Re: Sending & receiving SMS in linux
2010/3/19 Herouth Maoz : > standardisation sometimes suppresses > innovation. Herouth, you are 100% correct. I would appreciate if you expressed that viewpoint and mentioned that wisdom on this bug report: New field type: working hours https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222684 Of course, you advocate the exact opposite of what I request on that bug report. Nonetheless, it is a point that I want to make to Kaddressbook devs on several issues. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Standards vs. Innovation (was: Sending & receiving SMS in linux)
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 08:03:17AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Innovation is, sometimes, hindered by standards, but, then again, the > opposite can also be said - lack of standards also hurts innovation. > Take any monopolistic Microsoft product as an example of that. > > All in all, as long as the market is relatively competitive, things tend > to sort themselves out. If you want to make yourself buzzword-compliant: IC: Innovation Compatible http://lwn.net/Articles/379551/ :-) -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Standards vs. Innovation (was: Sending & receiving SMS in linux)
Herouth Maoz wrote: For example, if you standardise on a document format for spreadsheets, e.g. ods, you basically hurt software that represent data in an innovative way (for example, I used to use a spreadsheet program in which the data was in small grids, and these grids were connected by formulas - rather than the giant grid that contains formulas and data which we are used to). But I suppose this is a political discussion so I'd better not pursue it. Why political? The program you are describing is not a "spread sheet". It might be more effective, and sure sound like it aims for a similar end market, but it is "something different". Innovation is, sometimes, hindered by standards, but, then again, the opposite can also be said - lack of standards also hurts innovation. Take any monopolistic Microsoft product as an example of that. All in all, as long as the market is relatively competitive, things tend to sort themselves out. Eventually. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Sending & receiving SMS in linux
On 18/03/2010, at 21:54, Elazar Leibovich wrote: Oh boy! That's what just I feared would happen. I thought we would know better than that now. Not sure who "we" are exactly. Anyway, standardisation sometimes suppresses innovation. For example, if you standardise on a document format for spreadsheets, e.g. ods, you basically hurt software that represent data in an innovative way (for example, I used to use a spreadsheet program in which the data was in small grids, and these grids were connected by formulas - rather than the giant grid that contains formulas and data which we are used to). But I suppose this is a political discussion so I'd better not pursue it. One more question please. Is what you said relevant to receiving SMS? Is this usually done also through HTTP POST? (And thanks alot! that's just the answer I sought.) Receiving SMS is a hairy business. But basically, like receiving delivery notifications, you usually need to set up a web service for the provider to access and give you the messages. Some providers (my company included) also allow usage of e-mail rather than HTTP. Just don't expect messages longer than 70 character to come in intact. :) Anyway, the bottom line is that you can do it on Linux quite well, but you can't standardise any of it. At best, you can offer an SMPP plugin as your default (there used to be other standards like UCP, but they are even more obsolete than SMPP nowadays). Even then, not all providers implement the standard in full so you need to be careful about the assumptions you make. Herouth___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Sending & receiving SMS in linux
There is a standard protocol called SMPP. However, fewer and fewer major vendors support it, as it doesn't support billing very well, and is GSM-biased. Most SMS providers - whether they are actual cellular providers or VARs - support some sort of HTTP based protocol - using standard POST with name-value pairs, XML or SOAP. However, the actual protocol (variable names, contents, authentication, XML format, return values, capabilities) differ from supplier to supplier. So it is going to be very hard to standardise. I suppose the best approach would be to create protocol plugins for various vendors. You'll also have to facilitate reception of delivery notifications. (Proper disclosure: I work in a company that offers such services). Herouth On 18/03/2010, at 21:27, Elazar Leibovich wrote: Is there a standard way to send SMS from a computer in Israel? I'm writing a program, and I want it to be able to send and recieve SMS in Israel. Shallow searching for the topic reveals sites such as this one http://www.goldman.co.il/SMS2USite/ which gives many, seemingly nonstandard, way to send SMS via the company. Many of those ways are not compatible with Linux. Is there a standard protocol to send and receive SMS via a computer program? Standard means for instance, that it will be supported by many vendors, or that it'll be supported in many countries. I'd rather keep my code as portable and standard as possible (so no thanks, windows only COM components are not the way to go). Clarification, I'm not interested with a script that uses some free service (such as ICQ) to send sms. But in paid service that is able to send many SMS for a list of subscribers. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Sending & receiving SMS in linux
Oh boy! That's what just I feared would happen. I thought we would know better than that now. One more question please. Is what you said relevant to receiving SMS? Is this usually done also through HTTP POST? (And thanks alot! that's just the answer I sought.) On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Herouth Maoz wrote: > There is a standard protocol called SMPP. However, fewer and fewer major > vendors support it, as it doesn't support billing very well, and is > GSM-biased. Most SMS providers - whether they are actual cellular providers > or VARs - support some sort of HTTP based protocol - using standard POST > with name-value pairs, XML or SOAP. However, the actual protocol (variable > names, contents, authentication, XML format, return values, capabilities) > differ from supplier to supplier. So it is going to be very hard to > standardise. I suppose the best approach would be to create protocol plugins > for various vendors. You'll also have to facilitate reception of delivery > notifications. > > (Proper disclosure: I work in a company that offers such services). > > Herouth > > On 18/03/2010, at 21:27, Elazar Leibovich wrote: > > Is there a standard way to send SMS from a computer in Israel? > I'm writing a program, and I want it to be able to send and recieve SMS in > Israel. > > Shallow searching for the topic reveals sites such as this one > http://www.goldman.co.il/SMS2USite/ which gives many, seemingly > nonstandard, way to send SMS via the company. Many of those ways are not > compatible with Linux. > > Is there a standard protocol to send and receive SMS via a computer > program? Standard means for instance, that it will be supported by many > vendors, or that it'll be supported in many countries. I'd rather keep my > code as portable and standard as possible (so no thanks, windows only COM > components are not the way to go). > > Clarification, I'm not interested with a script that uses some free service > (such as ICQ) to send sms. But in paid service that is able to send many SMS > for a list of subscribers. > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Sending & receiving SMS in linux
On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:42 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: Python runs on Symbian phones, maybe you could use the actual phone to send SMS. Gnokii (I think that's the name) also will let you interface with a Nokia phone and send from it SMS messages. I was thinking of something similar, and decided not to mention it. Aren't SMS's far too expensive to do that way? I inferred from his message that he was going to offer some sort of service, and wanted to be able send out thousands of SMS's a day. Not only would any of the 3 cell phone company's rates here be too high to stay in business, but they must have some sort of anti spam system which would kick in. My guess is the only way to do it is to contact the companies directly and see what they offer for high volume SMS customers. Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com New word I coined 12/13/09, "Sub-Wikipedia" adj, describing knowledge or understanding, as in he has a sub-wikipedia understanding of the situation. i.e possessing less facts or information than can be found in the Wikipedia. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Sending & receiving SMS in linux
2010/3/18 Elazar Leibovich : > Is there a standard way to send SMS from a computer in Israel? > I'm writing a program, and I want it to be able to send and recieve SMS in > Israel. > Shallow searching for the topic reveals sites such as this > one http://www.goldman.co.il/SMS2USite/ which gives many, seemingly > nonstandard, way to send SMS via the company. Many of those ways are not > compatible with Linux. > Is there a standard protocol to send and receive SMS via a computer program? > Standard means for instance, that it will be supported by many vendors, or > that it'll be supported in many countries. I'd rather keep my code as > portable and standard as possible (so no thanks, windows only COM components > are not the way to go). > Clarification, I'm not interested with a script that uses some free service > (such as ICQ) to send sms. But in paid service that is able to send many SMS > for a list of subscribers. Python runs on Symbian phones, maybe you could use the actual phone to send SMS. Gnokii (I think that's the name) also will let you interface with a Nokia phone and send from it SMS messages. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Sending & receiving SMS in linux
Is there a standard way to send SMS from a computer in Israel? I'm writing a program, and I want it to be able to send and recieve SMS in Israel. Shallow searching for the topic reveals sites such as this one http://www.goldman.co.il/SMS2USite/ which gives many, seemingly nonstandard, way to send SMS via the company. Many of those ways are not compatible with Linux. Is there a standard protocol to send and receive SMS via a computer program? Standard means for instance, that it will be supported by many vendors, or that it'll be supported in many countries. I'd rather keep my code as portable and standard as possible (so no thanks, windows only COM components are not the way to go). Clarification, I'm not interested with a script that uses some free service (such as ICQ) to send sms. But in paid service that is able to send many SMS for a list of subscribers. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
