Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Jason Slagle wrote: > Oooh! > > I'll try this later. Is there any recourse if I have this > problem? ie: Recall or anything? Or should I just nab another > board? Different vender? No recourse. Pig in a POKE, go for it. > I like the BP6 but really don't HAVE to have one since I have 1 IDE device > and that. Has nothing to do with ATA. We are talking about voltage/power loads on the system. If the ripple is large enough, then the clocking signals will be malformed and improper/mis-phased events will happen. Cheers, Andre Hedrick The Linux ATA/IDE guy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Jason Slagle wrote: > It worked fine under 2.3.x and as a matter of fact worked fine under > 2.4.0-test1-4 I believe. > > I don't buy a hardware explination when I've been running this setup for > well over a year and only just now have problems :) Well let me put some authority into his statement. Pull off your CASE. Enter the BIOS. Wave your hand and fingers over the surface of the mainboard. Watch your voltages move wildly. Now if they are stable and do not change +- 0.01 then you have a stable board. But 95%+ of the people have this problem on the second release of the BP6. FYI, EMF's change with age, as do the effect Z of the LRC circuits. Cheers, Andre Hedrick The Linux ATA/IDE guy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
Oooh! I'll try this later. Is there any recourse if I have this problem? ie: Recall or anything? Or should I just nab another board? Different vender? I like the BP6 but really don't HAVE to have one since I have 1 IDE device and that. Jason --- Jason Slagle - CCNA - CCDA Network Administrator - Toledo Internet Access - Toledo Ohio - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - WHOIS JS10172 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GE d-- s:+ a-- C++ UL+++ P--- L+++ E- W- N+ o-- K- w--- O M- V PS+ PE+++ Y+ PGP t+ 5 X+ R tv+ b+ DI+ D G e+ h! r++ y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Andre Hedrick wrote: > On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Jason Slagle wrote: > > > It worked fine under 2.3.x and as a matter of fact worked fine under > > 2.4.0-test1-4 I believe. > > > > I don't buy a hardware explination when I've been running this setup for > > well over a year and only just now have problems :) > > Well let me put some authority into his statement. > > Pull off your CASE. > Enter the BIOS. > Wave your hand and fingers over the surface of the mainboard. > Watch your voltages move wildly. > > Now if they are stable and do not change +- 0.01 then you have a stable > board. But 95%+ of the people have this problem on the second release of > the BP6. > > FYI, EMF's change with age, as do the effect Z of the LRC circuits. > > Cheers, > > Andre Hedrick > The Linux ATA/IDE guy > > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
> Anyway, turn off overclokcing and try to reproduce. If this OC'ed report == /dev/null. Nobody will listen. Andre Hedrick The Linux ATA/IDE guy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
I can try that, although it doesn't seem to hold true that 1) The load average would reflect the sluggishness I'm seeing, and 2) w and ps and that would hang but other programs would continue to run fine. I'll try to get some strace output in a w or something next time it happens. Jason --- Jason Slagle - CCNA - CCDA Network Administrator - Toledo Internet Access - Toledo Ohio - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - WHOIS JS10172 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GE d-- s:+ a-- C++ UL+++ P--- L+++ E- W- N+ o-- K- w--- O M- V PS+ PE+++ Y+ PGP t+ 5 X+ R tv+ b+ DI+ D G e+ h! r++ y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Mitchell Blank Jr wrote: > It's because we've seen it a hundred zillion times before... weird problems > with overclocked systems that the owners claim "work fine under any other > version, so it must be a kernel bug". > > You could well be on the edge of where overclocking breaks down. There's > some sequence of instructions and/or memory access in the kernel that is > causing your particular CPU to croak every billionth time through. Maybe > previous kernel compiles didn't emit those exact instructions and you > lucked out. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
Jason Slagle wrote: > > Howdy! 2.4.0 is looking almost ready except 1 HY00GE problem I'm having. > > I'm SMP here 2 Celeron 300A's at 450 in an Abit BP6. 256M of RAM, all > SCSI. > > System will run for a week no problems. > > Then I compile mozilla and all hell breaks loose. > > Compile will go for a bit then it'll hang and need SAK'd. w and ps and > top will then hang. loadavg is over 4 and I can't paticuraly see whats > causing it. Meminfo looks fine but it's acting like it's outta RAM. I'm > like 37 megs into swap when it happened with over 100 megs of buffer > cache. > > Pretty normal setup here except these: > > echo "1024 2048 4096" > /proc/sys/vm/freepages > echo "5 10 60" > /proc/sys/vm/buffermem > echo "16384" >/proc/sys/fs/file-max > echo "0" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn > > These bad? They worked well under 2.2 but who knows under 2.4 > > Please advise, will provide any info I can if needed. > > Jason Hmm... Possibly VM related. Are you using 2.4.0-test9? There are some not so nice things that are fixed in later "test10-preX" (from "testing" subdirectory, pre3 might be the best choice) Even if you are using test10 you could run vmstat 1 and include a typical part. An ALT-SysRq-M (need magic sysrq compiled and enabled) could be useful too. /RogerL - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
Jason Slagle wrote: > It worked fine under 2.3.x and as a matter of fact worked fine under > 2.4.0-test1-4 I believe. > > I don't buy a hardware explination when I've been running this setup for > well over a year and only just now have problems :) It's because we've seen it a hundred zillion times before... weird problems with overclocked systems that the owners claim "work fine under any other version, so it must be a kernel bug". You could well be on the edge of where overclocking breaks down. There's some sequence of instructions and/or memory access in the kernel that is causing your particular CPU to croak every billionth time through. Maybe previous kernel compiles didn't emit those exact instructions and you lucked out. Anyway, turn off overclokcing and try to reproduce. -Mitch - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
It worked fine under 2.3.x and as a matter of fact worked fine under 2.4.0-test1-4 I believe. I don't buy a hardware explination when I've been running this setup for well over a year and only just now have problems :) Jason --- Jason Slagle - CCNA - CCDA Network Administrator - Toledo Internet Access - Toledo Ohio - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - WHOIS JS10172 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GE d-- s:+ a-- C++ UL+++ P--- L+++ E- W- N+ o-- K- w--- O M- V PS+ PE+++ Y+ PGP t+ 5 X+ R tv+ b+ DI+ D G e+ h! r++ y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Roeland Th. Jansen wrote: > On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 07:37:36PM -0400, Jason Slagle wrote: > > I'm SMP here 2 Celeron 300A's at 450 in an Abit BP6. 256M of RAM, all > > SCSI. > > > > These bad? They worked well under 2.2 but who knows under 2.4 > > > 1) clock the system to specs -- overclocking could kill the stuff > 2) there are batches of BP6's (rev 1.1) that may fail due to an >incorrect capacitor behind some regulator, causing crashes > > > -- > Grobbebol's Home | Don't give in to spammers. -o) > http://www.xs4all.nl/~bengel | Use your real e-mail address /\ > Linux 2.2.16 SMP 2x466MHz / 256 MB |on Usenet. _\_v > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 07:37:36PM -0400, Jason Slagle wrote: > I'm SMP here 2 Celeron 300A's at 450 in an Abit BP6. 256M of RAM, all > SCSI. > > These bad? They worked well under 2.2 but who knows under 2.4 1) clock the system to specs -- overclocking could kill the stuff 2) there are batches of BP6's (rev 1.1) that may fail due to an incorrect capacitor behind some regulator, causing crashes -- Grobbebol's Home | Don't give in to spammers. -o) http://www.xs4all.nl/~bengel | Use your real e-mail address /\ Linux 2.2.16 SMP 2x466MHz / 256 MB |on Usenet. _\_v - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
Howdy! 2.4.0 is looking almost ready except 1 HY00GE problem I'm having. I'm SMP here 2 Celeron 300A's at 450 in an Abit BP6. 256M of RAM, all SCSI. System will run for a week no problems. Then I compile mozilla and all hell breaks loose. Compile will go for a bit then it'll hang and need SAK'd. w and ps and top will then hang. loadavg is over 4 and I can't paticuraly see whats causing it. Meminfo looks fine but it's acting like it's outta RAM. I'm like 37 megs into swap when it happened with over 100 megs of buffer cache. Pretty normal setup here except these: echo "1024 2048 4096" > /proc/sys/vm/freepages echo "5 10 60" > /proc/sys/vm/buffermem echo "16384" >/proc/sys/fs/file-max echo "0" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn These bad? They worked well under 2.2 but who knows under 2.4 Please advise, will provide any info I can if needed. Jason --- Jason Slagle - CCNA - CCDA Network Administrator - Toledo Internet Access - Toledo Ohio - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - WHOIS JS10172 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GE d-- s:+ a-- C++ UL+++ P--- L+++ E- W- N+ o-- K- w--- O M- V PS+ PE+++ Y+ PGP t+ 5 X+ R tv+ b+ DI+ D G e+ h! r++ y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
Howdy! 2.4.0 is looking almost ready except 1 HY00GE problem I'm having. I'm SMP here 2 Celeron 300A's at 450 in an Abit BP6. 256M of RAM, all SCSI. System will run for a week no problems. Then I compile mozilla and all hell breaks loose. Compile will go for a bit then it'll hang and need SAK'd. w and ps and top will then hang. loadavg is over 4 and I can't paticuraly see whats causing it. Meminfo looks fine but it's acting like it's outta RAM. I'm like 37 megs into swap when it happened with over 100 megs of buffer cache. Pretty normal setup here except these: echo "1024 2048 4096" /proc/sys/vm/freepages echo "5 10 60" /proc/sys/vm/buffermem echo "16384" /proc/sys/fs/file-max echo "0" /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn These bad? They worked well under 2.2 but who knows under 2.4 Please advise, will provide any info I can if needed. Jason --- Jason Slagle - CCNA - CCDA Network Administrator - Toledo Internet Access - Toledo Ohio - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - WHOIS JS10172 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GE d-- s:+ a-- C++ UL+++ P--- L+++ E- W- N+ o-- K- w--- O M- V PS+ PE+++ Y+ PGP t+ 5 X+ R tv+ b+ DI+ D G e+ h! r++ y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 07:37:36PM -0400, Jason Slagle wrote: I'm SMP here 2 Celeron 300A's at 450 in an Abit BP6. 256M of RAM, all SCSI. These bad? They worked well under 2.2 but who knows under 2.4 1) clock the system to specs -- overclocking could kill the stuff 2) there are batches of BP6's (rev 1.1) that may fail due to an incorrect capacitor behind some regulator, causing crashes -- Grobbebol's Home | Don't give in to spammers. -o) http://www.xs4all.nl/~bengel | Use your real e-mail address /\ Linux 2.2.16 SMP 2x466MHz / 256 MB |on Usenet. _\_v - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
It worked fine under 2.3.x and as a matter of fact worked fine under 2.4.0-test1-4 I believe. I don't buy a hardware explination when I've been running this setup for well over a year and only just now have problems :) Jason --- Jason Slagle - CCNA - CCDA Network Administrator - Toledo Internet Access - Toledo Ohio - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - WHOIS JS10172 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GE d-- s:+ a-- C++ UL+++ P--- L+++ E- W- N+ o-- K- w--- O M- V PS+ PE+++ Y+ PGP t+ 5 X+ R tv+ b+ DI+ D G e+ h! r++ y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Roeland Th. Jansen wrote: On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 07:37:36PM -0400, Jason Slagle wrote: I'm SMP here 2 Celeron 300A's at 450 in an Abit BP6. 256M of RAM, all SCSI. These bad? They worked well under 2.2 but who knows under 2.4 1) clock the system to specs -- overclocking could kill the stuff 2) there are batches of BP6's (rev 1.1) that may fail due to an incorrect capacitor behind some regulator, causing crashes -- Grobbebol's Home | Don't give in to spammers. -o) http://www.xs4all.nl/~bengel | Use your real e-mail address /\ Linux 2.2.16 SMP 2x466MHz / 256 MB |on Usenet. _\_v - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
Jason Slagle wrote: Howdy! 2.4.0 is looking almost ready except 1 HY00GE problem I'm having. I'm SMP here 2 Celeron 300A's at 450 in an Abit BP6. 256M of RAM, all SCSI. System will run for a week no problems. Then I compile mozilla and all hell breaks loose. Compile will go for a bit then it'll hang and need SAK'd. w and ps and top will then hang. loadavg is over 4 and I can't paticuraly see whats causing it. Meminfo looks fine but it's acting like it's outta RAM. I'm like 37 megs into swap when it happened with over 100 megs of buffer cache. Pretty normal setup here except these: echo "1024 2048 4096" /proc/sys/vm/freepages echo "5 10 60" /proc/sys/vm/buffermem echo "16384" /proc/sys/fs/file-max echo "0" /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn These bad? They worked well under 2.2 but who knows under 2.4 Please advise, will provide any info I can if needed. Jason Hmm... Possibly VM related. Are you using 2.4.0-test9? There are some not so nice things that are fixed in later "test10-preX" (from "testing" subdirectory, pre3 might be the best choice) Even if you are using test10 you could run vmstat 1 and include a typical part. An ALT-SysRq-M (need magic sysrq compiled and enabled) could be useful too. /RogerL - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
Jason Slagle wrote: It worked fine under 2.3.x and as a matter of fact worked fine under 2.4.0-test1-4 I believe. I don't buy a hardware explination when I've been running this setup for well over a year and only just now have problems :) It's because we've seen it a hundred zillion times before... weird problems with overclocked systems that the owners claim "work fine under any other version, so it must be a kernel bug". You could well be on the edge of where overclocking breaks down. There's some sequence of instructions and/or memory access in the kernel that is causing your particular CPU to croak every billionth time through. Maybe previous kernel compiles didn't emit those exact instructions and you lucked out. Anyway, turn off overclokcing and try to reproduce. -Mitch - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
I can try that, although it doesn't seem to hold true that 1) The load average would reflect the sluggishness I'm seeing, and 2) w and ps and that would hang but other programs would continue to run fine. I'll try to get some strace output in a w or something next time it happens. Jason --- Jason Slagle - CCNA - CCDA Network Administrator - Toledo Internet Access - Toledo Ohio - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - WHOIS JS10172 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GE d-- s:+ a-- C++ UL+++ P--- L+++ E- W- N+ o-- K- w--- O M- V PS+ PE+++ Y+ PGP t+ 5 X+ R tv+ b+ DI+ D G e+ h! r++ y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Mitchell Blank Jr wrote: It's because we've seen it a hundred zillion times before... weird problems with overclocked systems that the owners claim "work fine under any other version, so it must be a kernel bug". You could well be on the edge of where overclocking breaks down. There's some sequence of instructions and/or memory access in the kernel that is causing your particular CPU to croak every billionth time through. Maybe previous kernel compiles didn't emit those exact instructions and you lucked out. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
Anyway, turn off overclokcing and try to reproduce. If this OC'ed report == /dev/null. Nobody will listen. Andre Hedrick The Linux ATA/IDE guy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
Oooh! I'll try this later. Is there any recourse if I have this problem? ie: Recall or anything? Or should I just nab another board? Different vender? I like the BP6 but really don't HAVE to have one since I have 1 IDE device and that. Jason --- Jason Slagle - CCNA - CCDA Network Administrator - Toledo Internet Access - Toledo Ohio - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - WHOIS JS10172 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GE d-- s:+ a-- C++ UL+++ P--- L+++ E- W- N+ o-- K- w--- O M- V PS+ PE+++ Y+ PGP t+ 5 X+ R tv+ b+ DI+ D G e+ h! r++ y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Andre Hedrick wrote: On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Jason Slagle wrote: It worked fine under 2.3.x and as a matter of fact worked fine under 2.4.0-test1-4 I believe. I don't buy a hardware explination when I've been running this setup for well over a year and only just now have problems :) Well let me put some authority into his statement. Pull off your CASE. Enter the BIOS. Wave your hand and fingers over the surface of the mainboard. Watch your voltages move wildly. Now if they are stable and do not change +- 0.01 then you have a stable board. But 95%+ of the people have this problem on the second release of the BP6. FYI, EMF's change with age, as do the effect Z of the LRC circuits. Cheers, Andre Hedrick The Linux ATA/IDE guy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Jason Slagle wrote: It worked fine under 2.3.x and as a matter of fact worked fine under 2.4.0-test1-4 I believe. I don't buy a hardware explination when I've been running this setup for well over a year and only just now have problems :) Well let me put some authority into his statement. Pull off your CASE. Enter the BIOS. Wave your hand and fingers over the surface of the mainboard. Watch your voltages move wildly. Now if they are stable and do not change +- 0.01 then you have a stable board. But 95%+ of the people have this problem on the second release of the BP6. FYI, EMF's change with age, as do the effect Z of the LRC circuits. Cheers, Andre Hedrick The Linux ATA/IDE guy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: 2.4.0-testx fr0kedness?
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Jason Slagle wrote: Oooh! I'll try this later. Is there any recourse if I have this problem? ie: Recall or anything? Or should I just nab another board? Different vender? No recourse. Pig in a POKE, go for it. I like the BP6 but really don't HAVE to have one since I have 1 IDE device and that. Has nothing to do with ATA. We are talking about voltage/power loads on the system. If the ripple is large enough, then the clocking signals will be malformed and improper/mis-phased events will happen. Cheers, Andre Hedrick The Linux ATA/IDE guy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
