Re: [Celinux-dev] [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival
On Wednesday 19 September 2007 4:28:05 pm Andrew Morton wrote: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:03:09 -0700 > > Tim Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Recently, the CE Linux forum has been working to revive the > > Linux-tiny project. At OLS, I asked for interested parties > > to volunteer to become the new maintainer for the Linux-tiny patchset. > > I volunteer! Send patches to me, cc linux-kernel and celinuv-dev. > > Seriously, putting this stuff into some private patch collection should > be a complete last resort - you should only do this with patches which > you (and the rest of us) agree have no hope of ever getting into mainline. History! The -tiny tree started out as a separate patch kit of Matt Mackall's, which he stopped updating circa 2.6.14 because he didn't think keeping them out of tree was helping attract other developers, nor was it helping to get them inline. He decided to focus on pushing the existing patches into mainline, and stop maintaining the out of tree patcheset for new releases. His last post on the subject (to the linux-tiny mailing list) was a year ago: http://selenic.com/pipermail/linux-tiny/2006-March/000314.html But what happened is that most of the abandoned patches stopped applying to new kernels yet still weren't available in mainline a year later, so Tim and Michael have stepped in to revive the -tiny tree. (Tim talked about this a bit at the CELF BOF at OLS, which is more acronyms than should really show up immediately after one another in any confersation, FYI.) So yay new tree. Tried without it, didn't work. Broken up to make merging easier, but mainline will probably never _fully_ catch up, any more than it'll catch up with any of the other special-interest development trees. Making -tiny an .hg tree would be really really nice, though... :) Rob -- "One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code." - Ken Thompson. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 12:38:55AM +0200, Michael Opdenacker wrote: > Andrew, you're completely right... The patches should all aim at being > included into mainline or die. > > I'm finishing a sequence of crazy weeks and I will have time to send you > patches one by one next week, starting with the easiest ones. Well thats good news. In response to the comments made about testing the impact of these patches on big-iron I was going to suggest we ask Andrew to include your patch set in -mm so that it firstly gets at least compiled on big-iron, and secondly so we could think about how to test with some of the options enabled on big-iron. Knowing nothing about these options, from a test perspective it would be nice if we were able to simply enable "the lot" so we can do "normal" -mm runs and "tiny" -mm runs without any manual intervention? -apw - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 12:38:55AM +0200, Michael Opdenacker wrote: Andrew, you're completely right... The patches should all aim at being included into mainline or die. I'm finishing a sequence of crazy weeks and I will have time to send you patches one by one next week, starting with the easiest ones. Well thats good news. In response to the comments made about testing the impact of these patches on big-iron I was going to suggest we ask Andrew to include your patch set in -mm so that it firstly gets at least compiled on big-iron, and secondly so we could think about how to test with some of the options enabled on big-iron. Knowing nothing about these options, from a test perspective it would be nice if we were able to simply enable the lot so we can do normal -mm runs and tiny -mm runs without any manual intervention? -apw - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival
On Wednesday 19 September 2007 4:28:05 pm Andrew Morton wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:03:09 -0700 Tim Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently, the CE Linux forum has been working to revive the Linux-tiny project. At OLS, I asked for interested parties to volunteer to become the new maintainer for the Linux-tiny patchset. I volunteer! Send patches to me, cc linux-kernel and celinuv-dev. Seriously, putting this stuff into some private patch collection should be a complete last resort - you should only do this with patches which you (and the rest of us) agree have no hope of ever getting into mainline. History! computer historian hat on The -tiny tree started out as a separate patch kit of Matt Mackall's, which he stopped updating circa 2.6.14 because he didn't think keeping them out of tree was helping attract other developers, nor was it helping to get them inline. He decided to focus on pushing the existing patches into mainline, and stop maintaining the out of tree patcheset for new releases. His last post on the subject (to the linux-tiny mailing list) was a year ago: http://selenic.com/pipermail/linux-tiny/2006-March/000314.html But what happened is that most of the abandoned patches stopped applying to new kernels yet still weren't available in mainline a year later, so Tim and Michael have stepped in to revive the -tiny tree. (Tim talked about this a bit at the CELF BOF at OLS, which is more acronyms than should really show up immediately after one another in any confersation, FYI.) So yay new tree. Tried without it, didn't work. Broken up to make merging easier, but mainline will probably never _fully_ catch up, any more than it'll catch up with any of the other special-interest development trees. Making -tiny an .hg tree would be really really nice, though... :) Rob -- One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code. - Ken Thompson. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival
Tim Bird wrote: > Andrew Morton wrote: > >> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:03:09 -0700 >> Tim Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> Recently, the CE Linux forum has been working to revive the >>> Linux-tiny project. At OLS, I asked for interested parties >>> to volunteer to become the new maintainer for the Linux-tiny patchset. >>> >> I volunteer! Send patches to me, cc linux-kernel and celinuv-dev. >> >> Seriously, putting this stuff into some private patch collection should >> be a complete last resort - you should only do this with patches which >> you (and the rest of us) agree have no hope of ever getting into mainline. >> > > OK, I'll try to accelerate the effort to send these to you. > We'll still need some kind of bucket for the patches that > don't apply to recent kernels, but which no one has yet > had time to bring up-to-date (or evaluate for permanent > dismissal). And dribbling them out, fixing them up, > responding to issues - all take time that I can't > commit to personally for the next week or so. > I'll let Michael respond whether he can get to this > sooner rather than later, as planned. > Andrew, you're completely right... The patches should all aim at being included into mainline or die. I'm finishing a sequence of crazy weeks and I will have time to send you patches one by one next week, starting with the easiest ones. Thanks for your support. Cheers, Michael. -- Michael Opdenacker http://free-electrons.com +33 621 604 642 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival
Andrew Morton wrote: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:03:09 -0700 > Tim Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Recently, the CE Linux forum has been working to revive the >> Linux-tiny project. At OLS, I asked for interested parties >> to volunteer to become the new maintainer for the Linux-tiny patchset. > > I volunteer! Send patches to me, cc linux-kernel and celinuv-dev. > > Seriously, putting this stuff into some private patch collection should > be a complete last resort - you should only do this with patches which > you (and the rest of us) agree have no hope of ever getting into mainline. OK, I'll try to accelerate the effort to send these to you. We'll still need some kind of bucket for the patches that don't apply to recent kernels, but which no one has yet had time to bring up-to-date (or evaluate for permanent dismissal). And dribbling them out, fixing them up, responding to issues - all take time that I can't commit to personally for the next week or so. I'll let Michael respond whether he can get to this sooner rather than later, as planned. = Tim Bird Architecture Group Chair, CE Linux Forum Senior Staff Engineer, Sony Corporation of America = - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:03:09 -0700 Tim Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Recently, the CE Linux forum has been working to revive the > Linux-tiny project. At OLS, I asked for interested parties > to volunteer to become the new maintainer for the Linux-tiny patchset. I volunteer! Send patches to me, cc linux-kernel and celinuv-dev. Seriously, putting this stuff into some private patch collection should be a complete last resort - you should only do this with patches which you (and the rest of us) agree have no hope of ever getting into mainline. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:03:09 -0700 Tim Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently, the CE Linux forum has been working to revive the Linux-tiny project. At OLS, I asked for interested parties to volunteer to become the new maintainer for the Linux-tiny patchset. I volunteer! Send patches to me, cc linux-kernel and celinuv-dev. Seriously, putting this stuff into some private patch collection should be a complete last resort - you should only do this with patches which you (and the rest of us) agree have no hope of ever getting into mainline. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival
Andrew Morton wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:03:09 -0700 Tim Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently, the CE Linux forum has been working to revive the Linux-tiny project. At OLS, I asked for interested parties to volunteer to become the new maintainer for the Linux-tiny patchset. I volunteer! Send patches to me, cc linux-kernel and celinuv-dev. Seriously, putting this stuff into some private patch collection should be a complete last resort - you should only do this with patches which you (and the rest of us) agree have no hope of ever getting into mainline. OK, I'll try to accelerate the effort to send these to you. We'll still need some kind of bucket for the patches that don't apply to recent kernels, but which no one has yet had time to bring up-to-date (or evaluate for permanent dismissal). And dribbling them out, fixing them up, responding to issues - all take time that I can't commit to personally for the next week or so. I'll let Michael respond whether he can get to this sooner rather than later, as planned. = Tim Bird Architecture Group Chair, CE Linux Forum Senior Staff Engineer, Sony Corporation of America = - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival
Tim Bird wrote: Andrew Morton wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:03:09 -0700 Tim Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently, the CE Linux forum has been working to revive the Linux-tiny project. At OLS, I asked for interested parties to volunteer to become the new maintainer for the Linux-tiny patchset. I volunteer! Send patches to me, cc linux-kernel and celinuv-dev. Seriously, putting this stuff into some private patch collection should be a complete last resort - you should only do this with patches which you (and the rest of us) agree have no hope of ever getting into mainline. OK, I'll try to accelerate the effort to send these to you. We'll still need some kind of bucket for the patches that don't apply to recent kernels, but which no one has yet had time to bring up-to-date (or evaluate for permanent dismissal). And dribbling them out, fixing them up, responding to issues - all take time that I can't commit to personally for the next week or so. I'll let Michael respond whether he can get to this sooner rather than later, as planned. Andrew, you're completely right... The patches should all aim at being included into mainline or die. I'm finishing a sequence of crazy weeks and I will have time to send you patches one by one next week, starting with the easiest ones. Thanks for your support. Cheers, Michael. -- Michael Opdenacker http://free-electrons.com +33 621 604 642 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
