Re: yad-vashem.org.il Hebrew site not accessible from non-IE!
On Thursday 22 April 2004 20:38, Orna Agmon wrote: > I wrote to them as well after Ilya posted his mail. And promptly I > got an email from their sysadmin, who thanked me for letting them know, > and assured me the situation has been remedied. This is very encouraging. I think it could be mentioned as an example of good-netizenship in the same web pages that document the problematic sites. This way we will have both good and bad examples and the advocacy may be more effective (i.e: compliant sites can be built in "real-life" and be fixed when needed). Of course, a thank you letter to his boss would be very effective too... -- Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron A physicist, an engineer, and a computer scientist were discussing the nature of God. Surely a Physicist, said the physicist, because early in the Creation, God made Light; and you know, Maxwell's equations, the dual nature of electro-magnetic waves, the relativist consequences... An Engineer!, said the engineer, because before making Light, God split the Chaos into Land and Water; it takes a hell of an engineer to handle that big amount of mud, and orderly separation of solids from liquids... The computer scientist shouted: And the Chaos, where do you think it was coming from, hmm? ---Anonymous = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yad-vashem.org.il Hebrew site not accessible from non-IE!
Orna Agmon wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Ori Idan wrote: I have just checked the www.yad-vashem.org.il web site using mozilla-firefox and found no problems. So I see no reason to write them about any problems with mozilla and I can't see the problems... It might be that they have fixed it. I wrote to them as well after Ilya posted his mail. And promptly I got an email from their sysadmin, who thanked me for letting them know, and assured me the situation has been remedied. Orna. Can you write him back and ask that he adds "dir=rtl" to their Hebrew pages as well? Text wraps around latin chars in the wrong direction. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting http://www.lingnu.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yad-vashem.org.il Hebrew site not accessible from non-IE!
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Ori Idan wrote: > I have just checked the www.yad-vashem.org.il web site using > mozilla-firefox and found no problems. > So I see no reason to write them about any problems with mozilla and I > can't see the problems... > It might be that they have fixed it. I wrote to them as well after Ilya posted his mail. And promptly I got an email from their sysadmin, who thanked me for letting them know, and assured me the situation has been remedied. Orna. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yad-vashem.org.il Hebrew site not accessible from non-IE!
I have just checked the www.yad-vashem.org.il web site using mozilla-firefox and found no problems. So I see no reason to write them about any problems with mozilla and I can't see the problems... It might be that they have fixed it. -- Ori Idan Ilya Konstantinov wrote: Clicking "Le Atar Be Ivrit" ( http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/heb_site/redirection.html ) leads to http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/heb_site/netscape_notice.html Translation: "Yad VaShem's web site is not viewable with a Netscape browser To allow this, install an Explorer browser or refer to the English site www.yadvashem.org.il Receive our appologies" (the clumsy phrasing and lack of punctuation is matching the original text) With Yad VaShem being a government-instituted organization, this is outrageous! Sounds like a job for HaMakor... Not surprisingly, if you go directly to the Hebrew site ( http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/heb_site/heb_index.html ) on Mozilla, it works great, including the DHTML menus. Their redirector JavaScript only lets browsers which claim to be "Microsoft Internet Explorer" through, while the rest are categorized as "Netscape" and sent to a dummy page. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yad-vashem.org.il Hebrew site not accessible from non-IE!
IK>> Can you see a governmental body make a change just to please the citizen IK>> (rather than to please the superiors)? In such simple case as this (needs just removing silly blocking javascript), it probably would be done if the email reaches the right person in the GB. In more complicated cases, it depends. Usually such change means they need to go to the site designers - which are usually some external company, chosen somewhere is the past for reasons hardky including Web standards compliance, unless the person in charge in the GB is uncommonly enlightened. Now, the site designers had already received their money, so they would either say it's impossible to make it better, or would require some additional sum of money - probably a substantial sum, why not, they do not have to compete anymore at this stage of the game. Usually, the person in chage in GB does not possess the expertise to know if the change is as complicated as design company claims or costs as much as they ask. So either he would - on his own risk - convince his superiors to allocate the additional budget - for improving the apparently working site - in which case advocacy could help, or he would pressure the design company into doing it with lower (or null) cost, arguing the web standards support is so important that any site not providing it is in fact malfunctioning. And here advocacy is even more important, since before convincing anybody about that would require the person in charge - again, probably not a very technical person - to be convinced. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-66-524945/\ JRRT LotR. whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yad-vashem.org.il Hebrew site not accessible from non-IE!
another sad story of pure ignorance and "over thinking" from the site developers side. Ilya, did you contact the webmasters there and told them that the side it perfectly viewed with mozilla? All that is needed, is remove the separate pages for Netscape. I did, and so far received no reply. See my letter below. When dealing with a government body such as Yad-VaShem, wouldn't a political approach (which HaMakor excels at, using subjects like "accessibility", "availability to every citizen", "government moving to open standards" etc.) work better than a technical mail? Can you see a governmental body make a change just to please the citizen (rather than to please the superiors)? -- This is the letter I've sent to the webmaster: -- Hello, I've noticed that the link to YadVaShem's Hebrew site leads to a redirection page, which tests (via JavaScript) for the Internet Explorer browser, and otherwise redirects the user to a page claiming he has a Netscape browser and that he should "upgrade". I tried browsing the Hebrew web site (via the URL http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/heb_site/ ) with recent version of Mozilla and Netscape web browsers and had no problems reading the text or navigating across the site. Neither did I have problems using it with the Konqueror web browser. Please remove the redirection page altogether or replace it with a simple: http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/heb_site/";> for the following reasons: 1. There are no problems browsing YadVaShem's web site with other browsers. 2. Even if the user's browser has any trouble displaying the site, the user should be left to decide. 3. We can't require all users to install Internet Explorer. Some users run operating systems for which Internet Explorer isn't available. Others don't install it because of the security risks. We shouldn't block them from Hebrew contents of Yad-VaShem, especially nowadays when the government itself promotes accessibility of governmental information systems and adoption of open standards. Thanks! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yad-vashem.org.il Hebrew site not accessible from non-IE!
another sad story of pure ignorance and "over thinking" from the site developers side. Ilya, did you contact the webmasters there and told them that the side it perfectly viewed with mozilla? All that is needed, is remove the separate pages for Netscape. Konqueror from KDE 3.1 does not have problems with this site either. On Saturday 10 April 2004 19:39, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: > Clicking "Le Atar Be Ivrit" > ( http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/heb_site/redirection.html ) > leads to > http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/heb_site/netscape_notice.html > > Translation: > "Yad VaShem's web site is not viewable with a Netscape browser > To allow this, install an Explorer browser > or refer to the English site www.yadvashem.org.il > > Receive our appologies" > (the clumsy phrasing and lack of punctuation is matching > the original text) > > With Yad VaShem being a government-instituted organization, this is > outrageous! Sounds like a job for HaMakor... > > Not surprisingly, if you go directly to the Hebrew site > ( http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/heb_site/heb_index.html ) on Mozilla, it > works great, including the DHTML menus. > Their redirector JavaScript only lets browsers which claim to be > "Microsoft Internet Explorer" through, while the rest are categorized > as "Netscape" and sent to a dummy page. > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- diego, kde-il translation team Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
yad-vashem.org.il Hebrew site not accessible from non-IE!
Clicking "Le Atar Be Ivrit" ( http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/heb_site/redirection.html ) leads to http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/heb_site/netscape_notice.html Translation: "Yad VaShem's web site is not viewable with a Netscape browser To allow this, install an Explorer browser or refer to the English site www.yadvashem.org.il Receive our appologies" (the clumsy phrasing and lack of punctuation is matching the original text) With Yad VaShem being a government-instituted organization, this is outrageous! Sounds like a job for HaMakor... Not surprisingly, if you go directly to the Hebrew site ( http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/heb_site/heb_index.html ) on Mozilla, it works great, including the DHTML menus. Their redirector JavaScript only lets browsers which claim to be "Microsoft Internet Explorer" through, while the rest are categorized as "Netscape" and sent to a dummy page. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
