, or workshop, and actually building a _real-world_ site!) 1. Web technologies: the standards (IETF, W3C), accessibility (UAAG, i18n...), CGI/FCGI/Apache mods/HTTP servers, caching, hosting, virtual hosting, etc. 2. Software engineering: programming languages (dis/advantages, fitness to purpose, experiences), Web app frameworks/tools, life-cycle aspects (testing, adaptivity...), data modeling, quality of service aspects (confirmability, robustness...), etc. 3. Implementation: systems architecture (load balancing, middleware...), OO, persistence and pervasive paradigm, high availability. 4. Slandering Micrapsoft, pushing penguins and friends. :o) 5. Lively discussion (read: flaming), forking, early releases -- to take home! (Really, let's build a real(ly good) one! Python, Java... no PHP!) =Security= For the curious, the paranoid, the inventive, and the pragmatists... probably not for script-kiddies. 1. History: overview of how infosec/infowar began, phreaking, hacking, cracking... Approaching Zero, The Hacker Crackdown, Underground, technoculture studies, free software activism, government reports (CyberCrime, Echelon...), and so on. 2. White hats: case studies, approaches to infosec (risk management; defense-in-depth), standards (ISO Common Criteria...), permission models (Bell-LaPadula, etc, expert systems)... sniffing, snooping, spoofing, snorting, scrubbing... and Satan and the Angels, too! 3. Black hats... (think so?) 4. Future: research directions, interesting stuff... 5. Micrapsoft slandering no end! And, sure enough, pushing penguins and friends. :o) And so on. I can conjure up more, if there are takers. Speak up! -- Ilan iajava(at)yahoo.com 08-946.4468 __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
