Re: Firefox 3 - random crashes
On Friday 20 March 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 09:33:14AM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: Ever since upgraging from Firefox 2.* to 3.0.7, How have you upgraded exactly? What distribution? From what packages? Sorry - thought it was clear from my signature - Mandriva 2008.1 - official RPMs. The script that starts firefox disabls output. Which is annoying. I agree :-) For starters, start it with: strace -f -o firefox_trace firefox I did try that a few days ago, but there was no real point, because the crashes are apparently random and usually happen after hours of running (when I'm not at the computer). In any case, it seems that FLASH was the problem since the browser has now been running for about 52 hours with no problems. There are 2 strange things that I'll have to look into. 1 - when I dis-abled FLASH, I discovered that both 9 and 10 were installed (don't ask how - I have no idea). Tomorrow I'll try re-enabling only one of them and see what happens. 2 - even though I'm now pretty sure that FLASH was the problem, I'm not clear on why, because I have the Flashblock extension installed and usually allow flash only when it's really needed - for instance on Youtube. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.9.9 (KDE 3.5.9) on LINUX Mandriva 2008.1 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Firefox 3 - random crashes
I would check to see what Add ons you have installed. I suspect that you have an Add On or Plugin that is not compatible. I have these and they are OK: Tic Tac (This lets you type right to left in GMail and others) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5814 Session Manager (remembers your open Tabs for when you reopen Firefox) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=Session+Managercat=all Dictionary choose the language English UK or US https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:3 Hspell for Hebrew (Hebrew spell checker https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=Hebrewcat=3%2C0 Colorful Tabs (each tab appears in its own distictive colour. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addons/policy/0/1368/37117 Dictionary Switcher (bounce between Hebrew English Dictionaries) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=Dictionary+Switchercat=all Locale Switcher (bounce between Hebrew English Dictionaries) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=Dictionary+Switchercat=all PDF Downloader Good for deciding how to download an Acrobat PDF https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/636 Download Helper Download youtube movies easily and some others https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006 Aeons gives (fantastic buttons for the browser) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/166 Cooliris Helps (you browse very fast indeed) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2207 Download it all (Mass file downloader helper) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:1/cat:5 Save Complete (save the complete webpage your viewing) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4723 Sifrei Kodesh Search, Tanach Mishneh etc (Nice Add On that works great!) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2820 Download a new version and install it. In the past this is how I got over the problem. Also some Cookies are so friendly that they do damage also. Moshe --- On Fri, 20/3/09, Shlomo Solomon shlomo.solo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Shlomo Solomon shlomo.solo...@gmail.com Subject: Firefox 3 - random crashes To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Date: Friday, 20 March, 2009, 9:33 AM -Inline Attachment Follows- Ever since upgraging from Firefox 2.* to 3.0.7, the browser randomly but FREQUENTLY closes for no **apparent** reason. Unfortunatly, about:crashes doesn't seem to work on Linux, so I have no idea where to look for the reason. I've looked at all the usual logs and ~/.mozilla/* and found nothing. Is there a Firefox specific log I should be looking at? To clarify one point, the browser is always open on my machine, but often (2 or 3 times a day), when I come back to the computer, Firefox has closed. So it's not happening when I try to get to a particular site, but when the browser is idle. In fact, I don't rememmber ever having a crash when trying to load a site. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.9.9 (KDE 3.5.9) on LINUX Mandriva 2008.1 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Firefox 3 - random crashes
Ever since upgraging from Firefox 2.* to 3.0.7, the browser randomly but FREQUENTLY closes for no **apparent** reason. Unfortunatly, about:crashes doesn't seem to work on Linux, so I have no idea where to look for the reason. I've looked at all the usual logs and ~/.mozilla/* and found nothing. Is there a Firefox specific log I should be looking at? To clarify one point, the browser is always open on my machine, but often (2 or 3 times a day), when I come back to the computer, Firefox has closed. So it's not happening when I try to get to a particular site, but when the browser is idle. In fact, I don't rememmber ever having a crash when trying to load a site. What extensions do you have installed? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Firefox 3 - random crashes
Tic Tac (This lets you type right to left in GMail and others) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5814 Ctrl-Shift-X will do that in all Mozilla applications, not addon necessary. Session Manager (remembers your open Tabs for when you reopen Firefox) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=Session+Managercat=all Built into Firefox 3 already. Dictionary choose the language English UK or US https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:3 Built into Firefox 3 already. Hspell for Hebrew (Hebrew spell checker https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=Hebrewcat=3%2C0 This should be in your Linux distro. Colorful Tabs (each tab appears in its own distictive colour. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addons/policy/0/1368/37117 Dictionary Switcher (bounce between Hebrew English Dictionaries) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=Dictionary+Switchercat=all Built into Firefox 3 already. Locale Switcher (bounce between Hebrew English Dictionaries) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=Dictionary+Switchercat=all Built into Firefox 3 already, at least for switching dictionaries. PDF Downloader Good for deciding how to download an Acrobat PDF https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/636 Built into Firefox 3 already. Download Helper Download youtube movies easily and some others https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006 Aeons gives (fantastic buttons for the browser) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/166 Cooliris Helps (you browse very fast indeed) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2207 Download it all (Mass file downloader helper) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:1/cat:5 Save Complete (save the complete webpage your viewing) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4723 Sifrei Kodesh Search, Tanach Mishneh etc (Nice Add On that works great!) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2820 Download a new version and install it. That is the Windows way of thinking, and it won't do a thing in Linux. In linux, you should remove your user's config files. For Firefox, that is usually ~/.mozilla In the past this is how I got over the problem. Also some Cookies are so friendly that they do damage also. Cookies don't do damage, that is a myth invented by the so-called Computer Security industry to scare people into spending money on their products. While cookies can be abused, they will _not_ crash your browser. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Firefox 3 - random crashes
Tic Tac (This lets you type right to left in GMail and others) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5814 Now I see what this does: it changes Hebrew characters to English when typing in the address bar. You might want to vote for this bug, or at least comment on it: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172791 The bug requests that this functionality be built into KDE for use in all applications. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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--- On Fri, 20/3/09, Moshe Brace using Yahoo mbrace...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Moshe Brace using Yahoo mbrace...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Firefox 3 - random crashes To: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com Date: Friday, 20 March, 2009, 10:57 AM Thanks Dotan, I didn't know where Mozilla keeps the config files ~/.mozilla. Yes your right, Anti-Spyware manufacturers scare people over Cookies and also your right they won't make your Firefox crash but they can slow down the speed of the Internet pages drastically. However there's still a privacy problem to handle even in Linux, but that is a different issue from what Shlomo wants to know. Like you Dotan, I think that an Add on is to blame in his Firefox. I listed what works OK for me - variety is the spice of life. Control Shift X should appear in the Edit Menu but if it doesn't then you have to enable it with going to about:config in Firefox and ignore any warnings and search for the preference called bidi.browser.ui, double click it set its value to true. Tic Tac is good for GMail. Moshe --- On Fri, 20/3/09, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Firefox 3 - random crashes To: Moshe Brace using Yahoo mbrace...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: shl...@the-solomons.net, Linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Date: Friday, 20 March, 2009, 10:42 AM Tic Tac (This lets you type right to left in GMail and others) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5814 Ctrl-Shift-X will do that in all Mozilla applications, not addon necessary. Session Manager (remembers your open Tabs for when you reopen Firefox) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=Session+Managercat=all Built into Firefox 3 already. Dictionary choose the language English UK or US https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:3 Built into Firefox 3 already. Hspell for Hebrew (Hebrew spell checker https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=Hebrewcat=3%2C0 This should be in your Linux distro. Colorful Tabs (each tab appears in its own distictive colour. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addons/policy/0/1368/37117 Dictionary Switcher (bounce between Hebrew English Dictionaries) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=Dictionary+Switchercat=all Built into Firefox 3 already. Locale Switcher (bounce between Hebrew English Dictionaries) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=Dictionary+Switchercat=all Built into Firefox 3 already, at least for switching dictionaries. PDF Downloader Good for deciding how to download an Acrobat PDF https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/636 Built into Firefox 3 already. Download Helper Download youtube movies easily and some others https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006 Aeons gives (fantastic buttons for the browser) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/166 Cooliris Helps (you browse very fast indeed) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2207 Download it all (Mass file downloader helper) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:1/cat:5 Save Complete (save the complete webpage your viewing) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4723 Sifrei Kodesh Search, Tanach Mishneh etc (Nice Add On that works great!) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2820 Download a new version and install it. That is the Windows way of thinking, and it won't do a thing in Linux. In linux, you should remove your user's config files. For Firefox, that is usually ~/.mozilla In the past this is how I got over the problem. Also some Cookies are so friendly that they do damage also. Cookies don't do damage, that is a myth invented by the so-called Computer Security industry to scare people into spending money on their products. While cookies can be abused, they will _not_ crash your browser. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Firefox 3 - random crashes
2 - Like both of you, I also suspect an add-on, but I have a large number of them - probably too many ;-). So the elimination process could take a long time (disable half of them and see what happens and so on). That's why I want to know which extensions you use. I have also had some crashes and I'd start with our common extensions. 3 - What I really want to know is whether there's any log that could help. As I wrote, about:crashes doesn't work in Linux (I wonder why). I don't think that there is, I've asked once on the Mozillazine forums and the reply was that there is no log. Thunderbird does log, so the code is there, but no used in Firefox. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Firefox 3 - random crashes
Thanks to Moshe and Dotan for their replies. Let me clarify a couple of things. 1 - I do know about safe-mode and yes, Moshe, it does work in Linux, but that doesn't help discover what was causing the crash. 2 - Like both of you, I also suspect an add-on, but I have a large number of them - probably too many ;-). So the elimination process could take a long time (disable half of them and see what happens and so on). BTW - all the add-ons I have claim to be compatible and when updating Firefox, the compatibility checker didn't flag any of them. In Firefox 2.* I had more add-ons, but some were disabled (not compatable) and there were several others that I decided to disable. 3 - What I really want to know is whether there's any log that could help. As I wrote, about:crashes doesn't work in Linux (I wonder why). -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.9.9 (KDE 3.5.9) on LINUX Mandriva 2008.1 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Firefox 3 - random crashes
about:crashes would aggregate your crash information as soon as you report them to Mozilla. Some Linux distributions are compiling Firefox without the crash reporter, in order to make the software more similar to their other applications and use the distribution crash reporter instead, so you'll report your crashes to them instead of the software developers team. I have wrote about this issue in my blog - http://tomercohen.com/2009/02/27/?p=537 In order to solve your issue, please download Firefox binaries directly from Mozilla and run it instead of your distro Firefox. Than, when Firefox will crash (in case it will), you'll prompted to report your crash to Mozilla and than you will be able to review your information in about:crashes. Thanks for that tip, I will also use the Mozilla binaries. Beside this, I am almost sure your crash isn't because of Firefox but Flash. Adobe Flash Player is very unstable application in Linux, and sometimes crash the browser or more dangerous stuff. I have not found this to be the case with Flash 10, which I am very impressed with. I am using the 32 bit version. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Firefox 3 - random crashes
Sorry for being a bit delayed. I hope my message will clarify few things. about:crashes would aggregate your crash information as soon as you report them to Mozilla. Some Linux distributions are compiling Firefox without the crash reporter, in order to make the software more similar to their other applications and use the distribution crash reporter instead, so you'll report your crashes to them instead of the software developers team. I have wrote about this issue in my blog - http://tomercohen.com/2009/02/27/?p=537 In order to solve your issue, please download Firefox binaries directly from Mozilla and run it instead of your distro Firefox. Than, when Firefox will crash (in case it will), you'll prompted to report your crash to Mozilla and than you will be able to review your information in about:crashes. Beside this, I am almost sure your crash isn't because of Firefox but Flash. Adobe Flash Player is very unstable application in Linux, and sometimes crash the browser or more dangerous stuff. On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 09:33, Shlomo Solomon shlomo.solo...@gmail.comwrote: Ever since upgraging from Firefox 2.* to 3.0.7, the browser randomly but FREQUENTLY closes for no **apparent** reason. Unfortunatly, about:crashes doesn't seem to work on Linux, so I have no idea where to look for the reason. I've looked at all the usual logs and ~/.mozilla/* and found nothing. Is there a Firefox specific log I should be looking at? To clarify one point, the browser is always open on my machine, but often (2 or 3 times a day), when I come back to the computer, Firefox has closed. So it's not happening when I try to get to a particular site, but when the browser is idle. In fact, I don't rememmber ever having a crash when trying to load a site. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.9.9 (KDE 3.5.9) on LINUX Mandriva 2008.1 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Tomer Sent from: Haifa Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Firefox 3 - random crashes
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 13:40, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Beside this, I am almost sure your crash isn't because of Firefox but Flash. Adobe Flash Player is very unstable application in Linux, and sometimes crash the browser or more dangerous stuff. I have not found this to be the case with Flash 10, which I am very impressed with. I am using the 32 bit version. I thought so at first, but Flash Player 10 is still a crash monster and swfdec/gnash are not as good as Adobe Flash sadly. -- Tomer Cohen http://tomercohen.com Sent from: Haifa Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Firefox 3 - random crashes
I decided that as a temporary measure, I'll disable FLASH to see if this solves the problem. If not, I'll start playing around with extensions. I'll let you know if I find out anything. On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 13:40, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Beside this, I am almost sure your crash isn't because of Firefox but Flash. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.9.9 (KDE 3.5.9) on LINUX Mandriva 2008.1 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Firefox 3 - random crashes
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 09:33:14AM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: Ever since upgraging from Firefox 2.* to 3.0.7, How have you upgraded exactly? What distribution? From what packages? the browser randomly but FREQUENTLY closes for no **apparent** reason. Unfortunatly, about:crashes doesn't seem to work on Linux, so I have no idea where to look for the reason. I've looked at all the usual logs and ~/.mozilla/* and found nothing. Is there a Firefox specific log I should be looking at? To clarify one point, the browser is always open on my machine, but often (2 or 3 times a day), when I come back to the computer, Firefox has closed. So it's not happening when I try to get to a particular site, but when the browser is idle. In fact, I don't rememmber ever having a crash when trying to load a site. The script that starts firefox disabls output. Which is annoying. For starters, start it with: strace -f -o firefox_trace firefox -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
