Re: Binary Drivers
Horst H. von Brand wrote: David Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [..] . The point is that any rights the manufacturer may have had to the car should have been sold along with the car, otherwise it's not a normal free and clear sale. A normal free and clear sale includes all rights to the item sold, except those specific laws allows the manufacturer to retain. This is complete nonsense. The car manufacturer can very well agree with you to sell you the right to only drive the car on weekdays, and rent it off on weekends. Nothing forces them to sell "all rights they have on the car". You failed to notice the "free and clear" part of David's post. -n - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Binary Drivers
Horst H. von Brand wrote: David Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] . The point is that any rights the manufacturer may have had to the car should have been sold along with the car, otherwise it's not a normal free and clear sale. A normal free and clear sale includes all rights to the item sold, except those specific laws allows the manufacturer to retain. This is complete nonsense. The car manufacturer can very well agree with you to sell you the right to only drive the car on weekdays, and rent it off on weekends. Nothing forces them to sell all rights they have on the car. You failed to notice the free and clear part of David's post. -n - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Binary Drivers
Robert Hancock wrote: Nikolaos D. Bougalis wrote: Manufacturers design product as they see fit and offer it on the market; I don't see nVidia or ATI thugs twisting your arm behind you as you walk down the aisle of Fry's Electronics saying "buy this nice card we made or I'll break your arm." If you need high-performance 3D they might as well be, as realistically ATI and NVIDIA are the only providers of high-performance video for the consumer market. Nobody else makes anything that competes, not even onboard video chipsets like Intel, SiS, etc. My point was that nowadays most manufacturers, as a matter of course, do not provide full details on how the hardware is programmed, and there appears to be no significant market for high-performance 3D graphics with an open specification. I do not like owning a space heater with nifty DVI outputs, and that is a fact I take into account when I make a purchasing decision for graphics cards I will be using with Linux. But I realize that ultimately, companies respond to markets, and not idealism and know that ACME Hardware will publish the specs for their rocket-shoes when the piece of the Linux rocket-shoe pie becomes lucrative enough. And because I do, I try to change the market and educate consumers -- not browbeat companies or turn the piece into a crumble by limiting what consumers can do. -n - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Binary Drivers
Robert Hancock wrote: Nikolaos D. Bougalis wrote: Manufacturers design product as they see fit and offer it on the market; I don't see nVidia or ATI thugs twisting your arm behind you as you walk down the aisle of Fry's Electronics saying buy this nice card we made or I'll break your arm. If you need high-performance 3D they might as well be, as realistically ATI and NVIDIA are the only providers of high-performance video for the consumer market. Nobody else makes anything that competes, not even onboard video chipsets like Intel, SiS, etc. My point was that nowadays most manufacturers, as a matter of course, do not provide full details on how the hardware is programmed, and there appears to be no significant market for high-performance 3D graphics with an open specification. I do not like owning a space heater with nifty DVI outputs, and that is a fact I take into account when I make a purchasing decision for graphics cards I will be using with Linux. But I realize that ultimately, companies respond to markets, and not idealism and know that ACME Hardware will publish the specs for their rocket-shoes when the piece of the Linux rocket-shoe pie becomes lucrative enough. And because I do, I try to change the market and educate consumers -- not browbeat companies or turn the piece into a crumble by limiting what consumers can do. -n - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Binary Drivers
Denis Vlasenko wrote: Why vendor has a right to restrict me to a few existing OSes? Manufacturers design product as they see fit and offer it on the market; I don't see nVidia or ATI thugs twisting your arm behind you as you walk down the aisle of Fry's Electronics saying "buy this nice card we made or I'll break your arm." The bottom line is this: companies speak dollarese expertly. If you don't like product X because it does not include specs or don't like the policies of its manufacturer towards the community then vote with your wallet. -n - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Binary Drivers
Denis Vlasenko wrote: Why vendor has a right to restrict me to a few existing OSes? Manufacturers design product as they see fit and offer it on the market; I don't see nVidia or ATI thugs twisting your arm behind you as you walk down the aisle of Fry's Electronics saying buy this nice card we made or I'll break your arm. The bottom line is this: companies speak dollarese expertly. If you don't like product X because it does not include specs or don't like the policies of its manufacturer towards the community then vote with your wallet. -n - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
