Re: X Server for windows

[Eli Marmor]

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Re: X Server for windows

[Yedidyah Bar-David]

On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 09:34:05PM +0200, Lior Kaplan wrote:
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>Hi All,
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> 
>Any recommendations on X server for windows?
> 
>I'd like to set some X forwarding.
> 
> 
> 
>I  saw  some  commercial  solutions,  but I need something free (as in
>beer...).

The Xserver of cygwin works quite well and is probably the best free one.
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>Thanks,
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Re: X Server for windows

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 09:34:05PM +0200, Lior Kaplan wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Any recommendations on X server for windows?
> I'd like to set some X forwarding.
> 
> I saw some commercial solutions, but I need something free (as in beer...).

XFree is part of cygwin (http://cygwin.com/ , a.k.a.
http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/ )

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Re: X Server for windows

[Lior Kaplan]

It seems that cygwin is a unanimous answer... thanks.

Regards,

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> On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 09:34:05PM +0200, Lior Kaplan wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Any recommendations on X server for windows?
> > I'd like to set some X forwarding.
> >
> > I saw some commercial solutions, but I need something free (as in
beer...).
>
> XFree is part of cygwin (http://cygwin.com/ , a.k.a.
> http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/ )
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Re: X Server for windows

[Shachar Shemesh]

Lior Kaplan wrote:

It seems that cygwin is a unanimous answer... thanks.

Regards,
 

Cygwin is the best free (either one) option. It does suffer from one 
fundemental problem - it must use a "virtual screen" mode. This means 
that xfree opens a Windows window, and all X-Windows live inside that space.

Commercial X-Server usually also carry an integrated mode, in which the 
X windows are opened as Windows windows, and the usual windows 
decorations are the X-Windows window manager (ok kids - see if you can 
count how many times the word "windows" appeared twice consecutively in 
this sentance :-).

Depending on your use type, you may find the later more convinent. For 
example, I usually ssh (via putty or other) to the remote machine, and 
only run more serious X applications on my desktop. Under this case, 
it's usually easier to be able to minimize individual X windows into the 
task bar. Unfortunetly, no free server allows that, that I'm aware of.

   Shachar
P.S.
Usually - back in the days I was using Windows. Approximately when I was 
still at the Technion - around 1998-2000.

 Sh.

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Re: X Server for windows

[Gil Freund]

Cygwin is probably the most popular (cygwin.com)
Weirdx is a java x-server (www.jcraft.com/weirdx), and is appropriately 
nnamed.
If you need speed, VNC is a better solution, although not an X-server

Gil

Lior Kaplan wrote:

Hi All,
 
Any recommendations on X server for windows?
I'd like to set some X forwarding.
 
I saw some commercial solutions, but I need something free (as in beer...).
 
Thanks,
 
Lior Kaplan
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http://www.Guides.co.il
 
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Re: X Server for windows

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:07:44PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:

> Cygwin is the best free (either one) option. It does suffer from one 
> fundemental problem - it must use a "virtual screen" mode. This means 
> that xfree opens a Windows window, and all X-Windows live inside that space.

Recent versions got over that problem. Now it has a rootless mode.

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Re: X Server for windows

[Micha Feigin]

On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 09:34:05PM +0200, Lior Kaplan wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Any recommendations on X server for windows?
> I'd like to set some X forwarding.
> 
> I saw some commercial solutions, but I need something free (as in beer...).
> 
> Thanks,
> 

I had some good experience with the X server that comes with cygwin,
although it can be a bit of a head ache to set up (only some of the
setup files in all the wrong places). It did give me font server
support including true type (couldn't get truetype and type1 going
together though, although its probably possible).
It does have an option to start without a big background window (as if
the programs are win32 native) although I am not sure I have seen it
documented.
Ran lyx, xterm, remote programs and remote sessions over XDMCP.
Once it was running I liked it better then the commercial counterparts I
used (excite, and the one lyx recommends for the trial version, don't
remember the name).

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Re: X Server for windows

[Micha Feigin]

On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:07:44PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> Lior Kaplan wrote:
> 
> >It seems that cygwin is a unanimous answer... thanks.
> >
> >Regards,
> > 
> >
> Cygwin is the best free (either one) option. It does suffer from one 
> fundemental problem - it must use a "virtual screen" mode. This means 
> that xfree opens a Windows window, and all X-Windows live inside that space.
> 

> Commercial X-Server usually also carry an integrated mode, in which the 
> X windows are opened as Windows windows, and the usual windows 
> decorations are the X-Windows window manager (ok kids - see if you can 
> count how many times the word "windows" appeared twice consecutively in 
> this sentance :-).
> 

Actually the cygwin version can also do that. I don't remember the
command line switch though. AFAIK it can't switch between the two modes
while running though like some of the commercial options.

> Depending on your use type, you may find the later more convinent. For 
> example, I usually ssh (via putty or other) to the remote machine, and 
> only run more serious X applications on my desktop. Under this case, 
> it's usually easier to be able to minimize individual X windows into the 
> task bar. Unfortunetly, no free server allows that, that I'm aware of.
> 
>Shachar
> P.S.
> Usually - back in the days I was using Windows. Approximately when I was 
> still at the Technion - around 1998-2000.
> 
>  Sh.
> 
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> Lingnu Open Systems Consulting
> http://www.lingnu.com/
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Re: X Server for windows

[Dan Fruehauf]

On Sunday 04 January 2004 21:34, Lior Kaplan wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Any recommendations on X server for windows?
> I'd like to set some X forwarding.
>
> I saw some commercial solutions, but I need something free (as in beer...).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lior Kaplan
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.Guides.co.il
>
> Come to write at the forums: http://www.guides.co.il/forums

I can speak for a commercial sollution which seems to be the best, as i ask 
people
If you decide to spent some $$, Exceed is the sollution i'm talking about. It 
has various features you wont get on other X servers, it is stable, one might 
say bloated a little, but it works really good.
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Re: X Server for windows

[Aaron]

I guess I must of missed something,
What can an xserver be used for on windoze??
Why might someone want one?
Thanks
Aaron
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Re: X Server for windows

[Yedidyah Bar-David]

On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 08:23:05AM +0200, Aaron wrote:
> I guess I must of missed something,
> What can an xserver be used for on windoze??
> Why might someone want one?

In order to run X clients on a remote machine and see them on your
local Windows machine.
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> Thanks
> Aaron
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RE: X Server for windows

[Honen, Oren]

All,
I used to work with Exceed and it works fine but it has 2 major
drawbacks:
1. When working with hi graphics, it is very slow and had some bugs.
2. I needed to share my data with co-workers so I needed another windowz
app. ( netmeeting if you insist )

I decided to move to (Real)VNC and recommend to others to use it.
1. It found to be much faster and all the bugs disappeared ( It actually
became the "yardstick" for working properly ).
2. I could use it to share data easily.
3. When people opened the viewer they found a different look and feel
than the usual windowz, and they liked it. They became familiar with
Linux, Gnome & KDE ( each with his favorite WM ). Some might say this is
the major win.

Just to be clear, VNC and Exceed servers were running in Linux machines.
Oren.


> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Behalf Of Dan Fruehauf
> 
> On Sunday 04 January 2004 21:34, Lior Kaplan wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Any recommendations on X server for windows?
> > I'd like to set some X forwarding.
> >
> > I saw some commercial solutions, but I need something free (as in
> beer...).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Lior Kaplan
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.Guides.co.il
> >
> > Come to write at the forums: http://www.guides.co.il/forums
> 
> I can speak for a commercial sollution which seems to be the best, as
i
> ask
> people
> If you decide to spent some $$, Exceed is the sollution i'm talking
about.
> It
> has various features you wont get on other X servers, it is stable,
one
> might
> say bloated a little, but it works really good.
> --
> Dan Fruehauf.
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Re: X Server for windows

[Lior Kaplan]

This way you can see & use Linux's applications on your windows.

The applications runs on the linux machine but sends her visual data to your
windows machine's X server. For example if you want to check how your site
looks in Konki without moving to another computer.

Regards,

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From: "Aaron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dan Fruehauf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Lior Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: X Server for windows


> I guess I must of missed something,
> What can an xserver be used for on windoze??
> Why might someone want one?
> Thanks
> Aaron
>
>
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Re: X Server for windows

[Ely Levy]

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, Shachar Shemesh wrote:

> Lior Kaplan wrote:
>
> >It seems that cygwin is a unanimous answer... thanks.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >
> Cygwin is the best free (either one) option. It does suffer from one
> fundemental problem - it must use a "virtual screen" mode. This means
> that xfree opens a Windows window, and all X-Windows live inside that space.

check out their site, they added the feature in their new xserver

Ely

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Re: X Server for windows

[Micha Feigin]

On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 09:00:18AM +0200, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 08:23:05AM +0200, Aaron wrote:
> > I guess I must of missed something,
> > What can an xserver be used for on windoze??
> > Why might someone want one?
> 
> In order to run X clients on a remote machine and see them on your
> local Windows machine.

Its also useful for running cygwin xapps locally. For example lyx can
run on windows but it requires cygwin and an X server (I actually did
it for a while trying to convert my girl friend, but it didn't work).

> -- 
> Didi
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> > Thanks
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Re: X Server for windows

[Yedidyah Bar-David]

On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 01:06:42PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 09:00:18AM +0200, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 08:23:05AM +0200, Aaron wrote:
> > > I guess I must of missed something,
> > > What can an xserver be used for on windoze??
> > > Why might someone want one?
> > 
> > In order to run X clients on a remote machine and see them on your
> > local Windows machine.
> 
> Its also useful for running cygwin xapps locally. For example lyx can
> run on windows but it requires cygwin and an X server (I actually did
> it for a while trying to convert my girl friend, but it didn't work).

If you insist, not only cygwin xapps. I had a chance to test a commercial
application that its windows port was X-based, and the distribution
also installed and used an X server (I think eXceed). But this is quite
rare, actually - e.g. in the case of LyX, you could theoretically make
a native port quite easily, if you had QT for Windows (which costs quite
a lot). Old apps, e.g. Motif based, are (were?) harder to port natively.
I can also give one practical example, I did myself 1-2 years ago: I ran
rdesktop on Windows, through mlview-dxpc (for compression), and to a
Windows X server, in order to compete against Citrix over a slow link.
Gave quite good results (close to Citrix and better than native RDP of
Windows 2000), but was very hard to setup. rdesktop and mlview-dxpc were
both compiled on cygwin, there was no Unix machine in the loop, only
"Unix technology".
But that's going way off topic ...
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Re: X Server for windows

[Orna Agmon]

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Dan Fruehauf wrote:

> On Sunday 04 January 2004 21:34, Lior Kaplan wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Any recommendations on X server for windows?
> > I'd like to set some X forwarding.
> >
> > I saw some commercial solutions, but I need something free (as in beer...).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Lior Kaplan
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.Guides.co.il
> >
> > Come to write at the forums: http://www.guides.co.il/forums
>
> I can speak for a commercial sollution which seems to be the best, as i ask
> people
> If you decide to spent some $$, Exceed is the sollution i'm talking about. It
> has various features you wont get on other X servers, it is stable, one might
> say bloated a little, but it works really good.

My current Exceed is version 7.0, and it has a small and annoying bug
(maybe it is not a bug, but all the technical support at my workplace
tried to make it work like it worked until version 6.0, and could not):

Several fonts went missing. Even after the fonts were added in the proper
place, Exceed no longer recognized them. In particular, Exceed gave emacs
non-fixed width fonts, when emacs asked for itallic fixed width.

Seems small, but it means that when I commented out code (and used an
itallic style for that) the length of the line changed significantly. This
resulted in me first abandoning itallic fonts, and soon after abandoning
Exceed altogether.

Long live putty! :)

Orna.

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