Re: [PATCH net v1 1/2] lan743x: improve performance: fix rx_napi_poll/interrupt ping-pong
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:50 PM Eric Dumazet wrote: > > Driver could be called with an arbitrary budget (of 64), > and if its ring buffer has been depleted, return @budget instead of skb > counts, > and not ream the interrupt > Aha, so the decision to re-arm the interrupts is made by looking at whether the device has run out of ring buffers to fill... instead of checking whether the weight was reached ! That makes complete sense. Thank you Eric and Jakub for your expert suggestions.
Re: [PATCH net v1 1/2] lan743x: improve performance: fix rx_napi_poll/interrupt ping-pong
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 12:29 AM Jakub Kicinski wrote:
>
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 17:23:08 -0500 Sven Van Asbroeck wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:50 PM Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > +done:
> > > > /* update RX_TAIL */
> > > > lan743x_csr_write(adapter, RX_TAIL(rx->channel_number),
> > > > rx_tail_flags | rx->last_tail);
> > > > -done:
> > > > +
> > >
> > > I assume this rings the doorbell to let the device know that more
> > > buffers are available? If so it's a little unusual to do this at the
> > > end of NAPI poll. The more usual place would be to do this every n
> > > times a new buffer is allocated (in lan743x_rx_init_ring_element()?)
> > > That's to say for example ring the doorbell every time a buffer is put
> > > at an index divisible by 16.
> >
> > Yes, I believe it tells the device that new buffers have become available.
> >
> > I wonder why it's so unusual to do this at the end of a napi poll? Omitting
> > this could result in sub-optimal use of buffers, right?
> >
> > Example:
> > - tail is at position 0
> > - core calls napi_poll(weight=64)
> > - napi poll consumes 15 buffers and pushes 15 skbs, then ring empty
> > - index not divisible by 16, so tail is not updated
> > - weight not reached, so napi poll re-enables interrupts and bails out
> >
> > Result: now there are 15 buffers which the device could potentially use, but
> > because the tail wasn't updated, it doesn't know about them.
>
> Perhaps 16 for a device with 64 descriptors is rather high indeed.
> Let's say 8. If the device misses 8 packet buffers on the ring,
> that should be negligible.
>
mlx4 uses 8 as the threshold ( mlx4_en_refill_rx_buffers())
> Depends on the cost of the CSR write, usually packet processing is
> putting a lot of pressure on the memory subsystem of the CPU, hence
> amortizing the write over multiple descriptors helps. The other thing
> is that you could delay the descriptor writes to write full cache lines,
> but I don't think that will help on IMX6.
>
> > It does make sense to update the tail more frequently than only at the end
> > of the napi poll, though?
> >
> > I'm new to napi polling, so I'm quite interested to learn about this.
>
> There is a tracepoint which records how many packets NAPI has polled:
> napi:napi_poll, you can see easily what your system is doing.
>
> What you want to avoid is the situation where the device already used
> up all the descriptors by the time driver finishes the Rx processing.
> That'd result in drops. So the driver should push the buffers back to
> the device reasonably early.
>
> With a ring of 64 descriptors and NAPI budget of 64 it's not unlikely
> that the ring will be completely used when processing runs.
>
> > > > + /* up to half of elements in a full rx ring are
> > > > + * extension frames. these do not generate skbs.
> > > > + * to prevent napi/interrupt ping-pong, limit default
> > > > + * weight to the smallest no. of skbs that can be
> > > > + * generated by a full rx ring.
> > > > + */
> > > > netif_napi_add(adapter->netdev,
> > > > >napi, lan743x_rx_napi_poll,
> > > > -rx->ring_size - 1);
> > > > +(rx->ring_size - 1) / 2);
> > >
> > > This is rather unusual, drivers should generally pass NAPI_POLL_WEIGHT
> > > here.
> >
> > I agree. The problem is that a full ring buffer of 64 buffers will only
> > contain 32 buffers with network data - the others are timestamps.
> >
> > So napi_poll(weight=64) can never reach its full weight. Even with a full
> > buffer, it always assumes that it has to stop polling, and re-enable
> > interrupts, which results in a ping-pong.
>
> Interesting I don't think we ever had this problem before. Let me CC
> Eric to see if he has any thoughts on the case. AFAIU you should think
> of the weight as way of arbitrating between devices (if there is more
> than one).
Driver could be called with an arbitrary budget (of 64),
and if its ring buffer has been depleted, return @budget instead of skb counts,
and not ream the interrupt
if (count < budget && !rx_ring_fully_processed) {
if (napi_complete_done(napi, count))
ream_irqs();
return count;
}
return budget;
>
> NAPI does not do any deferral (in wall clock time terms) of processing,
> so the only difference you may get for lower weight is that softirq
> kthread will get a chance to kick in earlier.
>
> > Would it be better to fix the weight counting? Increase the count
> > for every buffer consumed, instead of for every skb pushed?
>
Re: [PATCH net v1 1/2] lan743x: improve performance: fix rx_napi_poll/interrupt ping-pong
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 17:23:08 -0500 Sven Van Asbroeck wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:50 PM Jakub Kicinski wrote: > > > > > > > > +done: > > > /* update RX_TAIL */ > > > lan743x_csr_write(adapter, RX_TAIL(rx->channel_number), > > > rx_tail_flags | rx->last_tail); > > > -done: > > > + > > > > I assume this rings the doorbell to let the device know that more > > buffers are available? If so it's a little unusual to do this at the > > end of NAPI poll. The more usual place would be to do this every n > > times a new buffer is allocated (in lan743x_rx_init_ring_element()?) > > That's to say for example ring the doorbell every time a buffer is put > > at an index divisible by 16. > > Yes, I believe it tells the device that new buffers have become available. > > I wonder why it's so unusual to do this at the end of a napi poll? Omitting > this could result in sub-optimal use of buffers, right? > > Example: > - tail is at position 0 > - core calls napi_poll(weight=64) > - napi poll consumes 15 buffers and pushes 15 skbs, then ring empty > - index not divisible by 16, so tail is not updated > - weight not reached, so napi poll re-enables interrupts and bails out > > Result: now there are 15 buffers which the device could potentially use, but > because the tail wasn't updated, it doesn't know about them. Perhaps 16 for a device with 64 descriptors is rather high indeed. Let's say 8. If the device misses 8 packet buffers on the ring, that should be negligible. Depends on the cost of the CSR write, usually packet processing is putting a lot of pressure on the memory subsystem of the CPU, hence amortizing the write over multiple descriptors helps. The other thing is that you could delay the descriptor writes to write full cache lines, but I don't think that will help on IMX6. > It does make sense to update the tail more frequently than only at the end > of the napi poll, though? > > I'm new to napi polling, so I'm quite interested to learn about this. There is a tracepoint which records how many packets NAPI has polled: napi:napi_poll, you can see easily what your system is doing. What you want to avoid is the situation where the device already used up all the descriptors by the time driver finishes the Rx processing. That'd result in drops. So the driver should push the buffers back to the device reasonably early. With a ring of 64 descriptors and NAPI budget of 64 it's not unlikely that the ring will be completely used when processing runs. > > > + /* up to half of elements in a full rx ring are > > > + * extension frames. these do not generate skbs. > > > + * to prevent napi/interrupt ping-pong, limit default > > > + * weight to the smallest no. of skbs that can be > > > + * generated by a full rx ring. > > > + */ > > > netif_napi_add(adapter->netdev, > > > >napi, lan743x_rx_napi_poll, > > > -rx->ring_size - 1); > > > +(rx->ring_size - 1) / 2); > > > > This is rather unusual, drivers should generally pass NAPI_POLL_WEIGHT > > here. > > I agree. The problem is that a full ring buffer of 64 buffers will only > contain 32 buffers with network data - the others are timestamps. > > So napi_poll(weight=64) can never reach its full weight. Even with a full > buffer, it always assumes that it has to stop polling, and re-enable > interrupts, which results in a ping-pong. Interesting I don't think we ever had this problem before. Let me CC Eric to see if he has any thoughts on the case. AFAIU you should think of the weight as way of arbitrating between devices (if there is more than one). NAPI does not do any deferral (in wall clock time terms) of processing, so the only difference you may get for lower weight is that softirq kthread will get a chance to kick in earlier. > Would it be better to fix the weight counting? Increase the count > for every buffer consumed, instead of for every skb pushed?
Re: [PATCH net v1 1/2] lan743x: improve performance: fix rx_napi_poll/interrupt ping-pong
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:50 PM Jakub Kicinski wrote: > > > > > +done: > > /* update RX_TAIL */ > > lan743x_csr_write(adapter, RX_TAIL(rx->channel_number), > > rx_tail_flags | rx->last_tail); > > -done: > > + > > I assume this rings the doorbell to let the device know that more > buffers are available? If so it's a little unusual to do this at the > end of NAPI poll. The more usual place would be to do this every n > times a new buffer is allocated (in lan743x_rx_init_ring_element()?) > That's to say for example ring the doorbell every time a buffer is put > at an index divisible by 16. Yes, I believe it tells the device that new buffers have become available. I wonder why it's so unusual to do this at the end of a napi poll? Omitting this could result in sub-optimal use of buffers, right? Example: - tail is at position 0 - core calls napi_poll(weight=64) - napi poll consumes 15 buffers and pushes 15 skbs, then ring empty - index not divisible by 16, so tail is not updated - weight not reached, so napi poll re-enables interrupts and bails out Result: now there are 15 buffers which the device could potentially use, but because the tail wasn't updated, it doesn't know about them. It does make sense to update the tail more frequently than only at the end of the napi poll, though? I'm new to napi polling, so I'm quite interested to learn about this. > > > > + /* up to half of elements in a full rx ring are > > + * extension frames. these do not generate skbs. > > + * to prevent napi/interrupt ping-pong, limit default > > + * weight to the smallest no. of skbs that can be > > + * generated by a full rx ring. > > + */ > > netif_napi_add(adapter->netdev, > > >napi, lan743x_rx_napi_poll, > > -rx->ring_size - 1); > > +(rx->ring_size - 1) / 2); > > This is rather unusual, drivers should generally pass NAPI_POLL_WEIGHT > here. I agree. The problem is that a full ring buffer of 64 buffers will only contain 32 buffers with network data - the others are timestamps. So napi_poll(weight=64) can never reach its full weight. Even with a full buffer, it always assumes that it has to stop polling, and re-enable interrupts, which results in a ping-pong. Would it be better to fix the weight counting? Increase the count for every buffer consumed, instead of for every skb pushed?
Re: [PATCH net v1 1/2] lan743x: improve performance: fix rx_napi_poll/interrupt ping-pong
On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 22:44:07 -0500 Sven Van Asbroeck wrote: > From: Sven Van Asbroeck > > Even if the rx ring is completely full, and there is more rx data > waiting on the chip, the rx napi poll fn will never run more than > once - it will always immediately bail out and re-enable interrupts. > Which results in ping-pong between napi and interrupt. > > This defeats the purpose of napi, and is bad for performance. > > Fix by addressing two separate issues: > > 1. Ensure the rx napi poll fn always updates the rx ring tail >when returning, even when not re-enabling interrupts. > > 2. Up to half of elements in a full rx ring are extension >frames, which do not generate any skbs. Limit the default >napi weight to the smallest no. of skbs that can be generated >by a full rx ring. > > Tested-by: Sven Van Asbroeck # lan7430 > Signed-off-by: Sven Van Asbroeck > --- > > Tree: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/davem/net.git # > 905b2032fa42 > > To: Bryan Whitehead > To: Microchip Linux Driver Support > To: "David S. Miller" > To: Jakub Kicinski > Cc: Andrew Lunn > Cc: net...@vger.kernel.org > Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > > drivers/net/ethernet/microchip/lan743x_main.c | 11 +-- > 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/drivers/net/ethernet/microchip/lan743x_main.c > b/drivers/net/ethernet/microchip/lan743x_main.c > index 87b6c59a1e03..ebb5e0bc516b 100644 > --- a/drivers/net/ethernet/microchip/lan743x_main.c > +++ b/drivers/net/ethernet/microchip/lan743x_main.c > @@ -2260,10 +2260,11 @@ static int lan743x_rx_napi_poll(struct napi_struct > *napi, int weight) > INT_BIT_DMA_RX_(rx->channel_number)); > } > > +done: > /* update RX_TAIL */ > lan743x_csr_write(adapter, RX_TAIL(rx->channel_number), > rx_tail_flags | rx->last_tail); > -done: > + I assume this rings the doorbell to let the device know that more buffers are available? If so it's a little unusual to do this at the end of NAPI poll. The more usual place would be to do this every n times a new buffer is allocated (in lan743x_rx_init_ring_element()?) That's to say for example ring the doorbell every time a buffer is put at an index divisible by 16. > return count; > } > > @@ -2405,9 +2406,15 @@ static int lan743x_rx_open(struct lan743x_rx *rx) > if (ret) > goto return_error; > > + /* up to half of elements in a full rx ring are > + * extension frames. these do not generate skbs. > + * to prevent napi/interrupt ping-pong, limit default > + * weight to the smallest no. of skbs that can be > + * generated by a full rx ring. > + */ > netif_napi_add(adapter->netdev, > >napi, lan743x_rx_napi_poll, > -rx->ring_size - 1); > +(rx->ring_size - 1) / 2); This is rather unusual, drivers should generally pass NAPI_POLL_WEIGHT here.
[PATCH net v1 1/2] lan743x: improve performance: fix rx_napi_poll/interrupt ping-pong
From: Sven Van Asbroeck Even if the rx ring is completely full, and there is more rx data waiting on the chip, the rx napi poll fn will never run more than once - it will always immediately bail out and re-enable interrupts. Which results in ping-pong between napi and interrupt. This defeats the purpose of napi, and is bad for performance. Fix by addressing two separate issues: 1. Ensure the rx napi poll fn always updates the rx ring tail when returning, even when not re-enabling interrupts. 2. Up to half of elements in a full rx ring are extension frames, which do not generate any skbs. Limit the default napi weight to the smallest no. of skbs that can be generated by a full rx ring. Tested-by: Sven Van Asbroeck # lan7430 Signed-off-by: Sven Van Asbroeck --- Tree: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/davem/net.git # 905b2032fa42 To: Bryan Whitehead To: Microchip Linux Driver Support To: "David S. Miller" To: Jakub Kicinski Cc: Andrew Lunn Cc: net...@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org drivers/net/ethernet/microchip/lan743x_main.c | 11 +-- 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/drivers/net/ethernet/microchip/lan743x_main.c b/drivers/net/ethernet/microchip/lan743x_main.c index 87b6c59a1e03..ebb5e0bc516b 100644 --- a/drivers/net/ethernet/microchip/lan743x_main.c +++ b/drivers/net/ethernet/microchip/lan743x_main.c @@ -2260,10 +2260,11 @@ static int lan743x_rx_napi_poll(struct napi_struct *napi, int weight) INT_BIT_DMA_RX_(rx->channel_number)); } +done: /* update RX_TAIL */ lan743x_csr_write(adapter, RX_TAIL(rx->channel_number), rx_tail_flags | rx->last_tail); -done: + return count; } @@ -2405,9 +2406,15 @@ static int lan743x_rx_open(struct lan743x_rx *rx) if (ret) goto return_error; + /* up to half of elements in a full rx ring are +* extension frames. these do not generate skbs. +* to prevent napi/interrupt ping-pong, limit default +* weight to the smallest no. of skbs that can be +* generated by a full rx ring. +*/ netif_napi_add(adapter->netdev, >napi, lan743x_rx_napi_poll, - rx->ring_size - 1); + (rx->ring_size - 1) / 2); lan743x_csr_write(adapter, DMAC_CMD, DMAC_CMD_RX_SWR_(rx->channel_number)); -- 2.17.1
