Re: Bind mount bug?

2007-11-11 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Frans!

Let's see whether I can explain this (I'm not a guru...)

On 11 Nov 2007, at 11:06, Frans Pop wrote:


I'm not sure whether this is a bug or expected behavior.
Suppose I create a "looped" bind mount situation as follows.

# mkdir test
# touch test/foo
# mkdir bindtest
# touch bindtest/bar
# mkdir bindtest/test
# mount --bind test/ bindtest/test/
# ls bindtest/test/
foo
# mount --bind bindtest/ test/


This mounts the bindtest/ tree on test/ _without_ copying the mount  
points which are found on subtrees. This is necessary to avoid loops  
in the filesystem (bind mounts are somewhat like hardlinks on  
directories, just without the headaches).



# ls test/
bar  test
# ls test/test/
#

This lists the contents of the original bintest/test/ directory which  
you created above. Creating e.g. a file in there stores that file  
physically in bindtest/test/bla, where "test" does _not_ mean the  
bind mount but the underlying directory here.


I'd expected the last command to list "foo", but it shows an empty  
dir.
Shouldn't it also show the original contents of test (as they were  
before

the first bind mount)?

# mount | grep test
/root/test on /root/bindtest/test type none (rw,bind)
/root/bindtest on /root/test type none (rw,bind)

You see, the bindtest/test/ mount was not propagated to test/test/.  
This is very much by design. You can e.g. do


# mkdir -p test/test
# mount --bind test test/test
# ls test/test
test
# ls test/test/test
#

so there is no loop (`find test` would actually say that it  
terminates because it has detected a loop, so it cannot be used to  
test this).


# touch test/test/test/a
# ls test/test/test
a
# ls test/test
# umount test/test
# ls test/test
a
#

So, you see, test/test/test/a was (as it should) physically created  
in test/test, where it is shadowed by the bind mount as long as that  
is not removed. Nothing vanishes into "thin air" ;-)


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Re: Bind mount bug?

2007-11-11 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Frans!

Let's see whether I can explain this (I'm not a guru...)

On 11 Nov 2007, at 11:06, Frans Pop wrote:


I'm not sure whether this is a bug or expected behavior.
Suppose I create a looped bind mount situation as follows.

# mkdir test
# touch test/foo
# mkdir bindtest
# touch bindtest/bar
# mkdir bindtest/test
# mount --bind test/ bindtest/test/
# ls bindtest/test/
foo
# mount --bind bindtest/ test/


This mounts the bindtest/ tree on test/ _without_ copying the mount  
points which are found on subtrees. This is necessary to avoid loops  
in the filesystem (bind mounts are somewhat like hardlinks on  
directories, just without the headaches).



# ls test/
bar  test
# ls test/test/
#

This lists the contents of the original bintest/test/ directory which  
you created above. Creating e.g. a file in there stores that file  
physically in bindtest/test/bla, where test does _not_ mean the  
bind mount but the underlying directory here.


I'd expected the last command to list foo, but it shows an empty  
dir.
Shouldn't it also show the original contents of test (as they were  
before

the first bind mount)?

# mount | grep test
/root/test on /root/bindtest/test type none (rw,bind)
/root/bindtest on /root/test type none (rw,bind)

You see, the bindtest/test/ mount was not propagated to test/test/.  
This is very much by design. You can e.g. do


# mkdir -p test/test
# mount --bind test test/test
# ls test/test
test
# ls test/test/test
#

so there is no loop (`find test` would actually say that it  
terminates because it has detected a loop, so it cannot be used to  
test this).


# touch test/test/test/a
# ls test/test/test
a
# ls test/test
# umount test/test
# ls test/test
a
#

So, you see, test/test/test/a was (as it should) physically created  
in test/test, where it is shadowed by the bind mount as long as that  
is not removed. Nothing vanishes into thin air ;-)


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Roland

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Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-26 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Zoltan!

On 26 Jun 2007, at 16:37, Zoltán HUBERT wrote:


If your vendor don't want to support you anymore, try
getting the source.


I was asking for a stable kernel, like 2.4, 2.2, 2.0 were
before. 2.6 is not. It's a great kernel, better than that
of MacOS X, I never said you were doing a bad job, quite
the contrary. I wouldn't be using Linux since 10 years if I
thought it stinks. I never asked support for closed source
drivers, only a stable kernel.

Whatever "stable" means.

What you mean by "stable" pretty much excludes any serious  
development, without which the Linux kernel would very soon be  
obsolete. If you want a stable system, then don't change it. If you  
update to a kernel which is 2.5 years newer, you simply cannot have  
stability, because that would mean stagnation, aka "death".


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Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-26 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Zoltan!

On 26 Jun 2007, at 16:37, Zoltán HUBERT wrote:


If your vendor don't want to support you anymore, try
getting the source.


I was asking for a stable kernel, like 2.4, 2.2, 2.0 were
before. 2.6 is not. It's a great kernel, better than that
of MacOS X, I never said you were doing a bad job, quite
the contrary. I wouldn't be using Linux since 10 years if I
thought it stinks. I never asked support for closed source
drivers, only a stable kernel.

Whatever stable means.

What you mean by stable pretty much excludes any serious  
development, without which the Linux kernel would very soon be  
obsolete. If you want a stable system, then don't change it. If you  
update to a kernel which is 2.5 years newer, you simply cannot have  
stability, because that would mean stagnation, aka death.


Ciao,
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Re: Long file names in VFAT broken with iocharset=utf8

2007-05-07 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi!

On 7 May 2007, at 20:27, OGAWA Hirofumi wrote:


Roland Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

PATH_MAX specifically counts _bytes_ not characters, so UTF-8 does
not matter. ISTR that PATH_MAX was 256 at some point, but I just
quickly grepped /usr/include and found various mention of 4096, so
where's the central repository for this configuration item? A hard-
coded value of 256 somewhere inside the kernel smells like a bug.


There is a nasty issue here. FAT is limited by 255 unicode chars or  
so.

So, we would need to count number of unicode chars of filename.

No, we don't. At least not when looking at the POSIX spec, which  
explicitly mentions _bytes_ and _not_ unicode characters. So, to be  
on the safe side, FAT filesystems would need to support a NAME_MAX of  
roughly 6*255+3=1533 bytes (not to mention the hassles of forbidden  
sequences, etc.; do we need to count zero-width characters?) and  
report it through pathconf() to userspace, then userspace could do  
with that whatever it liked.


What happened to: "file names are just sequences of octets, excluding  
'/' and NUL"? Adding unicode parsing to the kernel is completely  
useless _and_ a big trouble maker.


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Re: Long file names in VFAT broken with iocharset=utf8

2007-05-07 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Andrey!

On 7 May 2007, at 19:51, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:

This was posted in one of Russian forums. It was not possible to  
archive
(under Linux, using tar) vfat directory where files had long  
Russian names
(really long - over 150 - 170 characters) - tar returned stat  
failure. When

looking with plain ls, file names appeared truncated.

Now looking at current (2.6.21) fat driver, __fat_readdir allocates  
large
enough buffer (PAGE_SIZE-522) for UTF-8 name; but for  
iocharset=utf8 it calls
uni16_to_x8() which artificially limits length of UTF-8 name to  
256 ... which
is obviously not enough for long UTF-8 Russian string (2 bytes per  
character)
not to mention the - theoretical - general case of 6 bytes UTF-8  
characters.


Similar problem has apparently vfat_lookup()->...->fat_search_long 
() call
chain. Except this appears to be broken even in case of "utf8",  
because

fat_search_long allocates fixed 256 bytes buffer for UTF-8 name.

Am I off track here?

PATH_MAX specifically counts _bytes_ not characters, so UTF-8 does  
not matter. ISTR that PATH_MAX was 256 at some point, but I just  
quickly grepped /usr/include and found various mention of 4096, so  
where's the central repository for this configuration item? A hard- 
coded value of 256 somewhere inside the kernel smells like a bug.


Ciao,
Roland

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Re: Long file names in VFAT broken with iocharset=utf8

2007-05-07 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Andrey!

On 7 May 2007, at 19:51, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:

This was posted in one of Russian forums. It was not possible to  
archive
(under Linux, using tar) vfat directory where files had long  
Russian names
(really long - over 150 - 170 characters) - tar returned stat  
failure. When

looking with plain ls, file names appeared truncated.

Now looking at current (2.6.21) fat driver, __fat_readdir allocates  
large
enough buffer (PAGE_SIZE-522) for UTF-8 name; but for  
iocharset=utf8 it calls
uni16_to_x8() which artificially limits length of UTF-8 name to  
256 ... which
is obviously not enough for long UTF-8 Russian string (2 bytes per  
character)
not to mention the - theoretical - general case of 6 bytes UTF-8  
characters.


Similar problem has apparently vfat_lookup()-...-fat_search_long 
() call
chain. Except this appears to be broken even in case of utf8,  
because

fat_search_long allocates fixed 256 bytes buffer for UTF-8 name.

Am I off track here?

PATH_MAX specifically counts _bytes_ not characters, so UTF-8 does  
not matter. ISTR that PATH_MAX was 256 at some point, but I just  
quickly grepped /usr/include and found various mention of 4096, so  
where's the central repository for this configuration item? A hard- 
coded value of 256 somewhere inside the kernel smells like a bug.


Ciao,
Roland

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Re: Long file names in VFAT broken with iocharset=utf8

2007-05-07 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi!

On 7 May 2007, at 20:27, OGAWA Hirofumi wrote:


Roland Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

PATH_MAX specifically counts _bytes_ not characters, so UTF-8 does
not matter. ISTR that PATH_MAX was 256 at some point, but I just
quickly grepped /usr/include and found various mention of 4096, so
where's the central repository for this configuration item? A hard-
coded value of 256 somewhere inside the kernel smells like a bug.


There is a nasty issue here. FAT is limited by 255 unicode chars or  
so.

So, we would need to count number of unicode chars of filename.

No, we don't. At least not when looking at the POSIX spec, which  
explicitly mentions _bytes_ and _not_ unicode characters. So, to be  
on the safe side, FAT filesystems would need to support a NAME_MAX of  
roughly 6*255+3=1533 bytes (not to mention the hassles of forbidden  
sequences, etc.; do we need to count zero-width characters?) and  
report it through pathconf() to userspace, then userspace could do  
with that whatever it liked.


What happened to: file names are just sequences of octets, excluding  
'/' and NUL? Adding unicode parsing to the kernel is completely  
useless _and_ a big trouble maker.


Ciao,
Roland

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Re: [OOPS] 2.6.21-rc6-git5 in cfq_dispatch_insert

2007-04-25 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Jens!

On 25 Apr 2007, at 12:18, Jens Axboe wrote:


On Wed, Apr 25 2007, Brad Campbell wrote:

Jens Axboe wrote:

It looks to be extremely rare. Aliases are extremely rare, front  
merges
are rare. And you need both to happen with the details you  
outlined. But
it's a large user base, and we've had 3-4 reports on this in the  
past
months. So it obviously does happen. I could not make it trigger  
without

doctoring the unplug code when I used aio.


Well, not that rare on this particular machine (I had a case where  
I could
reproduce it in less than an hour of normal use previously on this  
box),

and I've had it occur a number of times on my servers, I just never
reported it before as I never took the time to set up a serial  
console and

capture the oops.


Extremely rare in the sense that it takes md and some certain  
conditions
to happen for it to trigger. So for most people it'll be extremely  
rare,

and for others (such as yourself) that hit it, it wont be so rare :-)


Here's a fix for it, confirmed.


Shall I leave the other debugging in, apply this and run it for a  
few hard

days?


Yes, that would be perfect!

Okay, I left all debugging patches in, disabled all kernel  
debugging .config stuff and gave it a spin with our usual "killer"  
workload (as far as batch systems are repeatable anyway) and so far  
there was not a single glitch or message, so I preliminarily conclude  
that the bug is squashed. The final word will come once my 1800 batch  
jobs are processed and I have my particle physics result ;-)


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Re: [OOPS] 2.6.21-rc6-git5 in cfq_dispatch_insert

2007-04-25 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Jens!

On 25 Apr 2007, at 12:18, Jens Axboe wrote:


On Wed, Apr 25 2007, Brad Campbell wrote:

Jens Axboe wrote:

It looks to be extremely rare. Aliases are extremely rare, front  
merges
are rare. And you need both to happen with the details you  
outlined. But
it's a large user base, and we've had 3-4 reports on this in the  
past
months. So it obviously does happen. I could not make it trigger  
without

doctoring the unplug code when I used aio.


Well, not that rare on this particular machine (I had a case where  
I could
reproduce it in less than an hour of normal use previously on this  
box),

and I've had it occur a number of times on my servers, I just never
reported it before as I never took the time to set up a serial  
console and

capture the oops.


Extremely rare in the sense that it takes md and some certain  
conditions
to happen for it to trigger. So for most people it'll be extremely  
rare,

and for others (such as yourself) that hit it, it wont be so rare :-)


Here's a fix for it, confirmed.


Shall I leave the other debugging in, apply this and run it for a  
few hard

days?


Yes, that would be perfect!

Okay, I left all debugging patches in, disabled all kernel  
debugging .config stuff and gave it a spin with our usual killer  
workload (as far as batch systems are repeatable anyway) and so far  
there was not a single glitch or message, so I preliminarily conclude  
that the bug is squashed. The final word will come once my 1800 batch  
jobs are processed and I have my particle physics result ;-)


Ciao,
Roland

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Re: [OOPS] 2.6.21-rc6-git5 in cfq_dispatch_insert

2007-04-24 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Jens!

On 24 Apr 2007, at 14:32, Jens Axboe wrote:


On Tue, Apr 24 2007, Roland Kuhn wrote:

Hi Jens!

[I made a typo in the Cc: list so that lkml is only included as of
now. Actually I copied the typo from you ;-) ]


Well no, you started the typo, I merely propagated it and forgot to  
fix

it up :-)


Actually, I copied it from your printk() ;-) (thinking helps...)


Sure. You might want to include NFS file access into your tests,
since we've not triggered this with locally accessing the disks.
BTW:


How are you exporting the directory (what exports options) - how
is it
mounted by the client(s)? What chunksize is your raid6 using?


And what are the nature of the files on the raid (huge, small, ?)  
and
what are the client(s) doing? Just approximately, I know these  
things

can be hard/difficult/impossible to specify.


The files are 100-400MB in size and the client is merging them into a
new file in the same directory using the ROOT library, which does in
essence alternating sequences of

_llseek(somewhere)
read(n bytes)
_llseek(somewhere+n)
read(m bytes)
...

and then

_llseek(somewhere)
rt_sigaction(ignore INT)
write(n bytes)
rt_sigaction(INT->DFL)
time()
_llseek(somewhere+n)
...

where n is of the the order of 30kB. The input files are treated
sequentially, not randomly.


Ok, I'll see if I can reproduce it. No luck so far, I'm afraid.


Too bad.


BTW: the machine just stopped dead, no sign whatsoever on console or
netconsole, so I rebooted with elevator=deadline
(need to get some work done besides ;-) )


Unfortunately expected, if we can race and lose an update to - 
>next_rq,
we can race and corrupt some of the internal data structures as  
well. If
you have the time and inclination, it would be interesting to see  
if you

can reproduce with some debugging options enabled:

- Enable all preempt, spinlock and lockdep debugging measures
- Possibly slab poisoning, although that may slow you down somewhat


Kernel compilation under way, will report back.


Are you using 4kb stacks?

No idea, 'grep -i stack .config' gives no indication, but ISTR that  
4k was made the default some time back?


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Re: [OOPS] 2.6.21-rc6-git5 in cfq_dispatch_insert

2007-04-24 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Jens!

[I made a typo in the Cc: list so that lkml is only included as of  
now. Actually I copied the typo from you ;-) ]


On 24 Apr 2007, at 11:40, Jens Axboe wrote:


On Tue, Apr 24 2007, Jens Axboe wrote:

On Tue, Apr 24 2007, Roland Kuhn wrote:

Hi Jens!

On 24 Apr 2007, at 11:18, Jens Axboe wrote:


On Tue, Apr 24 2007, Roland Kuhn wrote:

Hi Jens!

We're using a custom built fileserver (dual core Athlon64, using
x64_64 arch) with 22 disks in a RAID6 and while resyncing /dev/md2
(9.1GB ext3) after a hardware incident (cable pulled on one  
disk) the

machine would reliably oops while serving some large files over
NFSv3. The oops message scrolled partly off the screen, but the IP
was in cfq_dispatch_insert, so I tried your debug patch from
yesterday with 2.6.21-rc7. I used netconsole for capturing the  
output

(which works nicely, thanks Matt!) and as usual the condition
triggered after about half a minute, this with the following  
printout

instead of crashing (still works fine):

cfq: rbroot not empty, but ->next_rq == NULL! Fixing up, report  
the

issue to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cfq: busy=1,drv=1,timer=0
cfq rr_list:
cfq busy_list:
 4272: sort=0,next=,q=0/1,a=2/0,d=0/1,f=221
cfq idle_list:
cfq cur_rr:
cfq: rbroot not empty, but ->next_rq == NULL! Fixing up, report  
the

issue to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cfq: busy=1,drv=1,timer=0
cfq rr_list:
cfq busy_list:
 4276: sort=0,next=,q=0/1,a=2/0,d=0/1,f=221
cfq idle_list:
cfq cur_rr:

There was no backtrace, so the only thing I can tell is that  
for the
previous crashes some nfs threads were always involved, only  
once did

it happen inside an interrupt handler (with the "aieee" kind of
message).

If you want me to try something else, don't hesitate to ask!


Nifty, great that you can reproduce so quickly. I'll try a 3-drive
raid6
here and see if read activity along with a resync will trigger
anything.
If that doesn't work for me, I'll provide you with a more extensive
debug patch (if you don't mind).


Sure. You might want to include NFS file access into your tests,
since we've not triggered this with locally accessing the disks.  
BTW:


How are you exporting the directory (what exports options) - how  
is it

mounted by the client(s)? What chunksize is your raid6 using?


And what are the nature of the files on the raid (huge, small, ?) and
what are the client(s) doing? Just approximately, I know these things
can be hard/difficult/impossible to specify.

The files are 100-400MB in size and the client is merging them into a  
new file in the same directory using the ROOT library, which does in  
essence alternating sequences of


_llseek(somewhere)
read(n bytes)
_llseek(somewhere+n)
read(m bytes)
...

and then

_llseek(somewhere)
rt_sigaction(ignore INT)
write(n bytes)
rt_sigaction(INT->DFL)
time()
_llseek(somewhere+n)
...

where n is of the the order of 30kB. The input files are treated  
sequentially, not randomly.


BTW: the machine just stopped dead, no sign whatsoever on console or  
netconsole, so I rebooted with elevator=deadline

(need to get some work done besides ;-) )

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Roland

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Re: [OOPS] 2.6.21-rc6-git5 in cfq_dispatch_insert

2007-04-24 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Jens!

[I made a typo in the Cc: list so that lkml is only included as of  
now. Actually I copied the typo from you ;-) ]


On 24 Apr 2007, at 11:40, Jens Axboe wrote:


On Tue, Apr 24 2007, Jens Axboe wrote:

On Tue, Apr 24 2007, Roland Kuhn wrote:

Hi Jens!

On 24 Apr 2007, at 11:18, Jens Axboe wrote:


On Tue, Apr 24 2007, Roland Kuhn wrote:

Hi Jens!

We're using a custom built fileserver (dual core Athlon64, using
x64_64 arch) with 22 disks in a RAID6 and while resyncing /dev/md2
(9.1GB ext3) after a hardware incident (cable pulled on one  
disk) the

machine would reliably oops while serving some large files over
NFSv3. The oops message scrolled partly off the screen, but the IP
was in cfq_dispatch_insert, so I tried your debug patch from
yesterday with 2.6.21-rc7. I used netconsole for capturing the  
output

(which works nicely, thanks Matt!) and as usual the condition
triggered after about half a minute, this with the following  
printout

instead of crashing (still works fine):

cfq: rbroot not empty, but -next_rq == NULL! Fixing up, report  
the

issue to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cfq: busy=1,drv=1,timer=0
cfq rr_list:
cfq busy_list:
 4272: sort=0,next=,q=0/1,a=2/0,d=0/1,f=221
cfq idle_list:
cfq cur_rr:
cfq: rbroot not empty, but -next_rq == NULL! Fixing up, report  
the

issue to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cfq: busy=1,drv=1,timer=0
cfq rr_list:
cfq busy_list:
 4276: sort=0,next=,q=0/1,a=2/0,d=0/1,f=221
cfq idle_list:
cfq cur_rr:

There was no backtrace, so the only thing I can tell is that  
for the
previous crashes some nfs threads were always involved, only  
once did

it happen inside an interrupt handler (with the aieee kind of
message).

If you want me to try something else, don't hesitate to ask!


Nifty, great that you can reproduce so quickly. I'll try a 3-drive
raid6
here and see if read activity along with a resync will trigger
anything.
If that doesn't work for me, I'll provide you with a more extensive
debug patch (if you don't mind).


Sure. You might want to include NFS file access into your tests,
since we've not triggered this with locally accessing the disks.  
BTW:


How are you exporting the directory (what exports options) - how  
is it

mounted by the client(s)? What chunksize is your raid6 using?


And what are the nature of the files on the raid (huge, small, ?) and
what are the client(s) doing? Just approximately, I know these things
can be hard/difficult/impossible to specify.

The files are 100-400MB in size and the client is merging them into a  
new file in the same directory using the ROOT library, which does in  
essence alternating sequences of


_llseek(somewhere)
read(n bytes)
_llseek(somewhere+n)
read(m bytes)
...

and then

_llseek(somewhere)
rt_sigaction(ignore INT)
write(n bytes)
rt_sigaction(INT-DFL)
time()
_llseek(somewhere+n)
...

where n is of the the order of 30kB. The input files are treated  
sequentially, not randomly.


BTW: the machine just stopped dead, no sign whatsoever on console or  
netconsole, so I rebooted with elevator=deadline

(need to get some work done besides ;-) )

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Roland

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Re: [OOPS] 2.6.21-rc6-git5 in cfq_dispatch_insert

2007-04-24 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Jens!

On 24 Apr 2007, at 14:32, Jens Axboe wrote:


On Tue, Apr 24 2007, Roland Kuhn wrote:

Hi Jens!

[I made a typo in the Cc: list so that lkml is only included as of
now. Actually I copied the typo from you ;-) ]


Well no, you started the typo, I merely propagated it and forgot to  
fix

it up :-)


Actually, I copied it from your printk() ;-) (thinking helps...)


Sure. You might want to include NFS file access into your tests,
since we've not triggered this with locally accessing the disks.
BTW:


How are you exporting the directory (what exports options) - how
is it
mounted by the client(s)? What chunksize is your raid6 using?


And what are the nature of the files on the raid (huge, small, ?)  
and
what are the client(s) doing? Just approximately, I know these  
things

can be hard/difficult/impossible to specify.


The files are 100-400MB in size and the client is merging them into a
new file in the same directory using the ROOT library, which does in
essence alternating sequences of

_llseek(somewhere)
read(n bytes)
_llseek(somewhere+n)
read(m bytes)
...

and then

_llseek(somewhere)
rt_sigaction(ignore INT)
write(n bytes)
rt_sigaction(INT-DFL)
time()
_llseek(somewhere+n)
...

where n is of the the order of 30kB. The input files are treated
sequentially, not randomly.


Ok, I'll see if I can reproduce it. No luck so far, I'm afraid.


Too bad.


BTW: the machine just stopped dead, no sign whatsoever on console or
netconsole, so I rebooted with elevator=deadline
(need to get some work done besides ;-) )


Unfortunately expected, if we can race and lose an update to - 
next_rq,
we can race and corrupt some of the internal data structures as  
well. If
you have the time and inclination, it would be interesting to see  
if you

can reproduce with some debugging options enabled:

- Enable all preempt, spinlock and lockdep debugging measures
- Possibly slab poisoning, although that may slow you down somewhat


Kernel compilation under way, will report back.


Are you using 4kb stacks?

No idea, 'grep -i stack .config' gives no indication, but ISTR that  
4k was made the default some time back?


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Roland

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Re: Two questions regarding Opening files within Kernel!

2007-04-07 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi!

On 7 Apr 2007, at 08:58, JanuGerman wrote:

1)   I have just a file path with me, an absolute path, but no  
dentry, no inode, no vfsmount object, which function i can call to  
get a "file" object associated with the absoulte file path. I have  
surfed arround the source code especially fs/open.c and some other  
files, but each function requires a parameter "mode" and "fd"  
beside file path. Actually, i was confuse about the "mode"  
parameter (and its differece with "flag"), like what to send, and  
secondly for "fd", i am not sure, what value to send as there is no  
file infact and only file path exists. Any idea?



No, but I'm no guru either.

2) Any functionality within linux kernel source code, to read one  
line per file? or some indirect way to set buffer size for one  
read?. That is, any existing header file for doing text I/O rather  
than binary within the kernel source code?


Do you have a compelling reason for not letting userspace feed the  
file to your driver? That would be the natural and much easier way, I  
suppose...


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Re: Two questions regarding Opening files within Kernel!

2007-04-07 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi!

On 7 Apr 2007, at 08:58, JanuGerman wrote:

1)   I have just a file path with me, an absolute path, but no  
dentry, no inode, no vfsmount object, which function i can call to  
get a file object associated with the absoulte file path. I have  
surfed arround the source code especially fs/open.c and some other  
files, but each function requires a parameter mode and fd  
beside file path. Actually, i was confuse about the mode  
parameter (and its differece with flag), like what to send, and  
secondly for fd, i am not sure, what value to send as there is no  
file infact and only file path exists. Any idea?



No, but I'm no guru either.

2) Any functionality within linux kernel source code, to read one  
line per file? or some indirect way to set buffer size for one  
read?. That is, any existing header file for doing text I/O rather  
than binary within the kernel source code?


Do you have a compelling reason for not letting userspace feed the  
file to your driver? That would be the natural and much easier way, I  
suppose...


Ciao,
Roland

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Re: [RFC] div64_64 support

2007-03-06 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Andi!

On 6 Mar 2007, at 15:45, Andi Kleen wrote:



Let me see... You throw code like that and expect someone to actually
understand it in one year, and be able to correct a bug ?


To be honest I don't expect any bugs in this function.




Please add something, an URL or even better a nice explanation,  
per favor...


It's straight out of Hacker's delight which is referenced in the  
commit

log.

And it's pretty neat, too. Hint: (y+1)**3 = y**3 + 3*y**2 + 3*y + 1.  
The algorithm is exactly the same as for calculating the cubic root  
on paper, digit by digit. I found that algo in the school notebook of  
my grandpa (late 1920ies), a pity that it's not taught anymore...  
pocket calculators _do_ have downsides ;-)


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Re: [RFC] div64_64 support

2007-03-06 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Andi!

On 6 Mar 2007, at 15:45, Andi Kleen wrote:


rant
Let me see... You throw code like that and expect someone to actually
understand it in one year, and be able to correct a bug ?


To be honest I don't expect any bugs in this function.


/rant

Please add something, an URL or even better a nice explanation,  
per favor...


It's straight out of Hacker's delight which is referenced in the  
commit

log.

And it's pretty neat, too. Hint: (y+1)**3 = y**3 + 3*y**2 + 3*y + 1.  
The algorithm is exactly the same as for calculating the cubic root  
on paper, digit by digit. I found that algo in the school notebook of  
my grandpa (late 1920ies), a pity that it's not taught anymore...  
pocket calculators _do_ have downsides ;-)


Ciao,
Roland

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Re: O_NONBLOCK setting "leak" outside of a process??

2007-02-02 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Guillaume!

On 2 Feb 2007, at 14:48, Guillaume Chazarain wrote:


2007/2/2, Roland Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


That's a bug, right?


No, if you want something like: (echo toto; date; echo titi) > file
to work in your shell, you'll be happy to have the seek position
shared in the processes.

As a naive user I'd probably expect that each of the above adds to  
the output, which perfectly fits the O_APPEND flag (to be set by the  
shell, of course).


The immediate point was about the flags, though, and having  
O_NONBLOCK on or off certainly is a _design_ choice when writing a  
program. If I remove O_NONBLOCK, I have a right to expect that I/O  
functions do not return EAGAIN!


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Re: O_NONBLOCK setting "leak" outside of a process??

2007-02-02 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Philippe!

On 2 Feb 2007, at 00:15, Philippe Troin wrote:


Denis Vlasenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


What share the same file descriptor? MC and programs started from it?


All the processes started from your shell share at least fds 0, 1  
and 2.



I thought after exec() fds atre either closed (if CLOEXEC) or
becoming independent from parent process
(i.e. it you seek, close, etc your fd, parent would not notice that).

Am I wrong?


I'm afraid so.  Seek position and flags are still shared after an
exec.

That's a bug, right? I couldn't find anything to that effect in IEEE  
Std. 1003.1, 2004 Edition...


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Re: O_NONBLOCK setting leak outside of a process??

2007-02-02 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Philippe!

On 2 Feb 2007, at 00:15, Philippe Troin wrote:


Denis Vlasenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


What share the same file descriptor? MC and programs started from it?


All the processes started from your shell share at least fds 0, 1  
and 2.



I thought after exec() fds atre either closed (if CLOEXEC) or
becoming independent from parent process
(i.e. it you seek, close, etc your fd, parent would not notice that).

Am I wrong?


I'm afraid so.  Seek position and flags are still shared after an
exec.

That's a bug, right? I couldn't find anything to that effect in IEEE  
Std. 1003.1, 2004 Edition...


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Roland

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Re: O_NONBLOCK setting leak outside of a process??

2007-02-02 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Guillaume!

On 2 Feb 2007, at 14:48, Guillaume Chazarain wrote:


2007/2/2, Roland Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


That's a bug, right?


No, if you want something like: (echo toto; date; echo titi)  file
to work in your shell, you'll be happy to have the seek position
shared in the processes.

As a naive user I'd probably expect that each of the above adds to  
the output, which perfectly fits the O_APPEND flag (to be set by the  
shell, of course).


The immediate point was about the flags, though, and having  
O_NONBLOCK on or off certainly is a _design_ choice when writing a  
program. If I remove O_NONBLOCK, I have a right to expect that I/O  
functions do not return EAGAIN!


Ciao,
Roland

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Re: PROBLEM: KB->KiB, MB -> MiB, ... (IEC 60027-2)

2007-01-22 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Jan!

On 21 Jan 2007, at 22:12, Jan Engelhardt wrote:


How fast is your Ethernet port?  100Mbps or 95.37Mbps?


Same lie like with harddrives. It's around 80, not 100.
But it depends on how you look at it. 80 for Layer3, possibly
a little more for Layer2/1.

Nope, I get consistently 12e6 bytes/sec, which is 96e6 bits/sec  
across 100Mbps ethernet, fitting nicely with the frame overhead (some  
50 bytes out of 1500, without TCP options). So no lie here. With  
gigabit I'm not completely sure yet, still have to see the advertised  
125e6 symbols/sec (got only as far as 115e6 up to now).


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Re: PROBLEM: KB-KiB, MB - MiB, ... (IEC 60027-2)

2007-01-22 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi Jan!

On 21 Jan 2007, at 22:12, Jan Engelhardt wrote:


How fast is your Ethernet port?  100Mbps or 95.37Mbps?


Same lie like with harddrives. It's around 80, not 100.
But it depends on how you look at it. 80 for Layer3, possibly
a little more for Layer2/1.

Nope, I get consistently 12e6 bytes/sec, which is 96e6 bits/sec  
across 100Mbps ethernet, fitting nicely with the frame overhead (some  
50 bytes out of 1500, without TCP options). So no lie here. With  
gigabit I'm not completely sure yet, still have to see the advertised  
125e6 symbols/sec (got only as far as 115e6 up to now).


Ciao,
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Re: UPDATE: out of vmalloc space - but vmalloc parameter does not allow boot

2005-04-04 Thread Roland Kuhn
Hi Ranko!
On Apr 4, 2005, at 4:36 PM, Ranko Zivojnovic wrote:
(please do CC replies as I am still not on the list)
As I am kind of pressured to resolve this issue, I've set up a test
environment using VMWare in order to reproduce the problem and
(un)fortunately the attempt was successful.
I have noticed a few points that relate to the size of the physical RAM
and the behavior vmalloc. As I am not sure if this is by design or a
bug, so please someone enlighten me:
The strange thing I have seen is that with the increase of the physical
RAM, the VmallocTotal in the /proc/meminfo gets smaller! Is this how it
is supposed to be?
Well, I'm by no means a VM expert (not even a regular kernel hacker), 
but it seems to me that the sum of LowTotal and VmallocTotal is rather 
constant for the different settings. Alas, I cannot offer an 
explanation why this should be, so hopefully a knowledgeable person 
will shed some light on this issue.

Ciao,
Roland
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Re: UPDATE: out of vmalloc space - but vmalloc parameter does not allow boot

2005-04-04 Thread Roland Kuhn
Hi Ranko!
On Apr 4, 2005, at 4:36 PM, Ranko Zivojnovic wrote:
(please do CC replies as I am still not on the list)
As I am kind of pressured to resolve this issue, I've set up a test
environment using VMWare in order to reproduce the problem and
(un)fortunately the attempt was successful.
I have noticed a few points that relate to the size of the physical RAM
and the behavior vmalloc. As I am not sure if this is by design or a
bug, so please someone enlighten me:
The strange thing I have seen is that with the increase of the physical
RAM, the VmallocTotal in the /proc/meminfo gets smaller! Is this how it
is supposed to be?
Well, I'm by no means a VM expert (not even a regular kernel hacker), 
but it seems to me that the sum of LowTotal and VmallocTotal is rather 
constant for the different settings. Alas, I cannot offer an 
explanation why this should be, so hopefully a knowledgeable person 
will shed some light on this issue.

Ciao,
Roland
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Re: [BK] upgrade will be needed

2005-02-17 Thread Roland Kuhn
Hi Clemens!
On Feb 17, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Clemens Schwaighofer wrote:
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That said, it would of course be possible to improve the internal
workflow of our emperor penguin if he used subversion, but the
collaboration with others could not benefit the way it does with a
changeset-based approach.
Question is then, what about keeping a main trunk with the vanialle
release, and each dev has its own branch. now at a certain point you
have to merge them. Now where is the difference between a central rep
and a de-central one.
At day X, patches from Andrew's tree have to go to Linus tree and from
his tree into the new vanialla kernel. right?
Somehow I can't see the difference here.
The difference comes after the merge. Suppose Andrew didn't push 
everything to Linus. Then new patches come in, both trees change. In 
this situation it is very time consuming with subversion to work out 
the changes which still have to go from Andrew's tree to Linus' tree.

Ciao,
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Re: [BK] upgrade will be needed

2005-02-17 Thread Roland Kuhn
Hi Clemens!
On Feb 17, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Clemens Schwaighofer wrote:
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On 02/17/2005 04:55 PM, Roland Kuhn wrote:
That said, it would of course be possible to improve the internal
workflow of our emperor penguin if he used subversion, but the
collaboration with others could not benefit the way it does with a
changeset-based approach.
Question is then, what about keeping a main trunk with the vanialle
release, and each dev has its own branch. now at a certain point you
have to merge them. Now where is the difference between a central rep
and a de-central one.
At day X, patches from Andrew's tree have to go to Linus tree and from
his tree into the new vanialla kernel. right?
Somehow I can't see the difference here.
The difference comes after the merge. Suppose Andrew didn't push 
everything to Linus. Then new patches come in, both trees change. In 
this situation it is very time consuming with subversion to work out 
the changes which still have to go from Andrew's tree to Linus' tree.

Ciao,
Roland
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Re: [BK] upgrade will be needed

2005-02-16 Thread Roland Kuhn
Hi Clemens!
On Feb 17, 2005, at 1:11 AM, Clemens Schwaighofer wrote:
first. what kind of advantages does bk have over other svn? Seriously.
If Apache can use it, and gcc might use it (again two very large
projects), what makes linux so differetnt that it can't.
And I don't want _anything_ from Larry. I am just pointing out, that
this kind of legal clause is more ridicolous than understandable.
Well, I'm obviously not Larry, so here are my 2ct:
Subversion is superior to CVS in all respects, but that is not an 
overly strong statement. The main problem is that it is centralized in 
a way that hinders the parallel existence of development branches 
because it does not properly support the shuffling of changes back and 
forth between trees. It all works fine until you want to _partially_ 
synchronize two trees and keep the ability to continue development on 
both of them. (Been there, done that, it was a major PITA even in a 
rather small project. Works fine for my PhD thesis, though ;-) )

That said, it would of course be possible to improve the internal 
workflow of our emperor penguin if he used subversion, but the 
collaboration with others could not benefit the way it does with a 
changeset-based approach.

Last, why can you compare cvs to bk? and not subversion, or arch? arch
and subversion are way superiour to cvs ...
SCM is hard and not sexy, I'm afraid.
yes its hard, so we have to use bk with a very strange license?
better close the eyes and not change. What do you think is kernel
coding? Walk in the park? Do you think all those developers say, nah I
better use Windows or Mac OS X, because its hard and not sexy ... pah
... BS!
Linux kernel development is hard _and_ sexy :-)
Ciao,
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Re: [BK] upgrade will be needed

2005-02-16 Thread Roland Kuhn
Hi Clemens!
On Feb 17, 2005, at 1:11 AM, Clemens Schwaighofer wrote:
first. what kind of advantages does bk have over other svn? Seriously.
If Apache can use it, and gcc might use it (again two very large
projects), what makes linux so differetnt that it can't.
And I don't want _anything_ from Larry. I am just pointing out, that
this kind of legal clause is more ridicolous than understandable.
Well, I'm obviously not Larry, so here are my 2ct:
Subversion is superior to CVS in all respects, but that is not an 
overly strong statement. The main problem is that it is centralized in 
a way that hinders the parallel existence of development branches 
because it does not properly support the shuffling of changes back and 
forth between trees. It all works fine until you want to _partially_ 
synchronize two trees and keep the ability to continue development on 
both of them. (Been there, done that, it was a major PITA even in a 
rather small project. Works fine for my PhD thesis, though ;-) )

That said, it would of course be possible to improve the internal 
workflow of our emperor penguin if he used subversion, but the 
collaboration with others could not benefit the way it does with a 
changeset-based approach.

Last, why can you compare cvs to bk? and not subversion, or arch? arch
and subversion are way superiour to cvs ...
SCM is hard and not sexy, I'm afraid.
yes its hard, so we have to use bk with a very strange license?
better close the eyes and not change. What do you think is kernel
coding? Walk in the park? Do you think all those developers say, nah I
better use Windows or Mac OS X, because its hard and not sexy ... pah
... BS!
Linux kernel development is hard _and_ sexy :-)
Ciao,
Roland
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2.4.4 Oops in ext2 and strange /proc/ksyms

2001-06-13 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi folks!

After seeing the Oops below (and rebooting), I looked into /proc/ksyms
(because ksymoops complained about mismatches), and I could not find
system_call, do_page_fault, etc. Shouldn't they be there? When doing
ksymoops with /proc/ksyms I found recursive calling of do_brk, which
for sure is not the right thing.

The machine is a dual PII-450, kernel is 2.4.4 vanilla with Neil Brown's
knfsd-patch.

--
ksymoops 2.4.0 on i686 2.4.4.  Options used
 -V (default)
 -K (specified)
 -l /proc/modules (default)
 -o /lib/modules/2.4.4/ (default)
 -m /usr/src/linux/System.map (specified)

No modules in ksyms, skipping objects
No ksyms, skipping lsmod
Oops: 0002
CPU: 0
EIP: 0010:[]
Using defaults from ksymoops -t elf32-i386 -a i386
EFLAGS: 00010246
eax:   ebx: c16d32f8  ecx: c16d32f8  edx: c023b0c0
esi: c16d32f8  edi: c5b556e4  ebp:   esp: c2dbded4
ds: 0018  es: 0018  ss: 0018
Process g++ (pid: 24364, stackpage=c2dbd000)
Stack:  c16d32f8  c0124c06  c16d32f8  c16d32f8  c0124e6b  c16d32f8    c2dbdf18
d38f71c0  dd7c5ba0  c015af38  dd7c5ba0  c2dbdf18    c5b556e4  c63dc140
c0124f27    c5b55640  c028ab40  df56fa20  c0149cf5  c5b556e4  
Call Trace: [] [] [] [] [] 
[] []
[] [] [] [] []
Code: ff 48 18 8b 53 04 8b 03 89 50 04 89 02 8b 43 10 c7 43 08 00

>>EIP; c0124b96 <__remove_inode_page+26/60>   <=
Trace; c0124c06 
Trace; c0124e6b 
Trace; c015af38 
Trace; c0124f27 
Trace; c0149cf5 
Trace; c0147e46 
Trace; c013e7d9 
Trace; c0140c9a 
Trace; c013f9aa 
Trace; c0140d6a 
Trace; c0111ef0 
Trace; c0106edb 
Code;  c0124b96 <__remove_inode_page+26/60>
 <_EIP>:
Code;  c0124b96 <__remove_inode_page+26/60>   <=
   0:   ff 48 18  decl   0x18(%eax)   <=
Code;  c0124b99 <__remove_inode_page+29/60>
   3:   8b 53 04  mov0x4(%ebx),%edx
Code;  c0124b9c <__remove_inode_page+2c/60>
   6:   8b 03 mov(%ebx),%eax
Code;  c0124b9e <__remove_inode_page+2e/60>
   8:   89 50 04  mov%edx,0x4(%eax)
Code;  c0124ba1 <__remove_inode_page+31/60>
   b:   89 02 mov%eax,(%edx)
Code;  c0124ba3 <__remove_inode_page+33/60>
   d:   8b 43 10  mov0x10(%ebx),%eax
Code;  c0124ba6 <__remove_inode_page+36/60>
  10:   c7 43 08 00 00 00 00  movl   $0x0,0x8(%ebx)

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2.4.4 Oops in ext2 and strange /proc/ksyms

2001-06-13 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi folks!

After seeing the Oops below (and rebooting), I looked into /proc/ksyms
(because ksymoops complained about mismatches), and I could not find
system_call, do_page_fault, etc. Shouldn't they be there? When doing
ksymoops with /proc/ksyms I found recursive calling of do_brk, which
for sure is not the right thing.

The machine is a dual PII-450, kernel is 2.4.4 vanilla with Neil Brown's
knfsd-patch.

--
ksymoops 2.4.0 on i686 2.4.4.  Options used
 -V (default)
 -K (specified)
 -l /proc/modules (default)
 -o /lib/modules/2.4.4/ (default)
 -m /usr/src/linux/System.map (specified)

No modules in ksyms, skipping objects
No ksyms, skipping lsmod
Oops: 0002
CPU: 0
EIP: 0010:[c0124b96]
Using defaults from ksymoops -t elf32-i386 -a i386
EFLAGS: 00010246
eax:   ebx: c16d32f8  ecx: c16d32f8  edx: c023b0c0
esi: c16d32f8  edi: c5b556e4  ebp:   esp: c2dbded4
ds: 0018  es: 0018  ss: 0018
Process g++ (pid: 24364, stackpage=c2dbd000)
Stack:  c16d32f8  c0124c06  c16d32f8  c16d32f8  c0124e6b  c16d32f8    c2dbdf18
d38f71c0  dd7c5ba0  c015af38  dd7c5ba0  c2dbdf18    c5b556e4  c63dc140
c0124f27    c5b55640  c028ab40  df56fa20  c0149cf5  c5b556e4  
Call Trace: [c0124c06] [c0124e6b] [c015af38] [c0124f27] [c0149cf5] 
[c0147e46] [c013e7d9]
[c0140c9a] [c013f9aa] [c0140d6a] [c0111ef0] [c0106edb]
Code: ff 48 18 8b 53 04 8b 03 89 50 04 89 02 8b 43 10 c7 43 08 00

EIP; c0124b96 __remove_inode_page+26/60   =
Trace; c0124c06 remove_inode_page+36/40
Trace; c0124e6b truncate_list_pages+12b/1a0
Trace; c015af38 ext2_delete_entry+98/100
Trace; c0124f27 truncate_inode_pages+47/80
Trace; c0149cf5 iput+a5/170
Trace; c0147e46 d_delete+66/b0
Trace; c013e7d9 vfs_permission+89/120
Trace; c0140c9a vfs_unlink+17a/1b0
Trace; c013f9aa lookup_hash+4a/e0
Trace; c0140d6a sys_unlink+9a/110
Trace; c0111ef0 do_page_fault+0/470
Trace; c0106edb system_call+33/38
Code;  c0124b96 __remove_inode_page+26/60
 _EIP:
Code;  c0124b96 __remove_inode_page+26/60   =
   0:   ff 48 18  decl   0x18(%eax)   =
Code;  c0124b99 __remove_inode_page+29/60
   3:   8b 53 04  mov0x4(%ebx),%edx
Code;  c0124b9c __remove_inode_page+2c/60
   6:   8b 03 mov(%ebx),%eax
Code;  c0124b9e __remove_inode_page+2e/60
   8:   89 50 04  mov%edx,0x4(%eax)
Code;  c0124ba1 __remove_inode_page+31/60
   b:   89 02 mov%eax,(%edx)
Code;  c0124ba3 __remove_inode_page+33/60
   d:   8b 43 10  mov0x10(%ebx),%eax
Code;  c0124ba6 __remove_inode_page+36/60
  10:   c7 43 08 00 00 00 00  movl   $0x0,0x8(%ebx)

Ciao,
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iptables port remapping problem (was: [newbie] NFS client:port-unreachable)

2001-06-04 Thread Roland Kuhn

On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Trond Myklebust wrote:

> Are /home and /compass on the same mount point on the client though?
> If not, then they won't share the same port.
>
> IOW: they will only share the same port if you have '/' as the NFS
> mountpoint.

When I mount via nfs each mount gets its own local port to communicate
with the server. Looking at /proc/net/ip_conntrack I see that one such
port (797) got remapped to 772, so I see packets emerging from 772 and
getting back from the server, but the mapping is not done upon receive, so
that it does not reach port 797 (where it originally came from) but port
772 which has no process attached. This results in an ICMP_PORT_UNREACH to
the server and an nfs client not getting an answer. This problem can be
cured by 'rmmod ip_conntrack' and restarting the firewall, which is not a
good solution.

My conclusion: Either iptables has a problem when remapping ports under
moderate load (several RPCs masqueraded per second) or the nfs-client does
not properly reserve the local port when mounting.

BTW: I use util-linux-2.11d but still get 'nfs warning: mount version
older than kernel'.

DETAILS: I have a DECstation being nis domain server and nfs server for
/home, /compass, /usr/local and some other things (all different
directories on the server, I have given the mount points for the clients).
There are a dozen clients being served without problems, mostly running
2.2.14 (RedHat 6.2), some 2.4.2 (SuSE 7.1). Besides I have another server
(RedHat 7.1, kernel 2.4.4 with knfsd-reiserfs-patch from namesys.com),
which also mounts /home and /compass from the DEC and serves some internal
disk space to a linux cluster (RedHat 6.2). This server has IP 217, but
masquerades (via iptables -j SNAT) the cluster as having IPs 218 or 219
(roughly half of the 32 machines on each address), since the cluster
machines have no other connection to the internet because we ran out of
IPs.

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iptables port remapping problem (was: [newbie] NFS client:port-unreachable)

2001-06-04 Thread Roland Kuhn

On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Trond Myklebust wrote:

 Are /home and /compass on the same mount point on the client though?
 If not, then they won't share the same port.

 IOW: they will only share the same port if you have '/' as the NFS
 mountpoint.

When I mount via nfs each mount gets its own local port to communicate
with the server. Looking at /proc/net/ip_conntrack I see that one such
port (797) got remapped to 772, so I see packets emerging from 772 and
getting back from the server, but the mapping is not done upon receive, so
that it does not reach port 797 (where it originally came from) but port
772 which has no process attached. This results in an ICMP_PORT_UNREACH to
the server and an nfs client not getting an answer. This problem can be
cured by 'rmmod ip_conntrack' and restarting the firewall, which is not a
good solution.

My conclusion: Either iptables has a problem when remapping ports under
moderate load (several RPCs masqueraded per second) or the nfs-client does
not properly reserve the local port when mounting.

BTW: I use util-linux-2.11d but still get 'nfs warning: mount version
older than kernel'.

DETAILS: I have a DECstation being nis domain server and nfs server for
/home, /compass, /usr/local and some other things (all different
directories on the server, I have given the mount points for the clients).
There are a dozen clients being served without problems, mostly running
2.2.14 (RedHat 6.2), some 2.4.2 (SuSE 7.1). Besides I have another server
(RedHat 7.1, kernel 2.4.4 with knfsd-reiserfs-patch from namesys.com),
which also mounts /home and /compass from the DEC and serves some internal
disk space to a linux cluster (RedHat 6.2). This server has IP 217, but
masquerades (via iptables -j SNAT) the cluster as having IPs 218 or 219
(roughly half of the 32 machines on each address), since the cluster
machines have no other connection to the internet because we ran out of
IPs.

Ciao,
Roland

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Re: [newbie] NFS client: port-unreachable

2001-06-02 Thread Roland Kuhn

On 1 Jun 2001, Trond Myklebust wrote:

>  > (port-unreachable) goes out to the server.  This is annoying
>  > since it blocks all access to that directory.  The request in
>  > question is sent and received at port 772.
>
>  > I'm using kernel 2.4.4.
>
> You probably have set ipchains or ipfilter to block port 772 on your
> client.
No, I have no port specific rules in the firewall (iptables), but this
machine does SNAT for 32 other linux boxes which also get some directories
from the same server (including YP). I had some trouble with the
YPSERV-calls until I bound two more IPs to the network card and
masqueraded the 32 boxes via these additional addresses. What might happen
is that the specific port gets allocated by some port remapping in
iptables during the request, but I don't see why this should happen only
for specific directories (e.g. /home works and /compass doesn't while
both are from the same server).

Ciao,
Roland

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Re: [newbie] NFS client: port-unreachable

2001-06-02 Thread Roland Kuhn

On 1 Jun 2001, Trond Myklebust wrote:

   (port-unreachable) goes out to the server.  This is annoying
   since it blocks all access to that directory.  The request in
   question is sent and received at port 772.

   I'm using kernel 2.4.4.

 You probably have set ipchains or ipfilter to block port 772 on your
 client.
No, I have no port specific rules in the firewall (iptables), but this
machine does SNAT for 32 other linux boxes which also get some directories
from the same server (including YP). I had some trouble with the
YPSERV-calls until I bound two more IPs to the network card and
masqueraded the 32 boxes via these additional addresses. What might happen
is that the specific port gets allocated by some port remapping in
iptables during the request, but I don't see why this should happen only
for specific directories (e.g. /home works and /compass doesn't while
both are from the same server).

Ciao,
Roland

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[newbie] NFS client: port-unreachable

2001-06-01 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi folks!

When I lstat64 a directory on an nfs mount the answer to GETATTR is
received by the network interface but dropped (not seen by the client)
afterwards. Only 50musec after the receive of the answer an
icmp-destination-unreachable (port-unreachable) goes out to the server.
This is annoying since it blocks all access to that directory.
The request in question is sent and received at port 772.

I'm using kernel 2.4.4.

Please help,
Roland

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[newbie] NFS broken in 2.4.4?

2001-06-01 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi folks!

When a process tries to lstat64 a file on nfs and the reply is not
received it gets blocked forever. Should it be that way?

Please help,
Roland

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[newbie] NFS broken in 2.4.4?

2001-06-01 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi folks!

When a process tries to lstat64 a file on nfs and the reply is not
received it gets blocked forever. Should it be that way?

Please help,
Roland

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[newbie] NFS client: port-unreachable

2001-06-01 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi folks!

When I lstat64 a directory on an nfs mount the answer to GETATTR is
received by the network interface but dropped (not seen by the client)
afterwards. Only 50musec after the receive of the answer an
icmp-destination-unreachable (port-unreachable) goes out to the server.
This is annoying since it blocks all access to that directory.
The request in question is sent and received at port 772.

I'm using kernel 2.4.4.

Please help,
Roland

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Oopses with 2.4.4

2001-05-30 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi folks!

All of a sudden I experienced at least two Oopses looking like the
attached one, which is from process X (the other was bash, but the message
had nearly scrolled away). Since I can't find this exact code sequence in
arch/i386/entry.S (it appeared exactly the same in the bash Oops) I am
asking myself whether it is a hardware failure... How else can code be
changed?

I am running 2.4.4 with the reiserfs-knfsd-patch on a dual PII
450/440BX/512MB machine.

TIA,
Roland


ksymoops 2.4.0 on i686 2.4.4.  Options used
 -V (default)
 -k /proc/ksyms (default)
 -l /proc/modules (default)
 -o /lib/modules/2.4.4/ (default)
 -m /boot/System.map-2.4.4-knfsdpatch (specified)

Warning (compare_maps): ksyms_base symbol __VERSIONED_SYMBOL(shmem_file_setup) not 
found in System.map.  Ignoring ksyms_base entry
Oops: 0002
CPU:  0
EIP:  0010:[]
Using defaults from ksymoops -t elf32-i386 -a i386
EFLAGS: 00010256
eax:   ebx: dcd5c000  ecx: dfffc5d0  edx: 00ef
esi:   edi:   ebp: b888  esp: dcd5dfc4
ds: 0018  es: 0018  ss: 0018
Stack: 0100 081d76c0    b888 0001 002b
   002b 008e 4014790e 0023 0292 b5e0 002b
Code: 00 00 05 20 df 2e c0 85 00 00 24 df 2e c0 0f 85 00 00 00 00

>>EIP; c0106ee6<=
Code;  c0106ee6 
 <_EIP>:
Code;  c0106ee6<=
   0:   00 00 add%al,(%eax)   <=
Code;  c0106ee8 
   2:   05 20 df 2e c0add$0xc02edf20,%eax
Code;  c0106eed 
   7:   85 00 test   %eax,(%eax)
Code;  c0106eef 
   9:   00 24 df  add%ah,(%edi,%ebx,8)
Code;  c0106ef2 
   c:   2e c0 0f 85   rorb   $0x85,%cs:(%edi)


1 warning issued.  Results may not be reliable.



Oopses with 2.4.4

2001-05-30 Thread Roland Kuhn

Hi folks!

All of a sudden I experienced at least two Oopses looking like the
attached one, which is from process X (the other was bash, but the message
had nearly scrolled away). Since I can't find this exact code sequence in
arch/i386/entry.S (it appeared exactly the same in the bash Oops) I am
asking myself whether it is a hardware failure... How else can code be
changed?

I am running 2.4.4 with the reiserfs-knfsd-patch on a dual PII
450/440BX/512MB machine.

TIA,
Roland


ksymoops 2.4.0 on i686 2.4.4.  Options used
 -V (default)
 -k /proc/ksyms (default)
 -l /proc/modules (default)
 -o /lib/modules/2.4.4/ (default)
 -m /boot/System.map-2.4.4-knfsdpatch (specified)

Warning (compare_maps): ksyms_base symbol __VERSIONED_SYMBOL(shmem_file_setup) not 
found in System.map.  Ignoring ksyms_base entry
Oops: 0002
CPU:  0
EIP:  0010:[c0106ee6]
Using defaults from ksymoops -t elf32-i386 -a i386
EFLAGS: 00010256
eax:   ebx: dcd5c000  ecx: dfffc5d0  edx: 00ef
esi:   edi:   ebp: b888  esp: dcd5dfc4
ds: 0018  es: 0018  ss: 0018
Stack: 0100 081d76c0    b888 0001 002b
   002b 008e 4014790e 0023 0292 b5e0 002b
Code: 00 00 05 20 df 2e c0 85 00 00 24 df 2e c0 0f 85 00 00 00 00

EIP; c0106ee6 ret_from_sys_call+6/1a   =
Code;  c0106ee6 ret_from_sys_call+6/1a
 _EIP:
Code;  c0106ee6 ret_from_sys_call+6/1a   =
   0:   00 00 add%al,(%eax)   =
Code;  c0106ee8 ret_from_sys_call+8/1a
   2:   05 20 df 2e c0add$0xc02edf20,%eax
Code;  c0106eed ret_from_sys_call+d/1a
   7:   85 00 test   %eax,(%eax)
Code;  c0106eef ret_from_sys_call+f/1a
   9:   00 24 df  add%ah,(%edi,%ebx,8)
Code;  c0106ef2 ret_from_sys_call+12/1a
   c:   2e c0 0f 85   rorb   $0x85,%cs:(%edi)


1 warning issued.  Results may not be reliable.